Sony is going into next gen in good position
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nial
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You made it seem like no one is going to care about consoles when PC has mods and higher resolutions, when those have never been major factors for people to abandon consoles.
And before you tell me that it's not what you were trying to say, sure, but it's what the wording of your post suggested.
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HRK69
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Fair
I'm not saying everyone should ditch consoles. It's more that for those who value performance and customizability, PC can offer a deeper experience, but that doesn't mean consoles are irrelevant
BlackTron
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Too bad for Microsoft, but what difference does it make to Steam? Gabe loses nothing if you just buy a prebuilt or make better PC to install Steam on instead. In fact, he may well gain something, because they might end up taking a loss on Steam Machines. Steam just keeps doing as well as it always has and if they sell only 1000 machines that's gravy
Without the console Xbox loses its legacy ecosystem, so it does indeed stand to get "dominated".
It made my head hurt trying first to understand what this is trying to say and then the mindset that led to it.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
Simply put, the PC currently has the computing power of a PS7, but where are the games? The graphics generation only changes if the PlayStation changes, so Ubisoft or some other third-party company could make something for PC, but in theory they could do it today, but they don't. I won't give any other explanation besides that.
Hector Hall
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I think Sony has a great plan going forward.
First, multigeneration platform, PS5/Pro users will keep getting most soft because there's no budget that can make games the PS5 can't run even with some downgrades down the path. That way they will keep active users through the roof for their ecosystem.
PS6 will be very modern and flexible and Cerny design will make it punch above its weight. It will be way cheaper than Magnus, cheaper and way more powerful that Steam Machine, and have presence in stores and Amazon, so it will basically steamroll the other two.
Additionally, it will have the handheld.
First, multigeneration platform, PS5/Pro users will keep getting most soft because there's no budget that can make games the PS5 can't run even with some downgrades down the path. That way they will keep active users through the roof for their ecosystem.
PS6 will be very modern and flexible and Cerny design will make it punch above its weight. It will be way cheaper than Magnus, cheaper and way more powerful that Steam Machine, and have presence in stores and Amazon, so it will basically steamroll the other two.
Additionally, it will have the handheld.
Syphon Filter
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The ps5 wasnt good so they arent going into "next gen" any better.
Yoboman
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Because Sony will be willing to take a loss if needed and Valve wont
Their manufacturing at scale capability is also far ahead of Valve. All components will come cheaper
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BlackTron
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You say that the only games with good graphics on PC are third party, yet every title on PC is third party.
True they generally prefer to reach a wider base in a scalable game than limit the audience like Crysis. So Battlefield is playable on PS5 having to choose between res or framerate, or on PC 4k 120 if you have the system.
That isn't controversial, but it doesn't alone prove that PS6 is going to "kill" PC next gen so to speak.
Mobilemofo
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I'm not going back to PC. I've changed my mind on the SteamCube also. It's going to be around 600 - 750 , and I think if rather in vest that money in a Mortal Kombat 2 arcade machine tbh.
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
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Sony will do excellent next gen in the console market. Beyond ps6 no.
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Pejo
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Sony fans are built for (console) war, apparently. Made whole by it. They are a hammer in search of a nail. There can be no peace, no rest. Sony must be the winner, even when nobody else is competing.
When there is nobody to fight, they start twitching and making these types of threads. Why the chip on the shoulder about this kind of thing?
When there is nobody to fight, they start twitching and making these types of threads. Why the chip on the shoulder about this kind of thing?
phant0m
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Sony has never NOT gone into a new gen in a 'good position' - the only exception is probably the end of PS3 gen, where they still lagged behind Xbox in NA.
Fortunately for them, Microsoft fucked up the following generation so badly they still haven't recovered.
FWIW, I would argue Sony is in a weaker position now than at the end of PS4. Low output and not much excitement from SIE studios, PC releases, PS+ getting more greedy..... as a long time PS fanboy, there's not a lot to be excited about for the platform. Obviously they'll be fine but they really need a killer app now that HW gimmicks are basically off the menu.
Fortunately for them, Microsoft fucked up the following generation so badly they still haven't recovered.
FWIW, I would argue Sony is in a weaker position now than at the end of PS4. Low output and not much excitement from SIE studios, PC releases, PS+ getting more greedy..... as a long time PS fanboy, there's not a lot to be excited about for the platform. Obviously they'll be fine but they really need a killer app now that HW gimmicks are basically off the menu.
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Rubim
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Funny enough, game is playable on PC (the leaked build that is).
But im somewhat doubtful that Sony is indeed making more pc ports, i dont think the return on some franchises justify what they're doing with the brand. Console players love console games.
Some games does not translate well to the PC Ecosystem, others, excels, looking at you Hell Divers 2, Baldurs Gate 3, Arc Raiders.
But looking at some multi plat games, Resident Evil 4 (and most Capcom games), seems to sell more on PC. (At least that was true for first half of this year).
I think its safe to assume that Xbox is dead, specially with Steam Machine coming.
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Tobimacoss
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What happens beyond PS6?
Tobimacoss
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geary
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Have you checked lately how top games on PC looks compared with PS? Saying that PS drive the graphics generation is wild.
bitbydeath
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Speak for yourself.
Sony are out of the console war, Microsoft will bring the next war to PC.
Windows vs Steam.
ioo
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Cyberpunkd
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So if price for services does not matter why are you bringing price as your main argument?
Hector Hall
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Wich games? Most people don't see a damm diferrence in static shots.
Hector Hall
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There won't be 8K games anytime soon and with framegen the last tangible advantage will be gone. Good luck selling people they have to pay much more for virtually indistinct games.
Mods is another thing, but I don't know a single person who uses mods or would select their platform of choice because mods.
daninthemix
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Indeed. It's why I make it my business to provoke and troll Sony fanboys for that very reason. I consider it my civic duty.
PS5 has already hit 85 million units. It'll likely hit 100 million next year with GTA6. The next Xbox will be closer to $1000 than $500. The Steam Machine will be a non-factor in the market. Almost all multiplatform games sell the most copies on PS5. They're making more money than they ever have.
If the PS6 is reasonably priced, like under $600, nothing will stop it.
If the PS6 is reasonably priced, like under $600, nothing will stop it.
Trilobit
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And Nintendo Switch 2. People have finite amounts of money and many prefer being able to play Mario and Zelda too.
If we assume that:
- Magnus will cost $1,000 or more
- Steam Deck will be for a niche market
- Nintendo is in a market of its own
So logically, it should be fine for PS6, and even more so if, as rumors suggest, AMD raises its prices and AMD and Nvidia withdraw their mid-range and low-end GPUs from the market.
For the PS5, it should also last until the end of the generation, because of all this.
- Magnus will cost $1,000 or more
- Steam Deck will be for a niche market
- Nintendo is in a market of its own
So logically, it should be fine for PS6, and even more so if, as rumors suggest, AMD raises its prices and AMD and Nvidia withdraw their mid-range and low-end GPUs from the market.
For the PS5, it should also last until the end of the generation, because of all this.
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Ceadeus
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The Steam Deck has been a very fun way to play PC games for years now, so I can see the Steam Machine being equally appealing. Is it a threat to Sony? No. But will it bring something unique and interesting? Yes.
Many of us have been waiting for this kind of device. It's compact, powerful, and jam-packed with features, making it impossible for tech lovers and video-game enthusiasts not to want one.
Many of us have been waiting for this kind of device. It's compact, powerful, and jam-packed with features, making it impossible for tech lovers and video-game enthusiasts not to want one.
Physiognomonics
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This is what many more people will do in the next gen. This is what Sony seem to want: pushing people to Steam ecosystem.I've abandoned the Playstation console ecosystem.
Rebought all the Sony games on PC. I'm still missing Astrobot.
Sony is still in the house, but the Playstation is out.
Cakeboxer
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I don't think many people do that. At least hardly any casuals. For many of them, a PC is a complicated and overpriced device that you'd need three master's degrees to operate, and that you can't even connect to the TV in the living room.
MisterXDTV
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Actually, Sony is in a great position starting tomorrow with the Black Friday deals on PS5/PS5 Pro
Best deal in gaming = huge sales coming
Best deal in gaming = huge sales coming
KungFucius
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I don't think it is that simple. First the overall sale of consoles is down. People jumped ship from Xbox but Sony didn't grow from last gen. Their revenue and profits are higher which is good for them, but they can't keep doing better without adding players.
I think they need to be aggressive and go all in on PC with a PS store and make cross play/ cross buy a thing. And while doing that, get a portable switch like device out there. A portable that plays optimized console games in an ecosystem where you can play PC versions on PCs with XX09s will be appealing to families with gamer moms and dads who like to have the best HW. In other words take a legitimate stab at beating MS who is trying something similar but Sony does it from a position of success while MS does it from a position of extreme incompetence.
The less ballsy approach here would be to stick to closed platforms only. Just have PS6 Consoles, portables and release games on PC years later to suck up a few million. This might work as well. As a father of kids just under 10, I want a portable system with good games on it to compliment the Switch2. If I could buy games on the Sony store and also play them on my PC, that would be where I buy them, not steam or gog. I currently buy all 3rd party games that are not on gamepass for PC. Switch me to the PS ecosystem and win 30% of that spend.
I think they need to be aggressive and go all in on PC with a PS store and make cross play/ cross buy a thing. And while doing that, get a portable switch like device out there. A portable that plays optimized console games in an ecosystem where you can play PC versions on PCs with XX09s will be appealing to families with gamer moms and dads who like to have the best HW. In other words take a legitimate stab at beating MS who is trying something similar but Sony does it from a position of success while MS does it from a position of extreme incompetence.
The less ballsy approach here would be to stick to closed platforms only. Just have PS6 Consoles, portables and release games on PC years later to suck up a few million. This might work as well. As a father of kids just under 10, I want a portable system with good games on it to compliment the Switch2. If I could buy games on the Sony store and also play them on my PC, that would be where I buy them, not steam or gog. I currently buy all 3rd party games that are not on gamepass for PC. Switch me to the PS ecosystem and win 30% of that spend.
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AeonGaidenRaiden
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Well one thing is for sure, I aint buying the PS6 until its been out for 2 years at least. PS5 is the cross gen king, I dont think we even reached 50% of what the PS5 could do which in contrast to PS2/3/4 we were getting the best looking games by now since they completely figured out the HW. No way am I making the mistake of paying day one again. Also Im not gonna buy a PS6 so I cna play a Marvel game as a flex. PS5 Pro still has games that run worse there than on the OG, that is embarrassing.
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Saber
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They are not in a good position.
No way they can move to PS6 and expect people to pay PS5 Pro levels of fortune. Even more so without strong game appeal. People will stop at PS5 because it still a good machine. Theres alot of reasons people jump to PS5, myself included, but it was clearly not because of PS5 gen itself. It was mostly thanks to PS4.
If anything, the only thing they can sell is power and realistic bullcrap. You guys forget easy that even though no one sees them as such, Nintendo is a competitor.
The moment Sony gets full of themselves where do you think their fanbase will move to? Lol, it's just easier to move to Nintendo because at least there you are garanted to play their biggest and best exclusive games(Mario, Zelda, all garanted sucess and fun games), which is the sole reason people play Switch.
How many times Switch have proved that what moves a console is it's exclusives? The Switch hardware itself is a piece of garbage in terms of basically everything, yet it manage to dominate the charts pretty easy. They will try to make this "PS6" portable move and will fail miserably. No one will buy their portables to play bald ugly girlboss or LoU 2 Remake Whatever Edition.
No way they can move to PS6 and expect people to pay PS5 Pro levels of fortune. Even more so without strong game appeal. People will stop at PS5 because it still a good machine. Theres alot of reasons people jump to PS5, myself included, but it was clearly not because of PS5 gen itself. It was mostly thanks to PS4.
If anything, the only thing they can sell is power and realistic bullcrap. You guys forget easy that even though no one sees them as such, Nintendo is a competitor.
The moment Sony gets full of themselves where do you think their fanbase will move to? Lol, it's just easier to move to Nintendo because at least there you are garanted to play their biggest and best exclusive games(Mario, Zelda, all garanted sucess and fun games), which is the sole reason people play Switch.
How many times Switch have proved that what moves a console is it's exclusives? The Switch hardware itself is a piece of garbage in terms of basically everything, yet it manage to dominate the charts pretty easy. They will try to make this "PS6" portable move and will fail miserably. No one will buy their portables to play bald ugly girlboss or LoU 2 Remake Whatever Edition.
Dirk Benedict
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Felessan
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Sony did grew from last gen. They are currently should be at 130-140 mil of users
They do adding players. Iirc 30% of PS5 players are new.
You are mixing sales of PS5 that is slightly slower than PS4 with Playstation userbase.
The dynamics of generations just different - ps3-ps4 migration was rather fast and ps4-ps5 is slow. Sony doesnt lose much on slow migration - PS4 players still buy games and accessories, spend money on subscriptions and mtx.
And... Here it comes, PC bros wishfull thinking
MisterXDTV
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That's why they won't launch the PS6 at PS5 Pro price level, even if they have to delay it until they can
It's unbelievable that people STILL don't get the difference between a "Base" console and a "Pro" console
Sony needs people to buy PS6 to keep its market share. Mid-gen consoles are a completely optional product for enthusiasts
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Saber
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PS6 will be better than PS5 Pro. What price you think they will go with it? Base PS5? They will totally rearrange prices, but in no freaking way it will have the same price as base PS5.
PeteBull
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Imho to be sure how good sony's position gonna be going into next gen we need:
1) Number of sold ps5s in 2027(so after gta6 launch), from that we can guestimate where ps5 will sit when its all said and done- could be only 120m total, could be 150m even- not in 2027, but total).
2) Official specs of ps6(we got credible leaks already but thats far from enough.
3) We simply need more info and actual games, gameplay, not cgi trailers, not "in engine", not cutscenes, but actual gameplay of say 3 ps6 games.
3) Price of the console, and to know if its with discdrive included or digital only.
Those 4 factors will decide if sony's position is decent to extremly good- with so low competition and ps5 being very succesfull we can assume sony's position will be at least decent wortst case scenario
1) Number of sold ps5s in 2027(so after gta6 launch), from that we can guestimate where ps5 will sit when its all said and done- could be only 120m total, could be 150m even- not in 2027, but total).
2) Official specs of ps6(we got credible leaks already but thats far from enough.
3) We simply need more info and actual games, gameplay, not cgi trailers, not "in engine", not cutscenes, but actual gameplay of say 3 ps6 games.
3) Price of the console, and to know if its with discdrive included or digital only.
Those 4 factors will decide if sony's position is decent to extremly good- with so low competition and ps5 being very succesfull we can assume sony's position will be at least decent wortst case scenario
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A thread like this shows up while Nintendo is curb stomping them (as usual), so hard that they're trying to at least regain a little bit of that market share in Japan lowering the price of PS5 while they increase the price of 6 year old hardware everywhere.
They have become too comfortable, it's not Nintendo or Microsoft (lol) who will delete them from the market, its themselves.
They have become too comfortable, it's not Nintendo or Microsoft (lol) who will delete them from the market, its themselves.
NeoIkaruGAF
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It's not controversial at all if you are European. Remove the US from the global numbers and anyone can see that PlayStation never had serious competition since 1996 in any country that isn't Japan. It's in the only country where Xbox ever had a solid presence (for one generation) that people still enjoy this console war delusion like MS was ever a serious competitor to Sony.