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[Darius87]

"blocakde of hormuz straight starts to affect semiconductor, medical image diagnosis, some agriculture fields and other industries, scientists warns that humanity soon would encounter with very hard difficulties, that humanity hasn't prepared."
that's my morning news, thanks Donald.

 

[Zathalus]

It seems unlikely the war can be won from the air. If the definition of "won" is a regime change to something that is friendly to US interests (democracy optional). A ground invasion is probably needed, and while there is very little doubt the USA can win, it is also very likely a war would result in thousands, if not tens of thousands of US casualties.

I'm wondering what the endgame is here? Full invasion seems unlikely does it not? Regime change without one also seems extremely unlikely as well. Just kill a bunch of people and hope from concessions from Iran? What would satisfy a ceasefire?

 

[MisterFalcon]

Hegseth's latest press conference has set the stage: It's all Biden's fault for sending weapons to Ukraine, otherwise this war on Iran would have been won easily.

 

[Warspite]

Hegseth's latest press conference has set the stage: It's all Biden's fault for sending weapons to Ukraine, otherwise this war on Iran would have been won easily.

The dozen or so 30 year old ATAMCS missiles and 40 year old F-16 Ukraine got would have Iran surrendering in the first hours of strikes.

 

[MisterFalcon]

"Every challenge we have, sent to Ukraine."
Not enough Tomahawks - sent to Ukraine
Not enough aircraft carriers - sent to Ukraine
Not enough Marine Expeditionary Units - sent to Ukraine

At least this gives the administration some way out while not admitting how badly they fucked up.

 

[winjer]

"Every challenge we have, sent to Ukraine."
Not enough Tomahawks - sent to Ukraine
Not enough aircraft carriers - sent to Ukraine
Not enough Marine Expeditionary Units - sent to Ukraine

At least this gives the administration some way out while not admitting how badly they fucked up.

Of course the Trump administration is going to try to put the blame on other people for their own fuck up.
How long until they blame the EU and China as well....

 

[Bojji]

Hegseth's latest press conference has set the stage: It's all Biden's fault for sending weapons to Ukraine, otherwise this war on Iran would have been won easily.

Hegseth:

 

[Hypnotoad]

Of course it's all because Greenland hasn't been gifted to the US by Iceland yet.

 

[Lord Panda]

The US Administration has Zelenksyy Derangement Syndrome.

 

[Clear]

"blocakde of hormuz straight starts to affect semiconductor, medical image diagnosis, some agriculture fields and other industries, scientists warns that humanity soon would encounter with very hard difficulties, that humanity hasn't prepared."
that's my morning news, thanks Donald.

Maybe the problem was always that a mad theocracy had control of this crucial choke-point ?

Maybe if the West hadn't allowed itself to become so dependent upon being in the good graces of some of the world's least pleasant regimes, we wouldn't be here in the first place ?

But, oh wait, we need to deindustrialize and shift to unreliable, economically disastrous renewables for our managerial elites to have a feel-good glow that they were "saving the planet" at their cocktail parties... FML.

 

[BlackTron]

Honestly, I like the rawness of his comments.

All these slimey politicians hiding behind niceties and trying to push their incompetences, failures, and abuses under the rug. Usually it 'works' in the sense no one talks about those issues.

And Trump just says the simple truth to their faces.

I woke up this morning laughing at my dreamed up version of events where he invoked Hiroshima instead of Pearl Harbor to make the same point. I will admit, it could be worse

 

[Bojji]

Maybe the problem was always that a mad theocracy had control of this crucial choke-point ?

Maybe if the West hadn't allowed itself to become so dependent upon being in the good graces of some of the world's least pleasant regimes, we wouldn't be here in the first place ?

But, oh wait, we need to deindustrialize and shift to unreliable, economically disastrous renewables for our managerial elites to have a feel-good glow that they were "saving the planet" at their cocktail parties... FML.

I don't get why something crucial like oil extraction should be left in the hands of religious fanatics. Colonialism should never end in this region.

Money they got selling oil was also used to finance terrorists across the globe...

 

[Major Insano]

UK is broke. If you want the UK to run a big navy like its 1910 then someone has to pay for it and isn't going to be Churchill's ghost.

We could run a decent navy on the £billions we've already sent to Ukraine.

 

[winjer]

The US Administration has Zelenksyy Derangement Syndrome.

Because there are several members on that administration working for Russia, that are feeding Trump anti Ukraine and anti West propaganda.

 

[Bojji]

We could run a decent navy on the £billions we've already sent to Ukraine.

That money would be gone in Pentagon, why do you think they can't pass any financial audit?

 

[Warspite]

It doesn't matter what side you come down on, its not a strong/confident look.

 

[winjer]

We could run a decent navy on the £billions we've already sent to Ukraine.

That is just nonsense. Most of what the USA sent to the Ukraine was surplus equipment, often ready to be decommissioned.
The value you see touted is just the original price of that equipment when it was new, to pretend it was worth more. But in reality, it was worth nothing to the USA.
Stop being a dumbass, spreadin Russian propaganda.

 

[StueyDuck]

It seems unlikely the war can be won from the air. If the definition of "won" is a regime change to something that is friendly to US interests (democracy optional). A ground invasion is probably needed, and while there is very little doubt the USA can win, it is also very likely a war would result in thousands, if not tens of thousands of US casualties.

I'm wondering what the endgame is here? Full invasion seems unlikely does it not? Regime change without one also seems extremely unlikely as well. Just kill a bunch of people and hope from concessions from Iran? What would satisfy a ceasefire?

Air superiority is a huge win. If they can get Control of the sea, then they will win purely through control.

It depends on what "win" is; is it killing literally every single IRGC member? Then no, that can't be achieved without a literal Gestappo-like ground police-force presence hunting them down.

But if the goal is to get the IRGC to either surrender, negotiate or have a full regime change, that can absolutely happen by controlling air, land (borders, trade) and sea.

 

[winjer]

"Every challenge we have, sent to Ukraine."
Not enough Tomahawks - sent to Ukraine
Not enough aircraft carriers - sent to Ukraine
Not enough Marine Expeditionary Units - sent to Ukraine

At least this gives the administration some way out while not admitting how badly they fucked up.

The worst part is that the main reason why Iran is able to threaten ships in the straight of Ormuz and threaten US troops and assets from neighboring Arab countries, is because Russia is sharing targeting data.
Without Russia showing Iran exactly where the ships are in the straight, with satellite data, Iran would have greater difficulty in targeting ships.

 

[Warspite]

Prepping for troops maybe?

 

[Major Insano]

That is just nonsense. Most of what the USA sent to the Ukraine was surplus equipment, often ready to be decommissioned.
The value you see touted is just the original price of that equipment when it was new, to pretend it was worth more. But in reality, it was worth nothing to the USA.
Stop being a dumbass, spreadin Russian propaganda.

I'm talking about the UK not USA.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

If the actresses are hot then hell yes!

Why? do you really go "oh holy shit what a hot women" when you see a sex scene?

 

[LordCBH]

Some of the very same people cheered on the closing of the Keystone Pipeline. Fascinating behavior.

Yep. This country has an insane wealth of oil, yet my prices by my house are almost at $4 for regular now. Weve had many outright failures and self sabotaged well before this past decade. If this country had been doing what it should've done for decades, none of us would be paying out the ass for fuel right now.

 

[winjer]

I'm talking about the UK not USA.

The problems with the UK navy and army, precede the Ukrainian war by a lot.
These problems didn't just magically appear in 2021.
The other thing you forget is that Russia is a self declared enemy of the UK. The UK helping Ukraine protect itself, is helping the UK.
But the same that happens with the USA, also happens with the UK and EU. Most of the equipment sent was old. A lot was surplus.
Somehow you are too naive to believe in Russian propaganda. As if sending some old tanks would have made the UK navy great again, by some magical effect.

 

[Herbspiceguy]

Increasing escalation on energy targets feels like a war of the 1% against us.

 

[squallheart]

One big plus apart from freeing the iranian people is thanks to this escalation I'm making bank. My company just approved alot of OT due to the large amount of orders from the government.

 

[Wildebeest]

We could run a decent navy on the £billions we've already sent to Ukraine.

I'm no expert but maybe with the military spending there Boris could have commissioned 5 destroyers which probably wouldn't be ready yet. The investment in Ukraine is very high value in comparison.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

"Every challenge we have, sent to Ukraine."
Not enough Tomahawks - sent to Ukraine
Not enough aircraft carriers - sent to Ukraine
Not enough Marine Expeditionary Units - sent to Ukraine

At least this gives the administration some way out while not admitting how badly they fucked up.

The issue is not sending equipment per se, but the fact nothing was done to accelerate the production of newer stuff. Like "oh well let's give it away and some time in the future newer equipment will come". Even during Afghanistan war it was discovered that USA cannot handle multiple fronts at once. Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan. I think even Houthis caused trouble due to lack of interceptors. The bunch of programs that took years and years to produce the result has always been an issue.

It is a similar issue like Biden's release of SPR before the midterms but then not bothering to replenish it when the prices were lower, while also blocking the refill in the Congress. Or like Germany closing their nuclear stations and then encountering problems when the had issue with gas supply and stuff. In that regards China has done it much better - instead of doing the western play of "let's block oil but more wind farms etc, let's close coal stations" they are just trying to produce as much energy as possible using various sources - sun, wind, nuclear, coal.

Prepping for troops maybe?

Is there anything that can replace A10 at this point? Feels like this guy has been around since forever.

 

[EviLore]

 

[Wildebeest]

The US Administration has Zelenksyy Derangement Syndrome.

What they are saying is that the US has no cards because Zelensky has all the cards. Very sad.

 

[adamsapple]

The US Administration has Zelenksyy Derangement Syndrome.

Did he even say thank you?

 

[P:axMagellanic]

Typical energy bill forecast to rise by £332 a year in July

Cornwall Insight says the recent surge in energy prices due to the Iran war is set to push up household bills.

www.bbc.co.uk

£332 a year extra, and this is just the start.

Holy shit.

 

[Auto_aim1]

Are they going to get the $200 billion they requested?

 

[EviLore]

terroristic threats against civilians worldwide, shocking news

 

[DeafTourette]

Japanese X identified the reporter as Chijiwa Morio of Asahi TV
For those who don't know, Asahi is liberal/leftist

Sankei, Yomiuri = Right Wing, Moderate Center-right
Asahi, Mainichi = Left/liberal progressive, Moderate Center-left

Sankei Shimbun > Fuji TV
Yomiuri Shimbun > Nippon TV
Asahi Shimbun > Asahi TV
Mainichi Shimbun > TBS (Tokyo Broadcasting System)

What does that have to do with anything? Did Trump say what he said in response to the question or not?

 

[BlackTron]

Of course the Trump administration is going to try to put the blame on other people for their own fuck up.
How long until they blame the EU and China as well....

It's just a textbook narcissistic relationship where I'm always right and anything I ever do wrong is your fault.

Yawwwwn, nothing surprising here. Anyone who has dealt with this kind of dynamic with people in their own lives knows exactly how they will behave, to the extent it's boring. You already know the whole script, like clockwork.

 

[winjer]

terroristic threats against civilians worldwide, shocking news

Fucking cowards are always attacking civilians. Be it their own civilians, or people in other countries.
They never try to fight with the most basic of honor and ethics. To fight directly against other military.

 

[EviLore]

 

[DeepEnigma]

Not nearly enough.

Every president since Carter took the "war on drugs" to the American black man.

This is the first time we are seeing it brought to the actual source. And they're whining, because of course they are.

 

[Sybrix]

This is what we've been practicing for boys.

 

[Sonik]

"Every challenge we have, sent to Ukraine."
Not enough Tomahawks - sent to Ukraine
Not enough aircraft carriers - sent to Ukraine
Not enough Marine Expeditionary Units - sent to Ukraine

At least this gives the administration some way out while not admitting how badly they fucked up.

Wait, so let's assume the Biden admin did fuck up this badly, why did they start this war if things were that bad? Wasn't it their responsibility to be prepared for the war before committing to it since, you know, they're the ones starting it?

 

[DeafTourette]

So... Pete Hegseth says the parents of the soldiers that were killed told him to keep fighting and finish this...

Only one of the victims parents said they never said anything like that.

Disgusting of Hegseth!

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Thing is though, any troops on the Island will surely be sitting ducks for Iran's remaining missile and drones (I imagine they still have a fair number of the latter).

Even if you don't put any troops there until they are weakened further, it could still be a bloodbath.

 

[BlackTron]

So... Pete Hegseth says the parents of the soldiers that were killed told him to keep fighting and finish this...

Only one of the victims parents said they never said anything like that.

Disgusting of Hegseth!

Maybe the DOJ can investigate all the families who didn't say it.

 

[winjer]

Thing is though, any troops on the Island will surely be sitting ducks for Iran's remaining missile and drones (I imagine they still have a fair number of the latter).

Even if you don't put any troops there until they are weakened further, it could still be a bloodbath.

Not to mention that Kharg island is extremely important for Iran's oil and gas. Without it the country loses it's main source of income.
And it would affect the population of Iran hard, not just the Islamic Regime. Meaning the US would make the life's of the Iranian people even worse.
And of course, global oil and gas prices would rise even further.

 

[BlackTron]

Wait, so let's assume the Biden admin did fuck up this badly, why did they start this war if things were that bad? Wasn't it their responsibility to be prepared for the war before committing to it since, you know, they're the ones starting it?

 

[pepeno]

I'm no expert but maybe with the military spending there Boris could have commissioned 5 destroyers which probably wouldn't be ready yet. The investment in Ukraine is very high value in comparison.

The problem isn't military spending. It's whole logistic chain that stopped existing around 2000 in many countries as they started to offshore most of heavy industries. I live in Poland and we are in middle of massive procurement of arms and we experience first hand how logistics chains and production looks like

Europe deindustrialized and armies kept only bare minimum on IFV. So now that you need it you can't scale it up because there is nothing to scale up anymore. You need to literally build from ground up even design let alone mass production.

Take for example F35 spare parts. IT's not like it used to where with every plane you get spare parts for it. Now you are in logistic international chain and when you plane has fuse shot you make a request and that part comes to you from abroad. JIT repairs literally. That works well in peace time but during a war ?

Russia is in years at war with Ukraine and Europe wasn't even able to scale up production of 155mm amunition to artilery let alone something more complicated. US isn't any better. Stingers and Javelins production used in Ukraine requires something like 15 years to restock at current production rates and those are fairly simple systems.

Point is that whole logistic chains got so long that even for huge country like US with nearly infinite money it's impossible to scale up production at whim without waiting for decades on anything.

Good example of this is whole latest US military rifle fiasco. The rifle was deigned to engage targets at 800 yards range (vs standard 500) because at the time of fighting in iraq war troops were shot at from those distances and they didn't have good answer. Whole thing lasted nearly a decade and now it got invalidated by drones in that time. Right now some iranian kid can take FPV drone and deliver granade directly into group of soldiers killing few and maiming others while sitting secured in his hiding.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[LordCBH]

Did he even say thank you?

Didn't even hear a pwease

 

[Jaybe]

terroristic threats against civilians worldwide, shocking news

One of the many reasons these fuckers need exterminated