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Monitoring the situation in Iran
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Anyone ever play the old board game Supremacy?
You could accept bribes from other players to commit, or refrain, from attacks. It was basically RISK on a heady cocktail of steroids, cocaine, amphetamine, and ecstasy
It feels a LOT like that's what is happening now
Romulus
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What we do is sit far away enough to snipe the enemy with bombers and fighters. So if the enemy has something that comes their way, they have to cover many miles of open water and we see them because of multiple arrays of sensors on different ships and ally drones. It's a nightmare to get through. Then an wall of subs underwater. Even if the carriers get hit, modern ones are built in such a way they can take a crazy amount of damage.
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kpopSuperstar
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It's smart to allow the middle-eastern nations to have a say, he can't burn every bridge doing something that won't benefit USA that much.
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Senator Graham: "All the headlines suggesting that our so-called Arab allies have intervened on behalf of Iran to avoid decisive military action by President Trump are beyond disturbing. The ayatollah's regime has American blood on its hands. They are slaughtering people in the streets.
If it is accurate that the Arab response is "action is not necessary against Iran" given this current outrageous slaughter of innocent people, then there will be a dramatic rethinking on my part regarding the nature of the alliances now and in the future."
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ChuckeRearmed
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As long as the internal elites are staying silent, the regime won't be toppled. That's just truth.
His answer is basically means that he was no involved in the talks if they happened. Granted he has a boner on war, so he could not release this time
I guess now everything is in line with what we know
- They were planning to strike that day
- The commanders were not confident that one strike would change anything, would not be decisive
- Trump was contemplating but decided to try it maybe
- Qatar, Saudi etc. released a statement that they would not allow to use their bases and such
- The gulf monarchies (and other groups) offered to mediate or maybe postpone the attack (carrier group did start moving later)
- At the moment of attack, China, Russia etc. and other allies told Iran that they were on their own
- Internally banks collapsed and IRGC affiliates started to move money
- But the attack was delayed or postponed
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Gays were and are always right.
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DeepEnigma
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Dude is a warmonger.
More calculated measures need to be taken, and they will be taken. Not reckless endeavors he's supported his entire career.
Senua
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A very dangerous man indeed. He just comes off as evil.
ChuckeRearmed
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Seems to be fake (2015 photo) from Pakistan
fake.
calico
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Has Snake Graham ever been against a military strike?
Two major problems with unleashing shock & awe on Iran. Firstly it's not clear at all how that leads to the regime spontaneously collapsing. Secondly, once you pull that trigger, there's little reason for the regime to show any restraint at all towards protesters.
Two major problems with unleashing shock & awe on Iran. Firstly it's not clear at all how that leads to the regime spontaneously collapsing. Secondly, once you pull that trigger, there's little reason for the regime to show any restraint at all towards protesters.
ChuckeRearmed
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Dude is constantly erect on regime changing. He could not even help himself during the flight when Cuba and others were mentioned. He was like "YES YES MOAR"
Well then I'll just follow it up with more fake news.....
...this was the shooter of them iranian planes
suck it, ayatollah!
Blue check just means paying a few dollars now.
LordCBH
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If you told Lindsey graham that the penguins in Antarctica were forming a government, he would immediately call for bombs and invasions of Antarctica.
ChuckeRearmed
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It seems like everything is confirmed at this point
Makes sense. This is a totally internal conflict. If our bar for military action is "gov killing its own revolting citizens" then not only should we be bombing A LOT MORE countries, but a couple countries could justify striking ICE in the US (just saying).
Now if there were some juicy military targets we could take offline to tip the scales or decisively cripple the ayatollah, that might be more justifiable. But the more we engage, the more we will have bought the aftermath.
efyu_lemonardo
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Trump should have kept his mouth shut if there was no serious plan behind his words. Now he looks as weak as any previous US president.
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Maybe. Or he just secured 25 billion in investments to the US in exchange. Who knows?
He knows the power of social media, he knows he can go direct to it, and he bypasses the traditional mouthpieces. Plus he wants all the credit, all the time. How much more does Iran panic when they see this on X versus on their little red phone from their diplomats?
DeepEnigma
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When will people realize that he does this because he knows it pisses off the mental patients when he does and causes more engagement? Especially the MSM apparatus that loves to never give him credit for anything, unless something fucks up. But they sure loved glazing the knobs of all the past establishment bomb droppers and major fucker uppers.
That is why he says, "me or I, your president" in the middle of his tweets. And it works. They lose their shit, over and over like an Manchurian Candidate trigger phrase.
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efyu_lemonardo
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From the other gulf states? What makes you think that?
Jinzo Prime
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Perhaps, but...he is moving assets into action and is forcing the regime to the negotiation table. He has also made sure to keep allies in the region and not get us stuck in another quagmire. This is ugly, but it's moderate progress.
The other rich gulf states don't want all out war on their boarders and they don't want pissed off Americans in the Gulf either. I think they will at least attempt to do whats good for business, and having protesters slaughtered on the news is not good for thier negotiations.
With allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll we know about how DJT operates, what makes you think he DIDN'T?
"Please, please don't bomb Iran and make this situation worse for everyone around."
"Ok, what's it worth to you?"
Seems like EXACTLY how that conversation went
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In addition to senior officials in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Oman, and Egypt, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also spoke to President Donald J. Trump on Wednesday and requested that he postpone any plans for an American military attack on Iran, concerned that an attack could lead to a wider regional conflict, worries seemingly shared by Gulf States, a senior U.S. official told the New York Times.
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ChuckeRearmed
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lol at comparing ICE to IRGC
Do you really think that he decided not to strike because the Gulf States told him so? He always makes deals.
It is pretty clear that Iran is living on a borrowed time at this point and other countries are scrambling to find a way to offer an off-ramp to Iran to save some face.
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cormack12
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Honestly, since the attack on Israel I think the Saudi's and co. are fucking useless. It's pretty clear they have no power if they can't even get a ragtag terrorist group to disarm with all their power and influence.
Fuck them I say. And Turkey. And Egypt. Let them suffer the cost of living too if they aren't doing shite.
Fuck them I say. And Turkey. And Egypt. Let them suffer the cost of living too if they aren't doing shite.
Yup. They wail and moan whenever some "great satan" western power comes in to police things, but damned if they can't turn a blind eye to the suffering around them. All those countries are hanging on by a thread, living off the one resource that matters, and struggling to get just one more day in power.
Jinzo Prime
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Well, if everyone, including your closest allies call it off, you don't really have a leg to stand on. This could be Israel saving face for Trump, or hopefully, they have a better plan. Regardless, I honestly think the pressure is real this time and we have assets moving in.
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Bibi could also be compromised with Qatar. His office personal had some unethical connections to that regime. Hard to tell.
Ass of Can Whooping
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near
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The Saudi military isn't exactly great, and I don't see what they could realistically do here without escalating things into a direct war, which would carry serious regional consequences.
Jinzo Prime
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After all he'e done, it would be quite devastating if he put Qatari interests over Israeli ones. I'll choose to believe there is more at play for now. Same with Trump. For now.
ChuckeRearmed
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Is the collapse of Iran is in Israeli interests though? The collapse of Iraq did not serve anybody well really.
DeepEnigma
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More of a reason to liberate the hot Persian kitties.
winjer
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The collapse, no. But a change in government, yes.
Maybe something like a constitutional monarchy, with the return of the Shad, could be something feasible, that most Iranians could get behind.
Forsete
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Jinzo Prime
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Stability is good for everyone in that region. Having a huge country where terror cells and extremeism can spring from is a threat to everyone around there.
Iranians dont actually hate Israel. Before the revolution Israel was a trading partner and sold ACs there I think.
The Shad said he will restore that.
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Senior Iranian official Mohsen Rezaee taunts Trump:
"It brings to mind Hitler's army getting trapped by Russia's winter.
After that defeat, Germany could no longer be saved and half the country was lost.
Iran serves the same purpose today.
The further Trump pushes ahead, the worse his position becomes."
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Jinzo Prime
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Taunting a bull, let's see just how well that goes for you, dog.
Who is Hitler in this scenario????
This guy might wanna go review the tapes on GW1 and GW2 to see what his kinda forces fare against our kinda forces
Smashing Iran to pieces is the easy part (for us). It's rebuilding it into some sort of workable state that's the hard part, and quite frankly, its our Christian kindness that drives us to do that rather than just let the whole place wither and get pillaged by the hyenas that would descend on it.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Its more likely that they see a failing Iranian regime being a far bigger threat to regional neighbours seen as friendly with the US than the US itself. Hence increasing the likelihood of expanding the conflict.
Kenneth Haight
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You can't really compare a handful of isolated incidents to gunning down circa 2500 or more people with automatic weapons. The country has descended into free fall really. Some of the eyewitness accounts are insane, peoples living conditions are beyond the pale in this country so that they can get an atomic weapon.
The ENTIRE countries internet has been switched off for a week. Fuck this country and any country that does that, honestly that is one of the scariest things, that there is no direct communication with anyone really on there. Millions of people.
They chant "death to America" in the parliament for fuck sake, they have been shouting it for 50 years. The Iran problem is not going to go away, it is going to have to be dealt with at some point, one way or another as it is a massive problem in the region and the wider globe.
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The U.S. would need more military firepower in the Middle East both to launch a large-scale strike, protect American forces in the region and allies like Israel should Iran retaliate, the advisers told Trump.
POTUS is expected to order an aircraft carrier, the USS Abraham Lincoln, from the South China Sea to the Middle East.
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Tams
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Mate, a carrier group is on its way.
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