Strange how many Europeans now talk like the kind of guy Arnold would heroically blow up with a Harrier jet in True Lies.
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Monitoring the situation in Iran
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Biff
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Interesting. My arm chair analysis: Kharg is defenseless, final chance to surrender or at least agree to re-open Hormuz. The implied threat here is bombing Kharg oil infrastructure to set Iran's economy back decades... But I assume that is just misdirection as the next real step is boots on the ground to secure the Iranian side of Hormuz by force, and leave Kharg oil infrastructure intact for the 'new Regime' (however unlikely) to operate to rebuild Iran under US direction (ala Venezuela).
Tams
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Your myopic view of this is deeply concerning.
I'm not saying this war has been well thought-out beyond the initial attacks, but it needed to happen before theocratic Iran became a nuclear power.
Bojji
Gold Member
Depends on how motivated they are (and nationalistic). Ukraine and English people never hated their governments to the extend Iranians did recently (and how many of them were brutally killed by the government).
Germans thought that Russians would rape and kill them all.
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Forsete
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Correct.
I don't know the percentage which are regime loyal and how many aren't.
Western media makes it out to be many aren't loyal, but what are the real figures?
If most are die hard fanatics they will not surrender.
When looking at former occupied Europe, surprising many are still so called Soviet nostalgic to this day.. Which makes me think XX number of years of brain washing makes most of the Iranian population regime loyal. Then it is probably game over for the current strategy.
If we were to bomb the oil infrastructure it would take millions of barrels of production off the market. I hate to think what that would do to oil prices.
Vestal
Junior Member
I think you got your concerns wrong. You should be concerned by how myopic of a view this administration had of this engagement.
My problems with this engagement are because I am looking at the entire table and not just a corner of it.
Theocracies have no place in modern society. But we can't just carpet bomb one out of existence. You need boots on the ground and a cohesive regional strategy.
JORMBO
Darkness no more
Already up to $3.70 near me this afternoon. It was under $3 before this "excursion".
Light_Crusader25
Banned
Trump just announced that US has bombed military targets on Kharg island. Where 90% of Iran's oil is exported from.
This could all be about oil. First Venezuela, now Iran, next Cuba. Trump is securing US as the main oil controller in the world.
טראמפ בהודעה דרמטית: "הפצצנו באי הנפט של איראן, השמדנו כל מטרה צבאית"
"היהלום שבכתר" הותקף: לראשונה במלחמה, ארה"ב הפציצה את האי חארג' במפרץ הפרסי, שדרכו עוברים 90% מהנפט שטהרן מייצאת. "זו אחת ההפצצות הגדולות בהיסטוריה של המזרח התיכון", אמר טראמפ. "החלטתי לא למחוק את כל תשתיות הנפט באי, אבל אם איראן תסכל תנועה במצר הורמוז אשקול זאת מחדש"www.ynet.co.il
Bingo! Talks about democracy, when the US itself is anything but, are frankly laughable.
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newtypepilot
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Words don't matter anymore.
wtf does US being a democracy has anything to do with this?
Light_Crusader25
Banned
The irony is having a state that has never been democratic try to impose democracy elsewhere...or so it has always claimed...
Hoddi
Member
I mentioned this a few days ago but calls for boycotting elections happened twice just in 2024. First during their parliamentary elections and again when 'The Butcher of Tehran' died in a chopper crash in May.
Iran elections: Record low turnout in polls as hardliners win
Most reformists were barred from the elections, which saw a turnout of only 41% after boycott calls.
www.bbc.com
41% voter turnout according to official figures from the government itself. That suggests to me that the real turnout was even lower than that.
YCoCg
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Cyberpunkd
being permd over politics is a bit sad tbh, what's the point of the threadban feature if staff are going to perm you here, at least link to the posts otherwise it feels a bit reee
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USA is a Republic.
Hoddi
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He was defending attacks on ships from countries that have nothing to do with the issue. I'd say it was pretty warranted.
Blaming the US for Iran attacking people from other countries is just bizarre. Like they're just wild animals and not responsible for their own actions.
rorepmE
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Just a small addition
This was during the Iraq invasion of Kuwait. OBL was alarmed by the prospect of non-Muslim "Crusaders" on Saudi soil which he believed was against Islamic law before Operation Desert Shield. He proposed mobilizing his network of his fighters to the Saudi royal family. He claimed he could prepare a substantial fighting force of mujahideen trained in Afghanistan along with Saudis volunteers. He got a meeting with the King Fadh and Saudi Defense Minister and when asked by the Defense MInister how do they plan on fighting against Saddam's 400K+ thousand professionally trained and recently battle harden troops and chemical weapons? OBL basically said he was going to fight with the faith of Allah.
King Fahd:
Obviously the Saudi government viewed this offer as an unrealistic crackpot idea opting instead for a professional coalition led by the United States. And that set OBL down the path on attacking the US.
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Svalr93
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What do you think terrorism means, do you think it's just '' bad guys bomb something ''?
This is especially ironic too considering the US has been blowing up boats on international waters claiming they're drug boats with zero evidence and broke into North Korea and shot civilian fishers in a botched mission to bug a meeting.
Buddy no legitimate fishing boat out there is running multiple massive outboard motors.
Hero of Spielberg
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rorepmE
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Guy was pretty obtuse, in one ear out the other. When challenged on his absurdity vanishes. Half his post were asinine one liners. Dunning-Kruger Award Winner.
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reinking
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Yes.
Critical Hit
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Why didn't they surrender to the Western Allies then? Russia has never had air superiority without which any war becomes a protracted one. But even that does not rule out the possibility of a guerrilla war if there is an occupation (Iraq, Afghanistan). It all depends entirely on motivation, which is demonstrated not by shouting "Allahu Akbar", but by concrete actions. It remains to be seen whether Khamenei's supporters will be willing to die for their leader (if there is a ground operation and an occupation).
Unknown Soldier
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Sidequest status update
Cuba should just become an insular territory of the US like Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands
The island is right off the coast of Florida and would be a valuable tourism and commercial shipping hub for everything from cruise ships to oil tankers
They should negotiate for guarantees of infrastructure and essential services, job opportunities etc., but yes, would be mutually beneficial.
IlGialloMondadori
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Sanctions on Russian oil. He's winning cash, hand over fist.
Trump's U-turn on Russian oil sanctions is a major coup for Putin
Russia has reportedly been pocketing as much as $150m a day in extra oil revenues as a result of the Iran crisis.
Haint
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Odds of some religious zealot wanting his 10,000 virgins having his hand close enough to the button seems significantly higher than 0.
calico
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Or how wearing a short skirt can lead to being raped?
Critical Hit
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IlGialloMondadori
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Yeah no shit. Hegseth planned to drop some bombs, put on some Nelly, and slam some Bourbon while an intern jerks him off.
rorepmE
Member
First strike? No. They would use it to blackmail the world and it would shield them from regime change and allow them to continue with funding their proxies and being a bleeding wart on the ass of that region.
It'll will be able to sustain the closure of the Strait of Hormuz with a nuclear tripwire where any intervention will be too costly.
It also means Saudi Arabia will obtain nuclear weapons.
calico
Member
Taking Kharg out of action would reduce the global oil supply by 1-2% (so not ideal in the circumstances, but not too significant if it gets lost compared to the strait being closed), but it would effectively end Iran's ability to export oil. Putting a gun to Iran's head and forcing them to decide between opening the strait or losing the ability to export oil themselves is a reasonable option.
The sticking point is China, which takes almost all of Iran's exports and would be mad if it actually lost them, but this does also mean there is an incentive for China to put pressure on Iran to choose opening the strait over losing Kharg.
The sticking point is China, which takes almost all of Iran's exports and would be mad if it actually lost them, but this does also mean there is an incentive for China to put pressure on Iran to choose opening the strait over losing Kharg.
Iran was shipping missiles and ammunition to Russia to kill Ukrainians. This ends that
Gp1
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Already posted?
5 tankers damaged in SA after a missiles attack.
Reuters reported too but referred to WSJ, without conformation.
Considering that it's already under repair (probably on site), It's probably not severe damage, but it's something to keep an eye out.
Nobody kicks ass workout tanker gas.
5 tankers damaged in SA after a missiles attack.
Reuters reported too but referred to WSJ, without conformation.
Considering that it's already under repair (probably on site), It's probably not severe damage, but it's something to keep an eye out.
Nobody kicks ass workout tanker gas.
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MisterFalcon
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Hegseth is pretty much a Twitch streamer now, showing off sick killstreak montages and shit talking how good his CoD clan is.
Critical Hit
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Iran supplied drones for a while, but production was subsequently localized (thanks to China). North Korea supplies the missiles and ammunition, but I'm not sure if it's in significant quantities. Iran has not been a key supplier to Russia for a long time now.
You will notice I did not mention drones.
They've been giving missiles and ammunition to Russia, along with North Korea.
Critical Hit
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I don't know why you didn't mention drones, because that's the only thing the Iranians supplied in significant quantities. You're way off the mark if you think Russia is in any way significantly dependent on Iranian supplies. I'm not sure it's particularly dependent on North Korean supplies right now, either. Artillery has ceded its dominant position to drones.
Reaseru
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Thats's because we now have a lot of them within our borders, and they have supporters here (Europe) to allow them say that kind of shit.
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thefool
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A lot of people don't realize this but europeans news is 24/7 shitting on usa and trump.
Even hard line right wingers have issues publicly supporting anything this administration does, it's that unpopular because of extreme conditioning. It's NK style of press masquerading as democratic and plural.
Even hard line right wingers have issues publicly supporting anything this administration does, it's that unpopular because of extreme conditioning. It's NK style of press masquerading as democratic and plural.
ElFenomeno
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Just don't be critical of US. You can't come to somebody's home and tell their kid is ugly.If anyone values their account its probably for the best to stay away from this thread
thefool
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If anyone values their account its probably for the best to stay away from this thread
I had posts deleted in threads and warnings, there are lines that mods don't want you to cross (and I've disagreed with them, but it's not my board). This thread (and the Epstein files) can be pretty nutty, this thread had a guy posting food markets to try to explain Iran was not a hard theocracy imposing extreme restrictions on their populace (bro they can buy cantaloupe). Now you had people supporting Iran bombing civilians because....Trump is bad? That's just fucking weird, you can probably hate Israel, Trump and USA as much as you want, you can (and imo should) still condemn these Iran tactics.
One of the posts I had deleted (not in this thread) was saying how every worldview these days is influenced by "how do we make Trump look bad". And, to some, if this means supporting terrorists and Iran bombing civilians, they will gladly do it.
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Donald mac Ronald
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The flood of millions of Muslims in Europe has normalised supporting terrorism.
Muslims in the middle east are against terrorism and Iran. Yet western Muslims publically support and make excuses for terrorism. All they care about is that Iran is against Israel because they are obsessed with getting Jews out of the holy land and Palestine.
We are now at a point where the Muslims in the west and their white left wing looney allies who have to support brown people no matter what. Constantly have selective empathy (they ignore all other wars and genocides) and are now in a position to dictate votes. Causing main stream parties to appease them.
Europe is fully cooked. 2050 Muslims will be 15% 2070 30%.
Muslims in the middle east are against terrorism and Iran. Yet western Muslims publically support and make excuses for terrorism. All they care about is that Iran is against Israel because they are obsessed with getting Jews out of the holy land and Palestine.
We are now at a point where the Muslims in the west and their white left wing looney allies who have to support brown people no matter what. Constantly have selective empathy (they ignore all other wars and genocides) and are now in a position to dictate votes. Causing main stream parties to appease them.
Europe is fully cooked. 2050 Muslims will be 15% 2070 30%.
rorepmE
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If anyone values their account its probably for the best to stay away from this thread
Or just don't be a dumbass pretending like you're the smartest guy in the thread but can't even figure out that the majority of Iranians aren't Arabs bur Persians?
"brown Arab brats half way across the..." - Banned Guy
Geopolitics is complex as is, at least get the basic facts right. Especially if one wants to act like an annoying know-it-all.
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