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[EviLore]

They are attacking the ships as a strategy of war not as terrorism. And it's working.

Strange how many Europeans now talk like the kind of guy Arnold would heroically blow up with a Harrier jet in True Lies.

 

[Forsete]

Iran will probably not surrender after a bombing campaign.

Ukraine hasn't.. The UK didn't... Nazi Germany never did.

 

[AJUMP23]

I guess that ends the export from Iran business.

 

[Biff]

Interesting. My arm chair analysis: Kharg is defenseless, final chance to surrender or at least agree to re-open Hormuz. The implied threat here is bombing Kharg oil infrastructure to set Iran's economy back decades... But I assume that is just misdirection as the next real step is boots on the ground to secure the Iranian side of Hormuz by force, and leave Kharg oil infrastructure intact for the 'new Regime' (however unlikely) to operate to rebuild Iran under US direction (ala Venezuela).

 

[Tams]

the hell are you talking about? Did you even bother reading what you were responding to?

Your myopic view of this is deeply concerning.

I'm not saying this war has been well thought-out beyond the initial attacks, but it needed to happen before theocratic Iran became a nuclear power.

 

[Bojji]

Iran will probably not surrender after a bombing campaign.

Ukraine hasn't.. The UK didn't... Nazi Germany never did.

Depends on how motivated they are (and nationalistic). Ukraine and English people never hated their governments to the extend Iranians did recently (and how many of them were brutally killed by the government).

Germans thought that Russians would rape and kill them all.

 

[Forsete]

Depends on how motivated they are (and nationalistic). Ukraine and English people never hated their governments to the extend Iranians did recently (and how many of them were brutally killed by the government).

Germans thought Russians would rape and kill them all.

Correct.

I don't know the percentage which are regime loyal and how many aren't.
Western media makes it out to be many aren't loyal, but what are the real figures?

If most are die hard fanatics they will not surrender.

When looking at former occupied Europe, surprising many are still so called Soviet nostalgic to this day.. Which makes me think XX number of years of brain washing makes most of the Iranian population regime loyal. Then it is probably game over for the current strategy.

 

[Brucey]

Interesting. My arm chair analysis: Kharg is defenseless, final chance to surrender or at least agree to re-open Hormuz. The implied threat here is bombing Kharg oil infrastructure to set Iran's economy back decades... But I assume that is just misdirection as the next real step is boots on the ground to secure the Iranian side of Hormuz by force, and leave Kharg oil infrastructure intact for the 'new Regime' (however unlikely) to operate to rebuild Iran under US direction (ala Venezuela).

If we were to bomb the oil infrastructure it would take millions of barrels of production off the market. I hate to think what that would do to oil prices.

 

[Vestal]

Your myopic view of this is deeply concerning.

I'm not saying this war has been well thought-out beyond the initial attacks, but it needed to happen before theocratic Iran became a nuclear power.

I think you got your concerns wrong. You should be concerned by how myopic of a view this administration had of this engagement.

My problems with this engagement are because I am looking at the entire table and not just a corner of it.

Theocracies have no place in modern society. But we can't just carpet bomb one out of existence. You need boots on the ground and a cohesive regional strategy.

 

[JORMBO]

If we were to bomb the oil infrastructure it would take millions of barrels of production off the market. I hate to think what that would do to oil prices.

Already up to $3.70 near me this afternoon. It was under $3 before this "excursion".

 

[Light_Crusader25]

Trump just announced that US has bombed military targets on Kharg island. Where 90% of Iran's oil is exported from.

This could all be about oil. First Venezuela, now Iran, next Cuba. Trump is securing US as the main oil controller in the world.

טראמפ בהודעה דרמטית: "הפצצנו באי הנפט של איראן, השמדנו כל מטרה צבאית"

"היהלום שבכתר" הותקף: לראשונה במלחמה, ארה"ב הפציצה את האי חארג' במפרץ הפרסי, שדרכו עוברים 90% מהנפט שטהרן מייצאת. "זו אחת ההפצצות הגדולות בהיסטוריה של המזרח התיכון", אמר טראמפ. "החלטתי לא למחוק את כל תשתיות הנפט באי, אבל אם איראן תסכל תנועה במצר הורמוז אשקול זאת מחדש"

www.ynet.co.il

Bingo! Talks about democracy, when the US itself is anything but, are frankly laughable.

 

[newtypepilot]

 

[ADiTAR]

Bingo! Talks about democracy, when the US itself is anything but, are frankly laughable.

Words don't matter anymore.

wtf does US being a democracy has anything to do with this?

 

[Light_Crusader25]

Words don't matter anymore.

wtf does US being a democracy has anything to do with this?

The irony is having a state that has never been democratic try to impose democracy elsewhere...or so it has always claimed...

 

[Kacho]

 

[Hoddi]

Correct.

I don't know the percentage which are regime loyal and how many aren't.
Western media makes it out to be many aren't loyal, but what are the real figures?

If most are die hard fanatics they will not surrender.

When looking at former occupied Europe, surprising many are still so called Soviet nostalgic to this day.. Which makes me think XX number of years of brain washing makes most of the Iranian population regime loyal. Then it is probably game over for the current strategy.

I mentioned this a few days ago but calls for boycotting elections happened twice just in 2024. First during their parliamentary elections and again when 'The Butcher of Tehran' died in a chopper crash in May.

Iran elections: Record low turnout in polls as hardliners win

Most reformists were barred from the elections, which saw a turnout of only 41% after boycott calls.

www.bbc.com

Hardliners have won a majority of the seats in the parliamentary elections in Iran, which saw a record low turnout of 41% after calls for a boycott.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202406304364

At least 60 percent of the 61.5 million eligible voters abstained from voting on Friday, according to official figures. However, many believe the turnout was even lower than reported, possibly as low as 20 percent, suggesting that over 80 percent of voters boycotted the election.

41% voter turnout according to official figures from the government itself. That suggests to me that the real turnout was even lower than that.

 

[YCoCg]

Cyberpunkd being permd over politics is a bit sad tbh, what's the point of the threadban feature if staff are going to perm you here, at least link to the posts otherwise it feels a bit reee

 

[Brucey]

Words don't matter anymore.

wtf does US being a democracy has anything to do with this?

USA is a Republic.

 

[Ipsi]

 

[Hoddi]

Cyberpunkd being permd over politics is a bit sad tbh, what's the point of the threadban feature if staff are going to perm you here, at least link to the posts otherwise it feels a bit reee

He was defending attacks on ships from countries that have nothing to do with the issue. I'd say it was pretty warranted.

Blaming the US for Iran attacking people from other countries is just bizarre. Like they're just wild animals and not responsible for their own actions.

 

[rorepmE]

It was the presence of US troops on the ground in Saudi Arabia and Somalia (invited in by their governments) that got Osama Bin Laden targeting the USA, not the Iraq war.:

https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/osama-bin-laden

"In 1988, after Soviet forces were defeated and withdrew from Afghanistan, bin Laden founded an organization called al Qaeda, or "the Base," to continue the cause of jihad (holy war) through violence and aggression.

Al Qaeda soon began raising money, setting up training camps, and providing military and intelligence instruction in such areas as Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Sudan. Under bin Laden's direction, al Qaeda started launching attacks and bombings in various nations to further its violent aims.

During this time, bin Laden was becoming increasingly hostile to the United States. In particular, he opposed the U.S. military presence in Saudi Arabia and Somalia and sought to drive our nation's personnel out of these areas by force.

After centering his operations in Sudan in the early 1990s, bin Laden began formulating plans to attack the West with an evolving, deadly new brand of jihad.

Bin Laden and other members of al Qaeda also began issuing fatwas—rulings on Islamic law—indicating that attacks on the U.S. and its citizens were both proper and necessary. Bin Laden later openly declared war on the United States."

Just a small addition

This was during the Iraq invasion of Kuwait. OBL was alarmed by the prospect of non-Muslim "Crusaders" on Saudi soil which he believed was against Islamic law before Operation Desert Shield. He proposed mobilizing his network of his fighters to the Saudi royal family. He claimed he could prepare a substantial fighting force of mujahideen trained in Afghanistan along with Saudis volunteers. He got a meeting with the King Fadh and Saudi Defense Minister and when asked by the Defense MInister how do they plan on fighting against Saddam's 400K+ thousand professionally trained and recently battle harden troops and chemical weapons? OBL basically said he was going to fight with the faith of Allah.

King Fahd:

Obviously the Saudi government viewed this offer as an unrealistic crackpot idea opting instead for a professional coalition led by the United States. And that set OBL down the path on attacking the US.

 

[Svalr93]

Strange how many Europeans now talk like the kind of guy Arnold would heroically blow up with a Harrier jet in True Lies.

What do you think terrorism means, do you think it's just '' bad guys bomb something ''?
This is especially ironic too considering the US has been blowing up boats on international waters claiming they're drug boats with zero evidence and broke into North Korea and shot civilian fishers in a botched mission to bug a meeting.

 

[Brucey]

What do you think terrorism means, do you think it's just '' bad guys bomb something ''?
This is especially ironic too considering the US has been blowing up boats on international waters claiming they're drug boats with zero evidence and broke into North Korea and shot civilian fishers in a botched mission to bug a meeting.

Buddy no legitimate fishing boat out there is running multiple massive outboard motors.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

Buddy no legitimate fishing boat out there is running multiple massive outboard motors.

 

[rorepmE]

Cyberpunkd being permd over politics is a bit sad tbh, what's the point of the threadban feature if staff are going to perm you here, at least link to the posts otherwise it feels a bit reee

Guy was pretty obtuse, in one ear out the other. When challenged on his absurdity vanishes. Half his post were asinine one liners. Dunning-Kruger Award Winner.