ChuckeRearmed
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It depends. Almost everything in China is on one coast.
With USA, the irony is it becomes stronger without blue cities.
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With USA, the irony is it becomes stronger without blue cities.
All you need to do is blockade China from the sea and it would all be over (for most of them). I'm sure they have large stockpiles but they are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too dependent on imports to survive for long. I'm sure they have contingency plans for seizing as many regional areas of food production as possible the instant the balloon goes up but they are, oddly enough, kinda ringed in like Mordor with mountain ranges and a massive desert defining many of their borders.
Wildebeest
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If their calculation is probably that the Chinese people are willing to put up with a lot more pain and inconvenience than the American public, and that they could do something like get away with paying the price for an action like destroying Taiwan. And that the US would break first. They are probably correct.
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Well, i think their calculation is that the "will of the Chinese people is whatever I tell them it is" so I'm not sure how much that factors in
Wildebeest
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That's right but it is also a lot easier to manage if they have someone else to blame for their suffering.Well, i think their calculation is that the "will of the Chinese people is whatever I tell them it is" so I'm not sure how much that factors in
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ChuckeRearmed
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It seems like the situation with Iran is related to Qatari and Saudi Arabia position. I guess Saudi Arabia does not want the strike. I guess if Iran falls, Saudi Arabia will become isolated as a lot of countries around it are becoming aligned with Israel so SA will lose its position of "authority".
winjer
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Arab countries in the region are not aligned with Israel. They just have normalized relations. So they are not allies.
Saudi Arabia, before the Hamas attacks, was on the verge of normalizing relations with Israel. But they both agree on several things, one of the most important being that Iran's regime is a great threat.
Oh, I've little doubt SA wants Iran to crumble, but just do it in such a way that SA looks good afterwards. It's all about that oil, baby.
Donald mac Ronald
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I'm not talking about USA invading china. It would be impossible to invade and occupy china.
Unknown Soldier
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Saudi Arabia and Iran are enemies. The Saudis would celebrate the fall of the Ayatollah
The rumors are Qatar are protesting the potential attack on Iran through their diplomates but the Qataris are also the ones who have been hosting the exiled Hamas leaders for decades so it's not like they have a lot of pull with the US and Israel anyways
DeepEnigma
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RIP Ayatollah and crew.
LimanimaPT
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"By the regime"?
DeepEnigma
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Who else controls their Islamic state media?
Meicyn
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The way the post reads is that the assassination attempt on Trump was by the Iranian regime. Which is entirely possible, but I don't think I've seen any evidence of that.
Edit: Unless this itself IS the evidence.
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Unknown Soldier
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ChuckeRearmed
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To be fair I don't think Trump cares what is being shown on those local TV channels.
I do find it interesting that in comparison to Maduro or even B2 strike, there seem to be too many leaks and information about the upcoming strike.
DonkeyPunchJr
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From the comments it sounds like this is fake
Unknown Soldier
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Damn, two ships with the same name
Tajaz2426
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Daddy just got a little chubby. Got a ride on her being attached to a MAGTF.
Smoke show is on the move, a whole war on a ship just waiting for the chains and collars to be removed.
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kruis
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All you need to do is blockade China from the sea and it would all be over (for most of them). I'm sure they have large stockpiles but they are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too dependent on imports to survive for long. I'm sure they have contingency plans for seizing as many regional areas of food production as possible the instant the balloon goes up but they are, oddly enough, kinda ringed in like Mordor with mountain ranges and a massive desert defining many of their borders.
Do you really think the US could block China's access to the Pacific Ocean? That's 3800 kilometers ... Utterly impossible to block that.
And besides that, even if the west completely blocked China's access to the Pacific, they could still get goods in from a dozen or so friendly neighboring countries who think the US is a much bigger threat to world peace and their economy than China. This is a really silly idea...
Kenneth Haight
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I remember the build up to Iraq and Afghanistan. I hope this doesn't turn in to one of those, I hope they take the time to plan and decimate the IRGC and Khamenei with precision strikes and then let some sort of democratic process be allowed to happen.
The numbers of protestors killed is shocking and just shows how much the regime are hated by their own people.
Looks like this is all but an inevitability now.
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ChuckeRearmed
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Well to be fair Iran is just too complicated country to have a conclusive ending. Technically killing ayatollah would look like an ending, but another one would took place. And march to the capital is highly unlikely.
I guess another round of bombings. Will it change anything? Hard to tell. Only nuke would make a difference, but they won't use it.
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This needs to be creative. A nuke would kill the people of Iran, not sure how that would help.
Lufthansa already cancelled night flights to and from Israel for this week, mine included
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ChuckeRearmed
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They don't need to strike people - but various bases and installations using smaller tactical nukes. They don't need to nuke the cities themselves using the strategic ones.
Essentially they need to two one of two things - either devaste IRGC so much that the protesters will overwhelm them. Or make it so the remaining elites are forced to go against IRGC as otherwise the losses for them will be worse.
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Tams
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Nuclear wepaons were going to come about whether we liked it or not.
Blaming Oppenheimer and Co. is just plain retarded.
Varteras
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ChuckeRearmed
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I guess some agreement was reached with gulf monarchies if there is no strike today or tomorrow.
efyu_lemonardo
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What does a true conclusion even look like in the middle east?
efyu_lemonardo
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Crossing my fingers the statement is a distraction.
ChuckeRearmed
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I guess indeed something was agreed with Saudi Arabia.
kruis
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Swift and strong it certainly won't be. It'll be a prolonged battle. The US will have to go all out to make a dent. Iran fought a war with Iraq in which between 200,000 and 600,000 soldiers got killed. This was at a time when the US government had very good relations with Saddam Hussein and supported Iraq both financially and militarily. That war lasted eight years.
The "good" news for the US is that Iran's economy is in the shitter because of sanctions, the price of basic food is the main reason why Iranians are protesting. A war with the US is going to make everything much worse for regular Iranians. But an actual war with the US could have the undesired effect that it creates more support for the mullahs instead of weakening it, because now the enemy is not their government but the US. You don't win the hearts and minds of the Iranian people by bombing the shit out of them.
kruis
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If other countries along the Persian Gulf with US bases won't allow US jets on their way to Iran in their air space it's pretty much over.
LimanimaPT
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Sorry, I missunderstood the sentence.
DeepEnigma
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It does read weird though, yeah.
ChuckeRearmed
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To be fair, that war lasted that long because people wanted it to last that long. The Desert Storm took three days in 90s.
I doubt other countries will do that. I think only Saudi Arabia does not want to be involved. I think the next arc will be indeed Turkish + Saudi Arabia alliance. Saudi Arabia has a decent shia presence in the country so I guess they don't want to destabilize themselves there too. Let's see what is going to happen.
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Trump: "They [Iran] said people were shooting at them with guns and they were shooting back and you know, it's one of those things- but they told me that there'll be no executions and so I hope that's true."
Reporter: "Does this mean military action is now off the table against Iran?"
Trump: "We're going to watch and see what the process is but we were given a very good statement by people that are aware of what's going on."
vodka-bull
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SA has no problem with siding with Israel. They caught the rockets coming from Iran last year during the war. Also, SA was part of the abraham accords.
Looks like ther's a lot going on down there right now. I bet a US military strike against the mullahs will happen in the next 24 hours.
Now that the Us has access to venezuelan oil, I don't know what they are waiting for. Blow those fucking mullahs to pieces and install an everlasting peace in that region. Trump would do everyone a favor.
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Meicyn
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Can only imagine the thoughts running through this poor guy's head, being used as a bargaining chip for this totalitarian regime.
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