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Tesla Cybercab moves closer to completion; Tesla receives patent for radically faster Unboxed 2.0 assembly process
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Mengy
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Hah I've done that too! Freaked my one friend out when I revealed the car had been driving itself for over ten minutes, he didn't believe me at first. Changed his mind big time on Tesla's once he had a ride in my MY, he was blown away. Most people I've taken for rides have walked away feeling the same.
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EternalSunshine1976
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The ChatGTP / iPhone moment is coming for Tesla soon!
EternalSunshine1976
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For me it's become routine, but for everyone else who rides in the car for the first time it's like a shift in reality.
They are so far ahead of everyone else considering their vertical integration, there is almost no second place in the rearview. I feel like once it is accepted, Tesla will become synonymous with self-driving. So much that it will become like the IBM of computers or the Nintendo of game systems.
At some point (5-10 years from now), all other OEMs will come to the realization that Tesla's lead is so substantial and the investment to "catch up" is so enormous that FSD licensing will become the norm. Just like all North America EVs will use Tesla's NACS plugs, they will license FSD because if they don't they will be looked at as dinosaurs. At that point, Tesla will have unprecedented margins, and make money on cars they don't manufacture... very similar to Microsoft and PC manufacturers, all of the margin was in the software.
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falconhoof
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Think of all the pasta they can enjoy now they don't need to waste time focusing on the road.
Mengy
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It's funny because its not so impressive to me as I'm used to FSD performing great. Like I just expect that level of performance from it as its been that good for a long time now.
But yeah to someone not familiar with Tesla FSD I can see how it could be surprising.
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This man still trying to drive into a ditch on snow covered roads for science. He's lucky he didn't have anybody going by behind him when he tried to drive up the hill himself on summer tiers and slid back down it backwards
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Looks like other people are figuring out the secret to a successful self-driving car project is to not use LIDAR
8 cameras, vision-only system
CoreyFlawless
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This, doing that with summer tires is crazy. He like, he wants or trying to cause a problem
falconhoof
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Woman gives birth in Waymo self-driving taxi on way to hospital - National | Globalnews.ca
The new mother was en route to the University of California, San Francisco Medical Center when her baby was born in the back seat of a driverless vehicle.
globalnews.ca
poppabk
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How do they keep the cameras free from salt and snow? My cars backup camera currently look like it has late stage glaucoma.
Trogdor1123
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I can't imagine ever giving up driving to a machine. You can tear my steering wheel out of my cold dead hand. There are few things in the world as amazing as driving a vehicle.
Don't get me wrong, it's impressive tech. I could never give up my driving though.
Don't get me wrong, it's impressive tech. I could never give up my driving though.
poppabk
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Once I can lay down in the back seat and take a nap or play a game etc I am all over this.
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Avid Reading Horse
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I agree with the vision-only approach for driving but will they ever provide radar/lidar so I can integrate them with my weapons systems? It's not always about dodging road debris, it's about making road debris.
"The decision ends a four-year long case remarkable not just in its outcome but that it even made it to trial. Many similar cases against Tesla have been dismissed and, when that didn't happen, settled by the company to avoid the spotlight of a trial.
"This will open the floodgates," said Miguel Custodio, a car crash lawyer not involved in the Tesla case. "It will embolden a lot of people to come to court."
The case also included startling charges by lawyers for the family of the deceased, 22-year-old, Naibel Benavides Leon, and for her injured boyfriend, Dillon Angulo. They claimed Tesla either hid or lost key evidence, including data and video recorded seconds before the accident. Tesla said it made a mistake after being shown the evidence and honestly hadn't thought it was there.
"We finally learned what happened that night, that the car was actually defective," said Benavides' sister, Neima Benavides. "Justice was achieved.""
Two other cases Tesla settled out of of court, one a 15 year old boy who died when model 3 crashed into the back of the car his dad was driving, and another where two died when a model s ran a red light and hit their car.
www.abc.net.au
Tesla settles lawsuits over fatal crashes involving autopilot software
The lawsuits relate to separate crashes in California in 2019, including one that killed a 15-year-old boy.
www.abc.net.au
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And apparently serious issues seeing something even a total drunk could see, rail road crossings with booms down and lights flashing...
www.nbcnews.com
And here we have a tesla that mistakes the shadow of a tree on a road as an obstacle and swerves into the path of a dump truck going the other way....
Tesla's 'self-driving' software fails at train crossings, some car owners warn
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration told NBC News that it had spoken to Tesla about mishaps at train crossings.
www.nbcnews.com
And here we have a tesla that mistakes the shadow of a tree on a road as an obstacle and swerves into the path of a dump truck going the other way....
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They get covered in road salt and grime and then FSD is disabled until you pull over and clean the side and rear sensors off yourself....
poppabk
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Yeah thats not gonna work if I want to take a nap on the back seat. They are gonna need to figure out some kind of cleaning system
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Mengy
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Mengy
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San Francisco had a city wide power outage last night due to a fire, and all of the Waymo's simply froze where they were in the middle of the streets! Without being able to communicate with headquarters the Waymo's couldn't drive at all.
This highlights a stark difference between Waymo and Tesla, because Tesla cars have FSD 100% in the car, they couldn't care less if the city has power or not, they'll still drive just fine.
This highlights a stark difference between Waymo and Tesla, because Tesla cars have FSD 100% in the car, they couldn't care less if the city has power or not, they'll still drive just fine.
Cyberpunkd
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Sp would every car produced since the beginning of time. It's absolutely hilarious techbros couldn't even set up emergency override in case connection went down. Truly bunch of virgin cucks.
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kevboard
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yeah... well, just saw a tweet where a tesla taxi had to be taken over by the safety driver because the rain was too strong and the cameras couldn't see anything...
the issue with Tesla's refusal to add lidar is that without it, they will always stay far behind in terms of the actual capabilities.
having radar, lidar and cameras all contributing to the data the car sees means sun glare, rain or fog are a non-issue.
The robotaxis with Tesla safety drivers in the driver's seat ready to take over anytime fsd shits the bed?
Cyberpunkd
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"Tesla is decades behind Waymo in self driving tech".The robotaxis with Tesla safety drivers in the driver's seat ready to take over anytime fsd shits the bed?
Perhaps, but decades ahead in driving tech.
EternalSunshine1976
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I'm glad that this is the belief out there, because I'm really hoping that the realization of Tesla's real position / readiness is delayed until I get an influx of capital in 2026. Hopefully shares will be affordable until I'm able to invest more. I'll then put everything into Tesla, regardless of how much their stock goes up from today.
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Bold strategy but may want to diversify, vast majority of stock price is built on hopes and dreams of FSD, robotaxi, allowing your tesla to go out and earn money while you dont need it (which was promised years ago). Comes back interior puked on maybe passengers shat in the seats cause why not once safety driver in drivers seat is gone....
EternalSunshine1976
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Agreed it is a bold strategy, and I've held to it since late 2020... through the ups and downs, and to the current position near all time highs. Tesla currently represents about 80% of my portfolio, with it potentially hitting 90% in the coming months, if I get the capital influx that I'm hoping for. I'm not going to diversify other than to take a little bit of Tesla gains and buying growth stocks that I have big convictions in.
Go bold or go home : ) To me, to diversify is to go against my conviction that Tesla will be the most valuable company in the world (surpassing Nvidia) within the next six - eight years. I'm pretty much all in right now, and will be even more by the end of the year.
I drive FSD every day, and that experience has galvanized my belief that Tesla is on another plane than other EV manufactures, autonomous ride share, etc. We're on the cusp of the iPhone moment with Tesla.
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E-Cat
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If you want ordinary results, do ordinary things like indexes. With Tesla, a 10x in five years is possible. What to do depends on your risk tolerance and the kind of returns you're looking for.
Sales are tanking in Europe with exception of France:
US sales were still strong while buyers took advantage of the $7500 ev tax credit which ended in September.
US sales were still strong while buyers took advantage of the $7500 ev tax credit which ended in September.
It certainly had huge growth and investor returns over last 10+ years, but you'd be jumping on the bandwagon fairly late imo.
My apologies I didn't see you already had stock, thought you were jumping in now.
EternalSunshine1976
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To be honest, sales will not matter in a year or so. That said, sales are currently still good / better than all other EV manufacturers other than cheap Chinese manu's.
It is the fact that FSD will become the standard for autonomous driving tech, which all other OEMs will have to adopt to even remain relevant. There is no other manufacturer that is even close to approaching Tesla's current level, and that gap continues to grow by the day. They can't catch up because of how many years back they are, regardless of the amount of money they throw at the problem. The only solution they will have is to come to the realization (however reluctantly) that they have to license Tesla's software and autonomous design. When that happens, Tesla is taking a cut from every single autonomous car that is sold to consumers.
The recurring revenue and licensing revenue will make Tesla share prices go vertical in about a year or two. Remember when Ford was the first OEM to agree to install Tesla plugs in their EV's? About four - five months later, this forced all OEM's (even Toyota) to agree to move over to the Tesla charging standard... and now Tesla Superchargers are ramping faster than the next five to six charging networks combined. Consequently, with their grid scale batteries + supercharger (semi-monopoly) and energy arbitrage, there is a virtuous cycle that is beginning, which cannot be stopped. Their revenue and growth just makes all of their other crazy bets much more feasible, and the crazy moon shots are now looking like synergistic genius.
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E-Cat
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It's all relative. The growth so far came from scaling automotive sales and profits, the robotaxi/Optimus valuation is barely baked in.
Robotaxi hype seems to be the reason for recent bump:
Tesla are still at SAE level 2, Mercedes actually support level 3 in limited conditions, and this was back in 2023....
Mercedes-Benz Drive Pilot: Eyes off the Road, Hands off the Wheel
We try the first production-approved Level 3 driving system.
www.caranddriver.com
Given the recent massive Tesla FSD lawsuits either being lost or settled out of court seems unlikely any other manufacturer is eager to license it anytime soon.
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Unknown Soldier
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FSD blows through three non working traffic lights out of 14...apparently does much worse when there's no car in front that comes to a stop as required by California law.
I guess different tolerance for risk?
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No one stops for anything in California, lights or signs or whatever, so you can tell that FSD was trained there
E-Cat
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Indeed.
But it's still peanuts compared to when robotaxi starts creating meaningful revenue.
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EternalSunshine1976
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Have you read the details of the Mercedes system? It can't be considered a serious autonomous driving system. Here they are:Tesla are still at SAE level 2, Mercedes actually support level 3 in limited conditions, and this was back in 2023....
Mercedes-Benz Drive Pilot: Eyes off the Road, Hands off the Wheel
We try the first production-approved Level 3 driving system.
Given the recent massive Tesla FSD lawsuits either being lost or settled out of court seems unlikely any other manufacturer is eager to license it anytime soon.
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The question is when will it be ready, crash rates for robotaxi so far (with safety drivers ready to take over) over ten times worse than human drivers... and with tiny number of vehicles in operation.....going ahead with removing the safety drivers...bold move that could be very costly in lawsuits.
Tesla reports another Robotaxi crash, even with supervisor as it moves to remove them
Tesla has reported yet another crash involving its Robotaxi fleet in Austin to the NHTSA. The new data keeps the...
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The point is fsd you need to be ready to take over immediately in case of attempted suicide by the car, the Mercedes system doesn't need supervision within those constraints. Ultimately there's other choices on the market and zero hope that they'll all just say oh we'll go with tesla fsd that has to be supervised and exposes us to billions in civil lawsuits.
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