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Monitoring the situation in Iran

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I'm still thinking that this is more likely than Kharg's island invasion



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Shit begin to hit the fan again
 
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DonkeyPunchJr said:
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I don't even understand what this means anymore. Iran is letting Chinese, Indian, and Pakistani ships pass the Strait if they pay the $2 million security fee.

I guess they may as well also claim these as a gift to America to try and double-side the trade? lmao

Trump even talking about this shit looks retarded. He really should stop mentioning it. I understand it's probably a diversion to make it look like relations are getting better before landing troops, but it just completely destroys his credibility in the meantime.
 
My take is US/Israeli strategists probably expected everything Iran has done, but disastrously miscalculated NATO, EU, and Middle Eastern cowardice and Trump Derangement Syndrome. I strongly suspect US/Israel expected large scale deployments (if only symbolic bluster, glorified training drills) from EU and ME countries in response to Iran targeting civilian hotels/airports/water plants and terrorizing/closing the strait. The hope being a world alliance likely would have forced Iran into quick negotiations, deep concessions, and increased odds an internal uprising toppling the regime. Instead US "allies" sent strongly worded letters condemning US/Israel defacto supporting Iran and emboldening them.
 
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Targeting a water desalination plant is quite the escalation by Iran

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Haint said:
My take is US/Israeli strategists probably expected everything Iran has done, but disastrously miscalculated NATO, EU, and Middle Eastern cowardice and Trump Derangement Syndrome. I strongly suspect US/Israel expected large scale deployments (if only symbolic bluster, glorified training drills) from EU and ME countries in response to Iran targeting civilian hotels/airports/water plants and terrorizing/closing the strait. The hope being a world alliance likely would have forced Iran into quick negotiations, deep concessions, and increased odds an internal uprising toppling the regime. Instead US "allies" sent strongly worded letters condemning US/Israel defacto supporting Iran and emboldening them.
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Trump burns all bridges. Then wonders why he has no international support.
 
OLED_Gamer said:
Trump burns all bridges. Then wonders why he has no international support.
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Textbook definition of cutting off the nose to spite the face. Iranian nukes pose a much more realistic threat to the EU as they're much closer and easier targets within range of Iranian ballistics. They're also simultaneously much more impacted by rising oil prices from terroristic threats in the strait. A modernized non-authoritarian Iran would be hugely beneficial for EU and everyone pretty much accepts they're secretly thanking Trump.
 
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11yr old boy soldier? 5th grader... IRGC should really be ashamed, and abolished. It's not about who attacked who or whatnot - you don't put children in the frontline, period.
 
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Haint said:
Textbook definition of cutting off the nose to spite the face. Iranian nukes pose a much more realistic threat to the EU as they're much closer and easier targets within range of Iranian ballistics. They're also simultaneously much more impacted by rising oil prices from terroristic threats in the strait. A modernized non-authoritarian Iran would be hugely beneficial for EU and everyone pretty much accepts they're secretly thanking Trump.
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"Europe must defend itself" - Trump
"I'm taking Greenland, by force if needed" - Trump
"I'm attacking Iran to protect Europe" - Trump
"The Strait of Hormuz will be closed for months to counter the threat of Iran closing the Strait of Hormuz" - Trump
"Everyone is secretly thanking me" - Trump
 
OLED_Gamer said:
Trump burns all bridges. Then wonders why he has no international support.
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Shouldn't we expect better from our leaders than TDS?

I thought the adults were in the room.

And that's not taking into account that removing Iran as a threat to all our economies should be a top priority. Diplomacy didn't work for decades and now that inaction is bearing bitter fruit.
 
Haint said:
Textbook definition of cutting off the nose to spite the face. Iranian nukes pose a much more realistic threat to the EU as they're much closer and easier targets within range of Iranian ballistics. They're also simultaneously much more impacted by rising oil prices from terroristic threats in the strait. A modernized non-authoritarian Iran would be hugely beneficial for EU and everyone pretty much accepts they're secretly thanking Trump.
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I m European , and no, we are NOT THANKING Trump: this admin is INSANE and we had enough, you(american) replaced Joe Biden for one with 7 bankruptcy LMAO
 
MisterFalcon said:
"Europe must defend itself" - Trump
"I'm taking Greenland, by force if needed" - Trump
"I'm attacking Iran to protect Europe" - Trump
"The Strait of Hormuz will be closed for months to counter the threat of Iran closing the Strait of Hormuz" - Trump
"Everyone is secretly thanking me" - Trump
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How exactly does a bunch of Drump Bozo quotes change the fact that an Iran without nukes and greatly diminished missile capabilities is vastly preferred by the EU, or that a non-authoritarian unsanctioned Iran government would be massively beneficial for EU oil/energy supply/prices? You can simultaneously hate Trump while also admitting this particular antic would be huge boon and net positive for the EU, and would be considerably in their best interest to support him.

Vr46 said:
I m European , and no, we are NOT THANKING Trump: this admin is INSANE and we had enough, you(american) replaced Joe Biden for one with 7 bankruptcy LMAO
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You realize that a more modern/democratic unsanctioned Iran would lower your energy prices tremendously, in addition to thwarting a group of religious zealots having nukes and long range missiles trained on your major metros who believe their reward for turning you into soup is 1000 virgins? And FWIW I was referring to your leaders who are briefed on the threats and understand the geopolitical implications of it.
 
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Haint said:
How exactly does a bunch of Drump Bozo quotes change the fact that an Iran without nukes and greatly diminished missile capabilities is vastly preferred by the EU, or that a non-authoritarian unsanctioned Iran government would be massively beneficial for EU oil/energy prices? You can simultaneously hate Trump while also admitting this particular antic would be huge boon and net positive for the EU, and would be considerably in their best interest to to support him.



You realize that a more modern/democratic unsanctioned Iran would lower your energy prices tremendously, in addition to thwarting a group of religious zealots having nukes and long range missiles trained on your major metros who believe their reward for turning you into soup is 1000 virgins?
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do you realize that usa is not changing regime without troops on the ground? why would eu/nato would get into this mess knowing that?
 
People here taking a "Europe is at fault" position are completely delusional—and I can only reiterate that I hold most Western European leaders in contempt, but that's beside the point. Apart from all the verbal abuse and threats aimed at NATO and the EU, the US has already cut off most modes of communication with its allies. This was widely reported in Germany, and you can read about it in English media, too:

https://www.thetimes.com/world/euro...ith-us-military-cut-off-by-pentagon-p2xc7w9td

The Trump admin boasts about how great the US is and that it doesn't need all those ungrateful allies. It might even take their territory if it suits them. And those clowns serving under him don't even talk to their counterparts in any of the multitude of channels established over the course of the past 80 years anymore. And now suddenly it's Europe that needs to step up for a war the US started? 🤡
 
Darius87 said:
do you realize that usa is not changing regime without troops on the ground? why would eu/nato would get into this mess knowing that?
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As I said earlier, had the EU and ME allies even just feigned unified overwhelming offensive support with the US/Israel and launched large scale deployment quasi-training drills as a show of force and bluster after Iran went batshit terrorist, there's a strong possibility they would have quickly negotiated an end to the conflict with deep concessions, would have increased the odds of the slightly less radical and slightly more sensible leadership attempting a coup, or spurned more widespread protests among the populous.

You're free to disagree with that assessment, but what we can be 100% certain of is that the EU's staunch refusal to allow the US to use certain airbases, and strongly worded letters of condemnation for the "illegal" war did nothing but embolden Iran and guarantee it dragged the conflict out even longer. Again you can call Drump a dumbass for starting it in the first place, but the EU very obviously and intentionally making it worse is next level retardation of the highest order, quadruplely so when the US/Israel "winning" would massively benefit the EU.
 
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Haint said:
As I said earlier, had the EU and ME allies even just feigned unified overwhelming offensive support with the US/Israel and launched large scale deployment quasi-training drills as a show of force and bluster after Iran went batshit terrorist, there's a strong possibility Iran would have quickly negotiated an end to the conflict with deep concessions, would have increased the odds of the slightly less radical and slightly more sensible leadership attempting a coup, or spurned more widespread protests with the populous.
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That's a huge what-if to shift the responsibility away from the party that initated the conflict. And again, this goes exactly counter to the US stance Europe should primarily protect itself while the US shifts its attention to Asia.

But then again, the US position makes little sense. Like how Europe will be taken over by islam in a few years but would also get nuked by Iran the second they got nukes.
 
Hypnotoad said:
People here taking a "Europe is at fault" position are completely delusional—and I can only reiterate that I hold most Western European leaders in contempt, but that's beside the point. Apart from all the verbal abuse and threats aimed at NATO and the EU, the US has already cut off most modes of communication with its allies. This was widely reported in Germany, and you can read about it in English media, too:

https://www.thetimes.com/world/euro...ith-us-military-cut-off-by-pentagon-p2xc7w9td

The Trump admin boasts about how great the US is and that it doesn't need all those ungrateful allies. It might even take their territory if it suits them. And those clowns serving under him don't even talk to their counterparts in any of the multitude of channels established over the course of the past 80 years anymore. And now suddenly it's Europe that needs to step up for a war the US started? 🤡
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It does seem bizarre to me that the message is that the greatest nation on earth can do whatever its president decides is a good idea on a given day, that the army wins all the wars alone, that the armed forces are so mighty it makes all others look like toys and that Americas opponents are already dead and crushed to dust.

...And yet the war continues.
 
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Haint said:
As I said earlier, had the EU and ME allies even just feigned unified overwhelming offensive support with the US/Israel and launched large scale deployment quasi-training drills as a show of force and bluster after Iran went batshit terrorist, there's a strong possibility they would have quickly negotiated an end to the conflict with deep concessions, would have increased the odds of the slightly less radical and slightly more sensible leadership attempting a coup, or spurned more widespread protests among the populous.
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if usa/israel can't achieve what you're talking about but suddenly eu/me would change things around?
 
Haint said:
As I said earlier, had the EU and ME allies even just feigned unified overwhelming support with the US/Israel and launched large scale deployment quasi-training drills as a show of force and bluster after Iran went batshit terrorist, there's a strong possibility Iran would have quickly negotiated an end to the conflict with deep concessions, would have increased the odds of the slightly less radical and slightly more sensible leadership attempting a coup, or spurned more widespread protests with the populous.
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To secure such support, you need an administration who can at least entertain the idea of communicating with allies and doing diplomacy beforehand, not ex post facto. But wait ... the US don't need that, they're Number One, so much stronger than all those ungrateful European countries. After all, it's might that makes right, and the US Army is the strongest in the world, that is what counts, according to the Secretary of WAR and those who echo him in this thread. Diplomacy and rules are for babies and those weak beta Eurocrats.
 
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Haint said:
As I said earlier, had the EU and ME allies even just feigned unified overwhelming offensive support with the US/Israel and launched large scale deployment quasi-training drills as a show of force and bluster after Iran went batshit terrorist, there's a strong possibility they would have quickly negotiated an end to the conflict with deep concessions, would have increased the odds of the slightly less radical and slightly more sensible leadership attempting a coup, or spurned more widespread protests among the populous.
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You do realize that this current USA administration did not consult any of it's allies, nor the EU, nor NATO, nor the UN, before they started this war.
There were no negotiations, nor plans to involve other countries. He went s far as to say the EU and NATO were too weak and didn't need them.
Only after Trump realized that Iran was going to resist and not fold immediately, did he start saying that the EU, China and Arab countries have to help out cleaning you his mess.
But the worst part is that Trump is so unrealiable, that most countries don't want to get involved because there is a good chance he will just abandon everyone as soon as they enter the fray. Just like he did with Ukraine.
 
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