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Monitoring the situation in Iran

EviLore said:
#winning

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"Everything is fine"
 
kruis said:
The US and Israel are not going to win this war through air power alone. Aerial bombing campaigns are the first stage of a war and are always followed by ground war. There doesn't seem to be any sign of that and it would be madness for the US/Israel to do invade Iran by themselves. How are they going to topple the Iranian regime if neither country is willing to put soldiers on Iranian soil?
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Its not about winning a war, its about toppling a regime. This is basically just a 'push' to destabilise the current ruling heads and incentivise regime chance from the greater population. Iran has had a lot of internal conflict recently and the government has been executing civilians en masse; this is basically take out the leadership, put the officials in disarray and see if a new government spawns in its place. Basically while the country is a mess, and if its leadership is trying to cobble itself back together whilst trying to suppress being overthrown, it has less focus on weapons plans and providing resources to allied terrorist networks.

Very unlikely you see boots on the ground.
 
EviLore said:
The rational Arab countries in the region didn't stand with Iran and are on board with regime change behind closed doors--they want to prosper and be part of the modern world, not engage in perpetual self-defeating fundamentalist jihad--so it's a petty grasp at revenge to strike civilian targets in Dubai, Bahrain, etc. Easier targets at this point, as senseless as it is.
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DragoonKain DragoonKain

Doesn't serve any tactical benefit. Soft target since Israel is protected too well, and the Arab states didn't side with them.
 
Iranians celebrating in the streets of Iran and and you have these fat blue-haired nose-ring wearing mentally ill retards on Reddit and BlueSky telling Iranians they had no idea how good they had it under this dictatorship. Just lol.
 
EviLore said:
DragoonKain DragoonKain

Doesn't serve any tactical benefit. Soft target since Israel is protected too well, and the Arab states didn't side with them.
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So basically the military version of a little kid throwing things at the other kids in the playground because his parents told him it's time to go home?

Attacking other countries as a temper tantrum seems like a terrible way to win support.
 
LordCBH said:
Does the Khaleesi get those 72 virgins? If so, I'm manifesting 72 Dylan Mulveyneys and Gorlock the Destroyers for him.
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Most of those types are usually super hypocritical. When your in those parts in the middle east youll see them drinking alcohol and chatting up women and ive even seen one eat bacon 🤣... the whole radical Islam angle is usually a facade for corruption and control
 
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winjer said:
But that was an unintended consequence.
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Funny how a lot of unintended consequences came about from US actions. Osama used to be funded by the USA to fight against the Soviets. Saddam used to be supported by the USA as a deterrent against Iran. ISIS/ISIL was formed from the insurgency borne out of the Iraq War. Gaddafi gave up his nuclear weapons programs, which seems like a win for the deterrent-focused aims of the Iraq war, but he ultimately wound up sodomized and dead for his troubles which taught the rest of the region that giving up your nuclear ambitions is foolish and that nukes is the way to go for self-preservation. Decades of this has led to the region being a mess and a lot of refugees fleeing to Europe, causing more problems there too. Thanks, America.

winjer said:
Besides, ISIS was never on the side of the USA, the free world, or anyone that wasn't a complete fanatical islamist.
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That's irrelevant to the point that the unnecessary war in Iraq pushed over a line of dominoes that eventually led to the formation of ISIS.
 
darrylgorn said:
Israel's violent apartheid lead to retaliation, then to their continued attack on Gaza.

That's why everyone now recognizes Israel as the villain.



Unintended if you can't predict what happens from one moment to the next. But obvious to most people that violence breeds retaliation.

I mean, look, I don't care if the U.S. wants to continue hurting itself. I'm just saying, it's stupid.
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"Violence breeds retaliation" is a trivial slogan. It's as far removed from predicting what happens from one moment to the next as "give peace a chance".

You want to make an actual point, try looking forward rather than backwards in time. How do you get to the peaceful world you wish for?
 
TheAtomicPile said:
Man the pro-Palestine crowd sure runs out of arguments quickly the second they step outside their echo chamber and encounter the slightest bit of resistance, eh?



Would be good news and an impressive achievement for sure.
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Wouldn't matter as they can't be reasoned with. Anyone with more than half a brain, and familiar with history would not be pro-Palestine.

The US (and Israel) have demonstrated they're not to be fucked around with, and it's the only language countries like Russia and China understands (and respects).
 
Rentahamster said:
Funny how a lot of unintended consequences came about from US actions. Osama used to be funded by the USA to fight against the Soviets. Saddam used to be supported by the USA as a deterrent against Iran. ISIS/ISIL was formed from the insurgency borne out of the Iraq War. Gaddafi gave up his nuclear weapons programs, which seems like a win for the deterrent-focused aims of the Iraq war, but he ultimately wound up sodomized and dead for his troubles which taught the rest of the region that giving up your nuclear ambitions is foolish and that nukes is the way to go for self-preservation. Decades of this has led to the region being a mess and a lot of refugees fleeing to Europe, causing more problems there too. Thanks, America.



That's irrelevant to the point that the unnecessary war in Iraq pushed over a line of dominoes that eventually led to the formation of ISIS.
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Alternatively, maybe among the other side in this war are also intelligent actors.
We keep calling everything "unintended consequences", yet Islamism continues to be notoriously difficult to eradicate.
Perhaps the power structures left in place by a global Islamic empire that ruled the world longer than the Western Roman empire and far longer than any modern Western power, are culturally embedded to an extent that makes it not trivial to remove them.
 
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efyu_lemonardo said:
Alternatively, maybe among the other side in this war are also intelligent actors.
We keep calling everything "unintended consequences", yet Islamism continues to be notoriously difficult to eradicate.
Perhaps the power structures left in place by a global Islamic empire that ruled the world longer than Rome and far longer than any modern Western power, are culturally embedded to an extent that makes it not trivial to remove them.
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Through the lens of that worldview, how do you explain Iran in the 60s and 70s?
 
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