Oberstein
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I don't know why people are surprised… It didn't seem to bother anyone when previous presidents did it
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I don't know why people are surprised… It didn't seem to bother anyone when previous presidents did it
0neAnd0nly
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I don't know why people are surprised… It didn't seem to bother anyone when previous presidents did it
Just selective outrage framed a certain way to help those with confirmation bias.
That being said
Hero of Spielberg
seemed genuine that he didn't know it was a USA thing as he is from outside the US. I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt that he honestly didn't know.
Avid Reading Horse
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Ahem, you are being racist.I don't know why people are surprised… It didn't seem to bother anyone when previous presidents did it
Checkmate, chud!
Critical Hit
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To understand, you need facts, not emotions. You have no facts.
calico
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Yes, I said as much. I am saying that who governs the Falklands is of no consequence to the other NATO allies. My argument here (Iran) is the allies are happy to gain the benefit of the objective being achieved, but not willing to share in the risk. With your Falklands example, there was no benefit to the allies, and so any similar implication of sharing the benefit without sharing the risk would make no sense.
The military action did not exactly come out of the blue, and now that it has begun there is no indication the allies (except possibly France) are intending to help other than 'a little back from the front lines'. Helping in a defensive or support capacity is not nothing, but it is in line with President Trump's previous characterisation.
Come On Tars
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Saw this during Maduro and feeling this again.
ZehDon
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This type of performative praying is largely an American phenomenon. Laying on hands elsewhere is done inside Churches or peoples homes and is not done to broadcast it.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yeah it did.
Trump's one is a little more troubling due to fundamentalist actions regarding trying to bring out the Apocalypse in order to call Jesus back and framing this new war in religious terms. Mixing religion and war is hardly ever a great idea.
In addition, Obama's one was done within an actual church, where praying is supposed to occur.
Praying and doing explicit religious activities in a government building is more questionable due to the Constitutional separation of church and state.
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Go_Ly_Dow
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Four arrested in London as part of counter terror investigation relating to Iranpublished at 08:20 Breaking
Four people have been arrested in London as part of a counter-terrorism investigation relating to Iran, the Metropolitan Police say.
Police arrested one Iranian and three dual British-Iranian nationals on suspicion of assisting a foreign intelligence service.
The investigation relates to the suspected surveillance of locations and individuals linked to Jewish communities in London, the Met says.
Searches remain ongoing in Watford, Barnet, and an address in Wembley.
A 40-year-old and a 55-year-old were arrested at addresses in Barnet, a 52-year-old in Watford and a 22-year-old in Harrow.
Six other men aged 29, 39, 42, 49 and two aged 20, were arrested at the same location in Harrow on suspicion of assisting an offender.
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Hero of Spielberg
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Not from the US and hadn't seen this type of thing before. Would certainly raise eyebrows where I'm from if a politician did that!
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Yeah. This feels like a black mirror episode.
I can't believe the White House thought this would be appropriate. Jesus......
MisterFalcon
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The town of Minab where this happened has no naval base, it's 20 kilometers from the coast along a dry river bed since there is a dam further upstream.
I guess this is the US taking over Russia's tactic of putting out multiple contradictory lies.
"There was no strike"
"It was an Iranian missile"
"There was a huge military base"
Gp1
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"The Feb. 28 school strike in Minab, which killed dozens, including children, appears to have been part of an attack on an adjacent naval base in southern Iran, where officials said U.S. forces were operating'
Al Jazeera investigation: Iran girls’ school targeting likely ‘deliberate’
Al Jazeera investigation raises questions over deadliest single attack of war that killed 165 schoolgirls and staff.
"Minab is located in Hormozgan in southeastern Iran, a province of enormous military importance as it directly overlooks the Strait of Hormuz and Gulf waters, making it a key hub for the operations of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) naval forces, NEDSA." (Al Jazeera)
After reading both news, especially the NYT satellite image... (from two news media very aligned with the current government
)You're right.
It's not a Iranian navy base, it's an IRGC navy base. And it's not at the gates of the compound, it's just on the other side of the street because there is no gate. (20m give or take).
Ps. Russia would probably have carpet bombed the entire city with thermobarics and call it a day. On the news conference they would probably blame the global warming.
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MisterFalcon
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I'm sure that naval base was about to launch a massive attack on New York so it had to be bombed immediately during the day when schools are open. No choice really.
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Exclusive-US investigation points to likely US responsibility in Iran school strike, sources say
By Phil Stewart and Idrees Ali March 5 (Reuters) - U.S. military investigators believe it is likely that U.S. forces were responsible for an apparent strike on an Iranian girls' school that killed
March 5 (Reuters) - U.S. military investigators believe it is likely that U.S. forces were responsible for an apparent strike on an Iranian girls' school that killed scores of children on Saturday but have not yet reached a final conclusion or completed their investigation, two U.S. officials told Reuters.
Critical Hit
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kpopSuperstar
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Trump was greatly aided by memes, it unified his base in laughing at the opposition, it was incredibly effective. But you would expect more professional behavior from official sources than this clown trash. War is serious, not meme material. Shameful.
Gp1
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And I'm pretty sure they won't launch anything else, starting last Saturday.
At least now we know from where those famous "groups" of Gaza and Southern Lebanon learned where to put their command centers.
It's not an analysis of nothing. It's a fact.
Firsts because that building probably wasn't a target.
Second if it was deliberately targeted, it was bad Intel.
Third, there will be at least a diligence about it by the military and by the civil society on why it happened. There will be media pressure, there will be popular pressure, even a hard debrief oriented organization like the AF will pressure in a way or another, etc.
Which is exactly how it supposed to be in a democracy and exactly what doesn't happen in autocracies like China, Russia, Iran, etc.
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ThroatPie
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MisterFalcon
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With Hegseth going 'No Stupid Rules Of Engagement' I don't think anything will be done by this administration.
I'm still not seeing this Naval Base across the road on Google Earth. There is a big field with a bunch of container like houising but this is just build the last few years.
I'm still not seeing this Naval Base across the road on Google Earth. There is a big field with a bunch of container like houising but this is just build the last few years.
Windom Earle
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I am seeing an unprecedented amount of propaganda in this war. Vast amounts of paid shills in certain corners of the internet trying to sell this war as justified. Very suspect.
Also fuck Hegseth, what a clown. He is also a Christian Zionist as demonstrated in Tucker's new video:
Also fuck Hegseth, what a clown. He is also a Christian Zionist as demonstrated in Tucker's new video:
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BlackTron
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I had plenty of time to bitch about the "other side of the coin" while they were doing dumb shit to help destabilize America.
Now, I'm looking at you because you're killing the country in real time. Not in ideological opinions over transgender shit, but actively working to destroy America's power, in ways that can't be reversed in 4 years. And we're already in deep with irreversible damage. I live here, so I kinda care.
You tweaked my comment to take on the meaning that if someone calls something a Nazi, that means it is. It hardly ever is, but you should know history so that when it DOES apply, you don't become a useful idiot parroting propaganda. Also I was raised to hate Nazi shit and I didn't suddenly change because Fox News hosts have good hair and wear American flags. Like how you guys will flip based on dear leaders' remarks...like the 2nd amendment is God until a tweet.
People really do treat it like gaming, ignoring and minimizing anything bad about their brand while reframing anything good as the best, most important thing ever.
You mentioned he tariffed the way everyone else does. The way he did was not like everyone else, destroying trust and economic stability by using it as a bullying stick. Going as far as to use it to sanction countries, who did not want us to invade Greenland. Where, by the way, we already have a base and could negotiate whatever we want. The assertion that we have to invade it for national security is a story to support a dictator and from the standard playbook. Needing security from a buffer state was one of Putin's excuses to invade Ukraine. And Ukraine was already deeply resentful and distrustful of Russia. We just threatened it against our own ally, where we already have a base. Imagine if Russia tariffed every country that did not want them to invade Ukraine to "show em who's boss". And then, those countries turned to others for economic security, and balked when Russia asked for military help. Just for pro-Russian bloggers to start joking about those countries. Hard to imagine this or even living it, I know! (Cough, cough)
This was the right time for Iran to act up. Trump is not happy with power if he doesn't get to use it, so the top brass have been trying to keep him occupied on campaigns (better ones than sending the military to American cities, or Greenland). I'd rather discharge this need on a shit regime that mows down people with machine guns in the street. We accomplish two goals, pave the way to a better Iran and take the heat off a world now distrustful of what Trump will do tomorrow; at least, they know the military is busy in Iran, and won't send it to your country (or American city) because you said something wrong and his pp feels small. At least, this month.
Critical Hit
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ClanOfNone
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Beat me to it.
Windom Earle
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ידע זה כוח
Guy with Hebrew tag gets mad at me for linking to Hegseth talking about 3rd temple.
P:axMagellanic
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So the MOD has come out and said the drone that hit Akrotiri wasn't from Iran. So the question is if they know that, then where did it come from?
Lemonparty isn't as gay as this. The fuck are they doing lol.
Lemonparty isn't as gay as this. The fuck are they doing lol.
ChuckeRearmed
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BlackTron
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Make it so no one wants to work with you with constant inflammatory bullshit, then when they flake, say "see, told you I was right all along" while conveniently ignoring all the times they backed you up. I know -it's 4D chess but it didn't work because there's more phases to it, or one of the pawns didn't act the way he was supposed to. So he's still a genius!
Trump always shoots from the hip and goes with his instincts from the entertainment industry first. It creates the illusion of 4D chess due to the unpredictability, and how that affects foreign relations (they stop trusting us and become more independent or cozy to Russia/China, thereby weakening us). It really isn't that complicated but may appear to be 4D chess as a denial mechanism.
calico
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From Hezbollah in Lebanon. Given this is an IRGC terrorist proxy force and the attack was motivated by the current military action against Iran, they are basically just being cute to avoid acknowledging that it was, effectively, an attack by Iran against the UK.
If the UK government acknowledges it as an attack by Iran, but that they still won't join the fight despite this, then the government's current position appears even more cowardly.
Wildebeest
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Seems likely Hezbollah who are already a recognized terrorist group by the UK.
calico
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They (collectively) already did 'flake', and he was right with his characterisation then and it still applies now. This is textbook 'being right all along'.
The reality is the current position of the US is to assume that these allies will 'flake', freeload and avoid risk where possible, and to plan around that accordingly. If they happen to step up at some point, great, that's a bonus, but the US cannot and should not rely upon it.
Again, it is not necessarily fair to every individual member, but it is a fair evaluation of the contribution which can be expected of the NATO allies as a group.
Wildebeest
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In order to flake out there would have to be plans or agreements set out in advance. There is no plan at all for this. It is just vibes, hopes and headlines.
BlackTron
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NATO allies joined NATO so that they would not need individually strong military power, power which could later destabilize the world and create a headache for everyone including us. They should not be expected to contribute as much. Likewise we expect them to be somewhat subservient and have leverage on them, but it's part of the "deal".
They can afford to take on more risk, if they build up more power, which is likely to lead to further problems, for us to be dragged into. That is why the Ukraine problem should have been nipped in the bud. They see we are flaky and not that serious about our commitments -we promised that we'd protect Ukraine if they gave up their nukes. They did, and we abandoned them, while getting bitchy and launching insults at Europe.
America was so strong, because everyone who wanted peace, freedom and prosperity trusted us, and embraced our help, leading to a worldwide umbrella where we had every card. We gave those cards up when we started mirroring the actions of dictators.
Go_Ly_Dow
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I hope so but not sure how accurate that is?
Also just in an hour ago
The UAE's air defence systems intercepted nine ballistic missiles and 109 drones on Friday, the defence ministry says.
The ministry says all nine missiles detected today were destroyed.
Authorities also detected 112 drones. Of these, 109 were intercepted and three fell inside the country.
Since the war started, three people have been killed and 112 have been injured in attacks on the UAE.
The defence ministry says the armed forces are fully prepared to deal with any threats, stressing their readiness to confront any attempt to undermine the country's security and to safeguard its sovereignty, stability and national interests.
Windom Earle
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Need to cook up better false flags to pull NATO into this unprovoked war.
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Jaybe
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Looks like the built this school right in the military complex or adjacent to it. Seems dumb but maybe this is for IRGC families. Putting military operations next to schools and hospitals seems to be their thing, from what we saw with Hamas in Gaza.
poppabk
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But they weren't given an opportunity to share in the risk or come up with ways to mitigate it. Nor do we know what the objective is - is it to free the Iranian people from a despot, prevent Iranian nuclear ambitions, something else - and is what is happening achieving those things? Has the enriched uranium been destroyed, is there an intention to capture it - or is there the possibility that after the dust settles it falls into the hands of a new madman either Iranian or another nation?
Europe is set to have another wave of mass immigration of refugees, are suffering attacks, have had supply lines disrupted, and the Middle East is more destabilized than ever - doesn't seem like they have benefited much so far.
Unknown?
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That's completely stupid in many aspects. It's okay to not agree and not stand but they sat during many times that show they aren't for the American people. You don't stand for agreeing to protect American citizens first? Even if the reasoning is you don't agree with the methods he's using to achieve that, you still are sitting on the basic principle of that and it's the worst possible PR you could portray.
In his first term I also remember them sitting when he said he got 1 million people off of food stamps. How could you not stand for that even if you disputed the numbers?
I think it's petty by Republicans when they do it for things too.
calico
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I am using it in the way it was used by the person I replied to, hence 'flake'.
Oh, for sure
PuppetMaster
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Woof... I don't specifically have an an issue with the contents of the video itself. But the White House account to posting it is a bit distasteful to me.
Jaybe
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Woof... I don't specifically have an an issue with the contents of the video itself. But the White House account to posting it is a bit distasteful to me.
It's par for the course. The White House account posts some of the most embarrassing, cringey junk out there.
Windom Earle
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Woof... I don't specifically have an an issue with the contents of the video itself. But the White House account to posting it is a bit distasteful to me.
Windom Earle
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Of course, I expect both Russia and China to help with intel. There are also musings that China will use this as a welcome testing ground for their weapons. Tbh, why wouldn't they? USA does the same in Ukraine.
Rentahamster
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How do you tell the difference between "I got 1 million people off of food stamps" and "I kicked 1 million people off of the benefits they need to help rebuild their lives and get back on their feet"?
BlackTron
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Take food from one million American people. If you don't stand up, you aren't for the American people.
There are two ways to read everything that Trump says, the PR way meant for the teeming masses and the politics way where you know what game he is playing. It's like the old scene from Family Guy where all Lois needed to gain popularity was keep saying "9/11". Her actual platform had nothing to do with it, so she started shouting 9/11 until she got elected because MURICA. How can you not support her, she's for protecting AMERICA!!!!
I have great respect for American institutions and hold it to a standard. That is why I wouldn't stand. I would stand over petty disagreements between partisan candidates, but not for someone who models and loves dictators. I think to stand for that is un-American, as is defending it. A transparent American Flag wrapper doesn't make shit smell good.
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