ByWatterson
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"Do you like PS5? How about at double the price?"
Cute that people thought this was the next big deal.
Cute that people thought this was the next big deal.
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Rumor: Czech Retailer Leaks Steam Machine Prices (equivalent of $950 for 512GB and $1070 for 2TB)
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ByWatterson
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BlueManifest
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The frame is more of the big deal than the machine"Do you like PS5? How about at double the price?"
Cute that people thought this was the next big deal.
ByWatterson
Member
I mean it's just a pre-built PC.
Outside of the name, its only appeal was power for an affordable price.
It's comparable to a PS5 in power (maybe slightly less?) at double the cost. Rather than show the value of PC gaming, it's actually harmful to PC appeal since it convincingly demonstrates that console is a much better value proposition.
BlueManifest
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The frame is a portable VR PC, which is also putting steam on arm
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ByWatterson
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No normal person knows what any of that means.
BlueManifest
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They will when they see steam on their phones
ByWatterson
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ZehDon
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So, finger in the air, it'll launch for around USD$800.00 for the 512GB model?
Yeah, DOA. The only hope this had of achieving any kind of market penetration was in being affordable. The Steam Deck lives on its best-in-slot value. In the current economy, USD$800.00 for a gimped gaming PC is not affordable.
Guess they'll try again with the Steam Machines in another 10 years.
Yeah, DOA. The only hope this had of achieving any kind of market penetration was in being affordable. The Steam Deck lives on its best-in-slot value. In the current economy, USD$800.00 for a gimped gaming PC is not affordable.
Guess they'll try again with the Steam Machines in another 10 years.
BlueManifest
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Steam already has market penetration, all of this hardware is more like just Steam accessories not the main event
Accessories aren't needed for survival they are there as options
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ZehDon
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You're correcting a conflation that I didn't make.
If the Steam Machine doesn't sell, they'll be forced to stop making it because Valve's hardware partners maintain minimum orders for manufacturing.
BlueManifest
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Your saying it won't make any market penetration at that price when there's no market penetration to make
ZehDon
Member
Cool, so your position is Valve are intending to sell 0 Steam Machine units. Not only is that demonstrably false, you're deliberately misconstruing entire concepts in order to present it. Why are you even posting this?
Tobimacoss
Member
That would depend on what MS has decided to do. If they have devs build and optimize for the fixed spec Magnus hardware, then the device would be expensive.
But if they unify the full ecosystem with simply the Xbox PC SKU, with optional optimization, being able to scale across hardware, then they could release hardware at various price points, or have OEMs release that hardware.
MS prioritizes Fixed Spec Optimization, that's why the Xbox Play Anywhere exists to connect the two SKUs. Games that scale to PC hardware can break in the future if the dev or publisher disappears.
Regardless, I still think they will have an S tier Magnus SKU.
BlueManifest
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There's hundreds of pc options this is just option 101, they aren't selling for a loss so it's just there, if someone wants a pc that size and they think they can get it cheaper elsewhere then get it instead
Frame is a bigger deal as it's being used to start the steam on arm architecture
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Sorcerer
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MS is only talking about a premium system. They haven't shown their actual hand in this yet. If Xbox has anything to show or talk about, now would have been a perfect time for them to steal some of that thunder back from Valve. If Microsoft's hybrid can launch Steam in addition to other stores, as well as give you access to Xbox games, and come in at the same or better price (doubtful there), guess where people are going to invest?
Note: Valve wins regardless if you buy this hybrid Xbox. LOL!!! (Just not on the hardware end)
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Dirk Benedict
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I'm still waiting to see. People like to launch their takes like a fucking trebuchet. LOL.
I might want to get one for some kind of backup PC. Speaking of which, I backed up everything I have and I still have 15TB left.
Save some more and wait for Magnus.
Russ says Hi.
But... 21% VAT/Sales tax in Czech? Isn't that... a bit too much? WA has it at 6.5%; I pay 10% at Sydney and I already find it a buzzkill. I always know europe's a bit special, but... how do people live with that?
Anyway, $699 seems a very likely target, that's roughly the total price of making a pre-built PC with RTX3060 (which is very similar to Steam Machine's GPU performance wise I recall?). Considering that Valve doesn't have much of a leverage in price negotiations due to limited demand, we are really just paying for a pre-built PC that has a much more compact form factor (and a nice LED strip).
Felessan
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And why Valve should give their money to you?
You properly identified why Valve has no incentive to subsidize hardware - they are good as they are, they have their ecosystem that will flourish regardless of whether steam box exist or not. So why lose money on hardware that gives them ~nothing~ in return? And I expect that Gabe is in no rush to challenge Sony on console field, he still have a lot of PC market to tap into.
People naivety is astonishing - they really think that Gabe or any other big company/corporation are there to run charity for them, give them freebies to make them happy. It ain't work this way.
Soon every low end PC will be 1000$ for quite some time
VitoNotVito
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Those prices include 21% VAT
Do some basic research before starting an angry rant
Do some basic research before starting an angry rant
J Required
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I'm not saying Valve should give anyone free money or act like a charity—no company works that way. I agree with that completely. My point is simply about understanding the strategic thinking, the same way people try to understand why the Steam Deck exists in the first place.
In the Deck's case, the reasoning is clear: leverage, Linux adoption, ecosystem insurance, portability. With a Steam Machine, though, I genuinely don't see the same clear strategic payoff. Is it to message themselves in the console space? To chase the living room? To pressure Microsoft? None of that feels as clean or necessary as what the Deck achieved.
So this isn't entitlement or naivety—it's just questioning whether there's a real strategy there at all.
Bojji
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Better CPU, worse everything else.
But this is pre build pc, not a console.
Russ says Hi.
But... 21% VAT/Sales tax in Czech? Isn't that... a bit too much? WA has it at 6.5%; I pay 10% at Sydney and I already find it a buzzkill. I always know europe's a bit special, but... how do people live with that?
Anyway, $699 seems a very likely target, that's roughly the total price of making a pre-built PC with RTX3060 (which is very similar to Steam Machine's GPU performance wise I recall?). Considering that Valve doesn't have much of a leverage in price negotiations due to limited demand, we are really just paying for a pre-built PC that has a much more compact form factor (and a nice LED strip).
A furry fan in a Magnus-mentioned thread, what are the odds lol. If you've seen the goated 40k content that is TTS, "Why does no one remember I punched out his heart!"
The Space mutt was lucky Magnus didn't literally pull his ship out of space; the only reason Russ even made it alive on the planet was that Magnus was suicidal. He turned the defenses off, letting his sons be caught off guard, and still the furries, even with the Custodes, were getting their asses kicked, and only when the sisters entered the battle did the thousand start losing.
Also in Magnus vs Russ, Magnus was in a terrible state of mind which is incredibly important for a psyker, was powering the ritual and shields to let his sons escape while fighting Russ and was still beating Russ who had the sisters around him watching, when he was about to strike him down his giant wolves saved him, which gave Russ an opening back and even then once Magnus was again about to win the damn god of trickery decided to fuck with fate and Magnus where Russ flailing in pain miraculously managed to land a decisive hit on Magnus's sole eye leading to him reeling and blinded which left him Open to the bane special.
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Hector Hall
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Around 1000 for specs lower than base PS5, without phisical games and to basically play indies and some retro emulators stuff.
No thanks.
No thanks.
BlueManifest
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700 was probably the target 6 months ago before the ram stuff, so now 800 is more likely
Russ says Hi.
But... 21% VAT/Sales tax in Czech? Isn't that... a bit too much? WA has it at 6.5%; I pay 10% at Sydney and I already find it a buzzkill. I always know europe's a bit special, but... how do people live with that?
Anyway, $699 seems a very likely target, that's roughly the total price of making a pre-built PC with RTX3060 (which is very similar to Steam Machine's GPU performance wise I recall?). Considering that Valve doesn't have much of a leverage in price negotiations due to limited demand, we are really just paying for a pre-built PC that has a much more compact form factor (and a nice LED strip).
Senua
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Felessan
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It's quite simple
Valve themselves told it would be priced aound DYI build.
They aim to expand market by making it cheaper and accesible, not console cheap as they don't want/see value going that route, but it cost them nothing at current approach (they made business model flat) to compete with Asus, Alienware and other prebuild providers those charge up to 50%+ for neat prebuild, and DIY is certainly a niche nerdy things that limit market as a whole.
Physiognomonics
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It's expensive because we compare it to PS5 price/power super good balance. PS5 design is just another masterpiece from Cerny.
I predict PS6 price/power balance will also be super good. For now, they don't need games to sell their machines. Just cheap and powerful hardware to decently play multiplatform games. Maybe it's going to be enough for PS6 gen.
I predict PS6 price/power balance will also be super good. For now, they don't need games to sell their machines. Just cheap and powerful hardware to decently play multiplatform games. Maybe it's going to be enough for PS6 gen.
Little Mac
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Some of you need to stop and take a deep breath.
Humdinger
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From what I could glean, it was around the $600 mark, give or take. Some people were hoping for $500, but that was wishful thinking. As the price approached $700 or $800, most people were saying no.
I was originally on board for up to $800, but I'm not so sure anymore. It's not because I can't afford $800 but rather that if I want to get into PC gaming (not sure), and I'm in the $1000 ballpark already, I might as well spend the money to get a more powerful machine.
BlueManifest
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Depends on form factor too if you don't mind huge pc's or if you want a smaller one, smaller pc's usually cost more than big ones for some reason
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not just ps5, like a year after its release you'll get ps6 which will run circles around it and certainly be significantly cheaper too.
and you'll be stuck with this potato.
its pure scam targeting most die-hard of steam fanatics and will bomb accordingly.
i assume even magnus will have much better price/performance value.
asdasdasdbb
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Given that Sony continues to put their games on PC... you could play those.
hououinkyouma00
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The problem is that IMO if Valve wants this to be big it needs to be priced like a console which means $499 or below (I would say $399-499 is the price most people think of when they think of consoles) and Valve said they aren't doing this.
So now it's going to be a niche device but without the benefit the Steam Deck had which was being priced very low so IMO the max the base model can be to be acceptable for a lot of people is $699.
The other problem is that this as I'm sure many others have already mentioned is coming out in 2026 with specs that are similar to the PS5 a device that released 6 years ago and will be replaced in what appears to be 2027 unless it gets delayed.
This is why the price is so important and the product essentially lives or dies by the cost.
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Portugeezer
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He will, but still will be expensive.Yeah but that's for the Europeans, surely Gabe will treat his American brethren better
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Honestly I never wanted a low spec PC. Go big or go home.
Chudah
Neo Member
Now that I have a ballpark figure on this thing, I'm starting to put money aside for it. I already have a somewhat high spec gaming PC in my office. The Steam Box is for when I want to veg on the couch and don't feel like having to run the wires to hook up my PC to the TV to play a game. Or when company comes over and we want to play party games without having to spend the extra cash to re-buy them on consoles just to avoid the wire-jungle hassle. Or when I have one of my nieces and nephews over and I need a game for them to play. Having a built-in library of over 2000 games on my account IS the selling point. If a game performs badly, there will be another one that will play and look fine that I can swap to without having to shell out the extra cash to buy it on console instead (assuming it was even released on console).
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BlueManifest
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And you can build pc's today that run circles around ps6 and Magnus before they are even released. Steam machine is all about ease of use and form factor, just a stronger Steam deck for your tv
And it's still going to be cheaper than 90% of PC's, esp prebuilt mini ones
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lol yeah if you have $5k to spare (and rising), which is the whole point.
it won't save you from great pc exclusives like "shader compilation stutters" too
steam machine is all about selling outdated hw, which is weaker than 5yo consoles for a premium price to idiots, that don't know any better.
BlueManifest
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It's not weaker, and is a lot better than my 10 year old pc, and also will fit on my tv stand
Iced Arcade
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dead at that price because those that interested in a steam and PC gaming already have computers vastly superior and the casual market isn't paying that for a gaming toy. would be left with it being niche novelty purchases.
I also don't believe this leak though
I also don't believe this leak though
BlueManifest
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Also ps6 is most likely coming in 2028 and could easily be delayed to 29 or 30 because of the ram and it's won't be significantly cheaper, 2 years after ps6 there will likely be an updated steam machine too, and it will cost me less overall because I'm not paying for ps plus or live
And then consider there probably won't be any next gen exclusive games for 2-3 years after next gen starts
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asdasdasdbb
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It almost has to be $200-300 more than they had originally anticipated.
(And I'm expecting Sony to raise the PS5's MSRP by $100 at least by the time this comes out)
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