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[pachura]

Not directly related to Iran invasion but will definitely help out with internal threats from active shooters on bases....they will no longer be gun free zones with only exceptions for MPs and then sick fuckers intent on killing who dont obey regulations or the law.....

Good for you, I guess, but let's keep war/firearms and God separate, or else it sounds like Nazi "Gott mit uns".

Also, 2 out of 3 shootings mentioned were done by a member of US military (active or ex), not by some abstract "sick fuckers"...

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Not really. Oil, just like many commodities, has been heavily financialized. It's why you can get negative barrel pricing on papers. It's not greed, it's the market.

No, the selling price has no influence on USA prices - as producer, USA can maintain low oil prices if they want to. USA is not competing with SEA or Europe on oil purchases. It is not a situation where tankers go to higher priced regions and thus oil price increases across the board. USA is a producer. They can keep prices lower if companies want to. It is basic greed.

What would you call the closing of the strait of Hormuz?

USA does not pass their oil through the strait. It affects mainly SEA regions. Essentially everything boils down to the fact that SEA oil prices and European oil prices have gone up (Brent), so american producers decided to increase the oil prices domestically because they could to benefit from the windfall.

 

[devutos]

No, the selling price has no influence on USA prices - as producer, USA can maintain low oil prices if they want to. USA is not competing with SEA or Europe on oil purchases. It is not a situation where tankers go to higher priced regions and thus oil price increases across the board. USA is a producer. They can keep prices lower if companies want to. It is basic greed.


USA does not pass their oil through the strait. It affects mainly SEA regions. Essentially everything boils down to the fact that SEA oil prices and European oil prices have gone up (Brent), so american producers decided to increase the oil prices domestically because they could to benefit from the windfall.

So many misconceptions here I don't even know where to start.
1. US oil going up in price is not greed, it's free market economy. The alternative is what the US has spent the last 100 years fighting
2. Brent is not 'European oil prices', it's oil extracted in the North Sea. North Sea production and distribution has not been impacted, just like American production and distribution has not been impacted. Both are going up for the same reason, oil is a global commodity. Being disrupted by a war started by the US. European producers (just like Russia, and Iran) are also benefiting from higher prices.

Also, from what I read, the US imports about twice as much in energy product from Hormuz than any individual European country (though a lot less than Europe combined). So it's not even true that the US does not use Hormuz at all. The fact Trump said that should have been an hint that it's not correct.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

 

[DenchDeckard]

It is pretty impressive how they are capable of flying at low altitudes at this point. Like in their own neighbourhood


It depends. I don't think iranians - aside IRGC - are hostile.

Yeah, sorry. for clarification. I mean the IRGC.

 

[Brucey]

Good for you, I guess, but let's keep war/firearms and God separate, or else it sounds like Nazi "Gott mit uns".

Also, 2 out of 3 shootings mentioned were done by a member of US military (active or ex), not by some abstract "sick fuckers"...

Yes I know they were military and they were sick fuckers intent on killing as many as possible.

Now at least military personnel on base can defend themselves. Previously would have to wait for MPs to arrive and as in civilian life, when seconds count police are minutes away.

 

[adamsapple]

 

[jason10mm]

Not directly related to Iran invasion but will definitely help out with internal threats from active shooters on bases....they will no longer be gun free zones with only exceptions for MPs and then sick fuckers intent on killing who dont obey regulations or the law.....

Wow, this is a BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG change, almost SEISMIC in it's effect, about on par with letting active duty smoke pot off duty. Stemming from the Vietnam days of the unruly "prison or service" and draftees that had to be ruthlessly guarded, not having access to weapons on post is a cultural cornerpost of military life.

Also felt a little odd to me, especially when they would tell us to not wear our uniforms when off post lest we attract and be attacked by hostile agents (which I'm not sure ever really happened but was always a persistent rumor). I know quite a few folks I wouldn't trust with a personal firearm though, military service is definitely not a reliable indicator of mental stability and firearm competence.

We'll see the fallout of this. IDEALLY this makes a ton of sense, military are trained in firearms, they are expected to put themselves into dangerous situations. But the......quality of servicemember isn't always the best, strife and stress are pretty rampant, and tempers can flare.

At best I suspect folks will at least be able to keep their POWs in their car while on duty, then have access to them when going back home. Expect a lot of car break-ins now, even more so than usual.

 

[daffyduck]

Not sure what they're saying, but the guy on the left looks like he's from the '70s.

 

[DrFigs]

Wow, this is a BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG change, almost SEISMIC in it's effect, about on par with letting active duty smoke pot off duty. Stemming from the Vietnam days of the unruly "prison or service" and draftees that had to be ruthlessly guarded, not having access to weapons on post is a cultural cornerpost of military life.

Also felt a little odd to me, especially when they would tell us to not wear our uniforms when off post lest we attract and be attacked by hostile agents (which I'm not sure ever really happened but was always a persistent rumor). I know quite a few folks I wouldn't trust with a personal firearm though, military service is definitely not a reliable indicator of mental stability and firearm competence.

We'll see the fallout of this. IDEALLY this makes a ton of sense, military are trained in firearms, they are expected to put themselves into dangerous situations. But the......quality of servicemember isn't always the best, strife and stress are pretty rampant, and tempers can flare.

At best I suspect folks will at least be able to keep their POWs in their car while on duty, then have access to them when going back home. Expect a lot of car break-ins now, even more so than usual.

I'm not sure i follow. Are you saying that we should expect more car break-ins on military bases?

 

[jason10mm]

It is pretty impressive how they are capable of flying at low altitudes at this point. Like in their own neighbourhood


It depends. I don't think iranians - aside IRGC - are hostile.

So is the IRGC some exclusive sub-group within Iran, with members selected based on hereditary demonstrations of loyalty? Or are they subjected to rigorous brainwashing? Iran's miliary is about 1% of the population, give or take, so if they are a little subgroup within (and presumably oppressing) the general population, then it seems like we should be seeing more strife and revolution within Iran now that the IRGC has to be immobilized and effectively leaderless.

I suspect there is a lot more support from Irans population than we have been led to believe, and their disagreements with the government are more about narrow social policy than a complete rejection of the authority. So more like the average american citizen that wants Epstein file persecutions and lower gas prices and taxes but is overall on board with the government, than some sort of antifa or sovereign citizen type that wants to totally burn down and reject the current regime.

So an american pilot found on iranian soil is probably MORE at risk from "the locals" than from some IRGC unit that at least has, hopefully, a clear thinking officer in charge than can enforce some discipline and has some notion of the Geneva Convention for treatment of prisoners.

 

[StueyDuck]

I wonder how many tax funded parliamentary parties i mean conferences it took for her to come up with that one.

They should probably all meet in davos and spend more of the European tax payers money to vote on whether the joke was a success.

First they'll vote if the vote is needed though

 

[jason10mm]

I'm not sure i follow. Are you saying that we should expect more car break-ins on military bases?

if there are now guns in there, ABSOLUTELY. Car break ins are already an issue, folks will steal TA-50 gear (helmets, body armor, etc) or electronics to sell at pawn shops. So if lots of off post soldiers can now drive on post with their POW (privately owned weapon) and leave it in their car while working (I gotta think a lot of local commanders will forbid POWs while on duty) then there will be folks targeting those cars for guns. There are criminal gangs on big bases (which can have 30,000+ active duty living/working there and several times that of civilian employees and family members) for sure.

 

[jason10mm]

I wonder how many tax funded parliamentary parties i mean conferences it took for her to come up with that one.

They should probably all meet in davos and spend more of the European tax payers money to vote on whether the joke was a success.

First they'll vote if the vote is needed though

The funny thing is that type of plan is EXACTLY the sort of crazy shit we used to do on the reg in WW2. "Sail a bunch of landing craft into the teeth of the enemy, are you snorting coke!" "Drop a bunch of paratroopers to seize a hostile airfield, get off the meth!", "Slip into a guarded harbor and lay some mines, are you high?".

Military ops be dangerous, yo!

 

[Smiggs]

So is the IRGC some exclusive sub-group within Iran, with members selected based on hereditary demonstrations of loyalty? Or are they subjected to rigorous brainwashing? Iran's miliary is about 1% of the population, give or take, so if they are a little subgroup within (and presumably oppressing) the general population, then it seems like we should be seeing more strife and revolution within Iran now that the IRGC has to be immobilized and effectively leaderless.

I suspect there is a lot more support from Irans population than we have been led to believe, and their disagreements with the government are more about narrow social policy than a complete rejection of the authority. So more like the average american citizen that wants Epstein file persecutions and lower gas prices and taxes but is overall on board with the government, than some sort of antifa or sovereign citizen type that wants to totally burn down and reject the current regime.

So an american pilot found on iranian soil is probably MORE at risk from "the locals" than from some IRGC unit that at least has, hopefully, a clear thinking officer in charge than can enforce some discipline and has some notion of the Geneva Convention for treatment of prisoners.

Don't kid yourself. An American hostage captured by the IRGC will be promptly tortured, and decapitated live on local TV and social media with a fucking Bowie knife, while still alive. I'd rather eat a bullet from my own sidearm than be taken prisoner by the IRGC.

 

[jason10mm]

Don't kid yourself. An American hostage captured by the IRGC will be promptly tortured, and decapitated live on local TV and social media with a fucking Bowie knife, while still alive. I'd rather eat a bullet from my own sidearm than be taken prisoner by the IRGC.

Probably, but not necessarily.

And again, if we just said "do this to a prisoner and we will level these three places" would give consequence to action and put all the onus for the result on the iranian government, where it belongs. The scale balance of "99% of the population is TOTALLY AGAINST the IRGC and thus can't be hurt in any way" and "seems like Iran as a whole is operating this way so their operational infrastructure is a legit target" will depend on their actions.

 

[Warspite]

Hope they find the pilot.

But given that it is Helos and transport aircraft searching for the pilot, I wonder if the F-15 had mechanical issues, in airspace where you can down an F-15 I would be be nervous about flying those type of aircraft low to the ground.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

So is the IRGC some exclusive sub-group within Iran, with members selected based on hereditary demonstrations of loyalty? Or are they subjected to rigorous brainwashing? Iran's miliary is about 1% of the population, give or take, so if they are a little subgroup within (and presumably oppressing) the general population, then it seems like we should be seeing more strife and revolution within Iran now that the IRGC has to be immobilized and effectively leaderless.

I suspect there is a lot more support from Irans population than we have been led to believe, and their disagreements with the government are more about narrow social policy than a complete rejection of the authority. So more like the average american citizen that wants Epstein file persecutions and lower gas prices and taxes but is overall on board with the government, than some sort of antifa or sovereign citizen type that wants to totally burn down and reject the current regime.

So an american pilot found on iranian soil is probably MORE at risk from "the locals" than from some IRGC unit that at least has, hopefully, a clear thinking officer in charge than can enforce some discipline and has some notion of the Geneva Convention for treatment of prisoners.

The biggest parallel would be an average game developer vs the one with LGBT flag. IRGC is that LGBT activist.

 

[DrFigs]

Don't kid yourself. An American hostage captured by the IRGC will be promptly tortured, and decapitated live on local TV and social media with a fucking Bowie knife, while still alive. I'd rather eat a bullet from my own sidearm than be taken prisoner by the IRGC.

I think this is a possibility, but Iran would have some sort of leverage if they held them prisoner.

 

[jason10mm]

The biggest parallel would be an average game developer vs the one with LGBT flag. IRGC is that LGBT activist.

Well, when a game comes out with a danger hair "social media content director", a danger hair "Story consultant", a danger hair lead designer, and the game itself is full of political pandering and unappealing characters, we dump the ENTIRE GAME, even if it was 99% made by normal people. If a ram equipped Trireme is being steered into you, you sink the ship, even if it's just the guy at the rudder, not the folks rowing it, that are "the problem". The Iranians need to start to realize that they are stuck in a death spiral by their insane government. Hopefully all those starlinks dropped in there can allow towns and cities to coordinate to free themselves.

 

[Stitch]

They found one of the F-15E crew members

 

[DrFigs]

Hope they find the pilot.

But given that it is Helos and transport aircraft searching for the pilot, I wonder if the F-15 had mechanical issues, in airspace where you can down an F-15 I would be be nervous about flying those type of aircraft low to the ground.

according to Al Jazeera, they also shot down a U.S. helicopter. but this is coming from Iran, and i haven't seen it reported elsewhere.

Iran's Mehr news agency is reporting that a US helicopter, on a search mission for the jet reportedly shot down in Iran, was also hit by a projectile.

www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2026/4/3/iran-war-live-trump-warns-assault-on-infrastructure-hasnt-even-started?update=4459148

 

[Bojji]

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Well, when a game comes out with a danger hair "social media content director", a danger hair "Story consultant", a danger hair lead designer, and the game itself is full of political pandering and unappealing characters, we dump the ENTIRE GAME, even if it was 99% made by normal people. If a ram equipped Trireme is being steered into you, you sink the ship, even if it's just the guy at the rudder, not the folks rowing it, that are "the problem". The Iranians need to start to realize that they are stuck in a death spiral by their insane government. Hopefully all those starlinks dropped in there can allow towns and cities to coordinate to free themselves.

The issue is that it is hard to protest when you are unarmed. People don't rise against tyranny without a violent armed rebellion and even then, you need some support from the elite or the army. And iranian elites do not want to. Everybody are waiting IRGC to crash and burn.

 

[jason10mm]

The issue is that it is hard to protest when you are unarmed. People don't rise against tyranny without a violent armed rebellion and even then, you need some support from the elite or the army. And iranian elites do not want to. Everybody are waiting IRGC to crash and burn.

Are they unarmed though? What about all the cops, militia, and whatnot? Surely there is SOME pipeline to black market weapons, given the area they live? Maybe a few B-52s can fly over and drop a few thousand AKs and ammo? It's 99 to 1, right? And those soldiers don't all live in gated and guarded communities separate from the rest, do they? If so, maybe those should be the targets?

What I'm saying is that there are plausible and actionable plans for these types of scenarios of a VERY small part of Iran controlling the rest and how to over-turn it. IF that's actually the case, of course.

 

[calico]

Don't kid yourself. An American hostage captured by the IRGC will be promptly tortured, and decapitated live on local TV and social media with a fucking Bowie knife, while still alive. I'd rather eat a bullet from my own sidearm than be taken prisoner by the IRGC.

More likely to be used as leverage I would think, if they survive the locals.

If God forbid it's a woman, we're about to find out why you don't have women in combat zones.

 

[Meicyn]

If God forbid it's a woman, we're about to find out why you don't have women in combat zones.

And why is that? Men get tortured and raped as well. If a woman wants to serve and is fully combat capable under the exact same guidelines as a man, that's their prerogative. I am fully opposed to separate, lowered standards for women in combat roles to accommodate some token attempt at equal representation. But if we're a meritocracy, then capability and not identity, should be the deciding factor on whether they get to perform that duty.

 

[ADiTAR]

There are a few women pilots and navigators in the IDF.

 

[lachesis]

If anything Iranian artesh should do their job aid the civilians if there's a mass protest - against IRGC. Artesh - the regular military have been far neglected and treated as a 2nd class (rumor has been that they were only given 10 bullets to fight off the US/Israeli forces, with no pay, no supplies etc - causing super low moral & prompting desertion in mass) - artesh must have some beef against IRGC....

 

[Jaybe]

Don't kid yourself. An American hostage captured by the IRGC will be promptly tortured, and decapitated live on local TV and social media with a fucking Bowie knife, while still alive. I'd rather eat a bullet from my own sidearm than be taken prisoner by the IRGC.

I thought I heard something that IDF pilots will just commit suicide rather than be captured and used as a pawn/tortures if the are shot down behind enemy lines

 

[ADiTAR]

is there really another airplane that crashed? A10?

 

[Lux77]

Edit: Eh, not confirmed yet

 

[Gp1]

is there really another airplane that crashed? A10?

There were reports of a Black Hawk from the CSAR group crossed back into Iraq smoking and it may have crashed. But the crash part still very unconfirmed.



Again, everything open source intel so...

 

[Stitch]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/04/03/world/iran-war-trump-oil/47863db0-d61e-51bf-b7e1-6c4a9dc988e7?smid=url-share

A second Air Force combat plane crashed in the Persian Gulf region on Friday, and the lone pilot was safely rescued, according to two U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss operational matters. The A-10 Warthog attack plane went down near the Strait of Hormuz about the same time that an Air Force F-15E was shot down over Iran, the officials said.

 

[YCoCg]

Trump announces destruction of Iran's tallest bridge

US President Donald Trump said Thursday the tallest bridge in Iran had been destroyed, hours after threatening to bomb the country "back to the Stone Ages."

www.france24.com

Yes, those are certainly the actions of a rational actor interested in freeing the Iranian people.

The White House better be blasting this when America rolls up

 

[StabbyStabStabStabStab]

I thought I heard something that IDF pilots will just commit suicide rather than be captured and used as a pawn/tortures if the are shot down behind enemy lines

Hannibal directive? That's a can of neogaf worms right there...

 

[ADiTAR]

Hannibal directive? That's a can of neogaf worms right there...

It's not suicide though, it's a another soldier shooting you. Not sure how real that is.

 

[lachesis]

So glad the crew members are safe, including the 2nd one.

edit: it's not confirmed. Damn... please be safe.

 

[StabbyStabStabStabStab]

It's not suicide though, it's a another soldier shooting you. Not sure how real that is.

Yes I think that's what he (she?) was referring to. I just think that'll open up too deep a rabbit hole for here...

 

[adamsapple]

Edit: Eh, not confirmed yet

Glad he's safe but "now safe in Iraq" is such a wild sentence with historical context.

 

[Ozriel]

Glad he's safe but "now safe in Iraq" is such a wild sentence with historical context.

Unless there's another source, the dude quoted above says he was mistaken and search is still ongoing for the ejected pilot.

 

[EviLore]

 

[Sonik]

The bill is coming

 

[newtypepilot]

behind enemy lines 2 when?

 

[calico]

And why is that? Men get tortured and raped as well. If a woman wants to serve and is fully combat capable under the exact same guidelines as a man, that's their prerogative. I am fully opposed to separate, lowered standards for women in combat roles to accommodate some token attempt at equal representation. But if we're a meritocracy, then capability and not identity, should be the deciding factor on whether they get to perform that duty.

It isn't their prerogative, it's society's prerogative to decide whether it is willing to accept the risk of allowing it or not. How much more of a liability they become if captured by the enemy should be the deciding factor.

If society at large actually believed in the view of equality you are putting forth, then it would not be an issue, because a captured female pilot would give the enemy no more leverage than a captured male pilot. But it does not believe that - not once the shit hits the fan. It might believe in equality of opportunity, but millennia of evolution dictates that a woman in peril is viewed very differently to a man in peril.

A captured male pilot would be bad enough, but a captured female pilot would be orders of magnitude worse in terms of leverage gained by Iran.

 

[adamsapple]

The bill is coming

Holy f'in shit, they're gutting everything ..

 

[taylor34]

Couldn't they just cut hospice in LA and daycare in Minnesota to pay for this and still have 500 billion left over?

 

[Meicyn]

It isn't their prerogative, it's society's prerogative to decide whether it is willing to accept the risk of allowing it or not. How much more of a liability they become if captured by the enemy should be the deciding factor.

If society at large actually believed in the view of equality you are putting forth, then it would not be an issue, because a captured female pilot would give the enemy no more leverage than a captured male pilot. But it does not believe that - not once the shit hits the fan. It might believe in equality of opportunity, but millennia of evolution dictates that a woman in peril is viewed very differently to a man in peril.

A captured male pilot would be bad enough, but a captured female pilot would be orders of magnitude worse in terms of leverage gained by Iran.

Society at large already accepted the risk. Next.

 

[Bojji]

Couldn't they just cut hospice in LA and daycare in Minnesota to pay for this and still have 500 billion left over?

Tim Waltz:

 

[Critical Hit]

Holy f'in shit, they're gutting everything ..

The previous budget was 7 trillion, with 900 billion allocated to the military. The next budget is 7.4 trillion. What is the total sum of the list from the biased source, one-third of which consists of expenses in foreign countries?