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Trump is one of the biggest egomaniacs the world has ever seen. One thing about him is he simply can't handle not getting what he wants and not winning. We've seen this in the things he's done and said over the years. And when he doesn't get his way he will act like a 5 year old on a temper tantrum. That's just how he is. What's scary is whatever he decides to do going forward won't be based on what's best for America or the world or the livelihood of others. It'll be how he can best look good himself going forward and claim that he's achieved ultimate victory.

But we all knew this about this guy. At least we should have. What's sad is we know his lackeys will stand up there like a bunch of pussies and not disavow posts like that. Trump could literally post "We're nuking Iran tomorrow" and Vance and Hegseth next time they speak to the media will be like "Yep, we're nuking Iran and this is a good thing and anyone who doesn't agree is a far left radical" even though neither would actually believe that. What Trump learned from his last term when he was kept in check is to only surround himself with loyalists and cowards.
 
Kharg and some bridges have been hit today.

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Critical Hit said:
I wonder where exactly. It looks like they're preparing for a ground operation so that the IGRC can't send reinforcements.
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Here's all I found on the bridges from the New York Times.

"The Israeli military said Tuesday that it had struck eight bridges across Iran. The military did not name the bridges, but according to a graphic attached to the announcement, they appear to be concentrated in northwestern Iran."
 
OLED_Gamer said:
The amount of damage being done by this administration to the US reputation is wild. This is going to take decades to repair.
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Yes and no. not sure how much "reputation" the US really had to begin with.

The thing is, a weaker Iran does benefit most of the western world and simultaneously weakens western enemies.
 
U.S. is entering its blatant bully phase, we can do what we want cause we have all the guns...I guess we really do have the guns and can get away with this for a while, current gen may even benefit. Future gens more likely to suffer the consequences
 
I doubt it's a precursor to an invasion. The terrorist regime of Iran fucked around and now it's finding out. It's really that simple.

It was a rather childish delusion if they thought they could declare international civilian shipping fair game but that a similar view wouldn't be taken to their infrastructure in response.
 
Critical Hit said:
He's been president for 5 years now, and he's never acted any differently.
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This should never be normalized.

This guy has almost king like power (who can stop him?) unlike Presidents (or even Prime ministers) of most other democracies, he can blow shit up around the world on a whim. America never had much power checks for Presidents but so far guys in the office were quite normal and predictable, unlike Trump...
 
Bojji said:
This should never be normalized.

This guy has almost king like power (who can stop him?) unlike Presidents (or even Prime ministers) of most other democracies, he can blow shit up around the world on a whim. America never had much power checks for Presidents but so far guys in the office were quite normal and predictable, unlike Trump...
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No there was plenty of power checks until FDR said fuck it and became a King. That set all precedent going forward.
 
Opposition judges stop him doing something every other week. Congress has the power to remove a President from office. The only way in which a US President is especially strong is because the US military is so much stronger than other militaries.
 
calico said:
Opposition judges stop him doing something every other week. Congress has the power to remove a President from office. The only way in which a US President is especially strong is because the US military is so much stronger than other militaries.
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He can launch military operations without congress approval (this was normalized by his predecessors). They can try to stop him at some point but only long after he does something.
 
The absolute state of some people here. You'd think here was turning into the purple place.

Is how the US is going about this with an utterly egotistical leader ideal? No.

But Iran has been an issue for decades and has become an increasing threat.
  • Supporting extremist Islam in the region.
  • Supporting Russia in its invasion of Ukraine.
  • Receiving support from Russia and China.
  • Mutual support with North Korea.
  • Killing their own citizens over the most trivial of 'transgressions'.
  • Many sleeper cells in the West.
  • General oppression of their populace.
Diplomacy has achieved fuck all to prevent any of this.

They are evil and if you are an apologist for them, so are you.
 
Tams said:
The absolute state of some people here. You'd think here was turning into the purple place.

Is how the US is going about this with an utterly egotistical leader ideal? No.

But Iran has been an issue for decades and has become an increasing threat.
  • Supporting extremist Islam in the region.
  • Supporting Russia in its invasion of Ukraine.
  • Receiving support from Russia and China.
  • Mutual support with North Korea.
  • Killing their own citizens over the most trivial of 'transgressions'.
  • Many sleeper cells in the West.
  • General oppression of their populace.
Diplomacy has achieved fuck all to prevent any of this.

They are evil and if you are an apologist for them, so are you.
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You're arguing against ghosts.

The problem is the execution, and the dumb selfish cunt in charge of the US who's responsible for this shitty execution.
You want to get rid of a regime that's terrorising its people and the region? Fine.

Fucking think about the consequences of your actions before you start lobbing missiles, and then start wondering why nobody wants to be your friend.
 
Jaybe said:
"The Israeli military said Tuesday that it had struck eight bridges across Iran. The military did not name the bridges, but according to a graphic attached to the announcement, they appear to be concentrated in northwestern Iran."
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Almost half of the military infrastructure is located there, so it's unclear whether they were trying to disrupt operations or block the route to the island.

Bojji said:
This should never be normalized.
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And that's not what I meant. I was saying you shouldn't believe everything he says/posts. I'm not so sure those are his posts and not some team's.

Bojji said:
who can stop him?
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The Supreme Court? Probably the Senate as well this fall, unless he manages to make the operation a complete success by then.
 
BattleScar said:
You're arguing against ghosts.

The problem is the execution, and the dumb selfish cunt in charge of the US who's responsible for this shitty execution.
You want to get rid of a regime that's terrorising its people and the region? Fine.

Fucking think about the consequences of your actions before you start lobbing missiles, and then start wondering why nobody wants to be your friend.
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I posted that comment because at least three of the posts just above mine were being apologists for the Iranian regime.
 
Madflavor said:
Half of Era really hates the Democrat Party because they think they're not left enough. They had a thread today where they were talking about how Hasan Piker should be THE voice of the Left.
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Yeah they went around calling Biden "Genocide Joe" but now are crying that his VP isn't in office.

A couple days ago they were bummed that the pilot was rescued because now he's free to "go back to killing children."

These people think they have the answers that Americans are looking for. Democrats have to kick these nuts out if they want to be viable again.
 
Bojji said:
He can launch military operations without congress approval (this was normalized by his predecessors). They can try to stop him at some point but only long after he does something.
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There is nothing particularly unusual about the executive having the authority to deploy the military, and the power in the rest of the system to rein it in being retroactive.

The initial safeguard against abuse is needing to be elected to office in the first place.
 
BattleScar said:
I'm not calling them idiots at all. Undoubtedly, they are culpable too - I'm not trying to deny or absolve them of any responsibility. However, the West cannot also absolve itself of any responsibility and say "Well, they would have ended up like this anyway". How do you know that?

If a nation is in the process of changing for the better - sharing more modern, progressivist, democratic ideas, and then you decide to intervene in the middle of that transformation, it can quite easily send things backwards. Arming insurgents or militia to have more power than they otherwise would have to enable a coup d'etat, for example. Actions have consequences. We might have prevented a staunch, secular ally in Iran, if we had not intervened. Maybe you could argue things might have turned out the same. But us in the West deciding to get rid of a democratic, progressive leader because they wanted control of Iranian oil, absolutely had a hand in altering the course of history.


That depends. Did we give


Forgive me, but if Ukraine underwent a Russia-sponsored regime change following the invasion, do you think the resulting Ukraine would be particularly pro-West and liberal? The situation is also different because Ukraine shares a land border with Russia.
The Middle East is very far removed from Western Nations - particularly the US. Unless you keep an occupying force active in the region and allow at a minimum decades for progressivism to take root, things can be undone quite easily.
Its easy to foment hatred against an occupying nation.


If they're under dictatorship, then that only holds true for now.
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I don't agree with this war even though I hate the regime, but that's because of how I think. I don't think you can bomb Iran into anything other than what it is, but that is because I don't believe they were bombed into the way it is. Don't know how people can believe the former but not the latter. It's very similar to when people say that insert African country practices FGM because of Western interence but it would suggest that you can have a 180 morality change and have a hankering all of a sudden for FGM. We don't apply this to ourselves. No one who is liberal thinks that depending on some external oppression or because of Trump in the US specifically that you would become super far right and start persecuting people you liked before. If anything you would rebel which is what happened in Iran when millions left. We have own minds and I don't believe people from the Middle East do not. I have seen people respond with any criticism of barbarity in Gaza by saying it's due to Israeli occupation. Now, I understand why you would hate Israelis but why would throw someone off a building that has nothing to do with it. We don't apply it to Western nations or ourselves. I don't either to Trump. He is deciding to tweet this stuff. It's on him.
 
Madserb2023 said:
I don't agree with this war even though I hate the regime, but that's because of how I think. I don't think you can bomb Iran into anything other than what it is, but that is because I don't believe they were bombed into the way it is. Don't know how people can believe the former but not the latter. It's very similar to when people say that insert African country practices FGM because of Western interence but it would suggest that you can have a 180 morality change and have a hankering all of a sudden for FGM. We don't apply this to ourselves. No one who is liberal thinks that depending on some external oppression or because of Trump in the US specifically that you would become super far right and start persecuting people you liked before. If anything you would rebel which is what happened in Iran when millions left. We have own minds and I don't believe people from the Middle East do not. I have seen people respond with any criticism of barbarity in Gaza by saying it's due to Israeli occupation. Now, I understand why you would hate Israelis but why would throw someone off a building that has nothing to do with it. We don't apply it to Western nations or ourselves. I don't either to Trump. He is deciding to tweet this stuff. It's on him.
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I suppose we can agree to disagree here.

But to me your way of thinking sounds fatalistic.
All I'm arguing is that, the west interrupted a nation in the middle of changing for the better, because of their own geopolitical interests in the region with regards to oil. That action, had some consequences.

Every action has consequences, so we should think deeply about what we're doing before we do it.
 
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Tams said:
The absolute state of some people here. You'd think here was turning into the purple place.

Is how the US is going about this with an utterly egotistical leader ideal? No.

But Iran has been an issue for decades and has become an increasing threat.
  • Supporting extremist Islam in the region.
  • Supporting Russia in its invasion of Ukraine.
  • Receiving support from Russia and China.
  • Mutual support with North Korea.
  • Killing their own citizens over the most trivial of 'transgressions'.
  • Many sleeper cells in the West.
  • General oppression of their populace.
Diplomacy has achieved fuck all to prevent any of this.

They are evil and if you are an apologist for them, so are you.
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For how many years and decades all this shit will continue to happen? These bloodsuckin' and genocidal motherfuckers killing their own people in dozens of thousands during protests, hanging them on the streets etc. It needs to fuckin' end once and for all and there's no other way but using force, a lot of it. I hope it won't come to the US using nukes though - never again!
 
BattleScar said:
I suppose we can agree to disagree here.

But to me your way of thinking sounds fatalistic.
All I'm arguing is that, the west interrupted a nation in the middle of changing for the better, because of their own geopolitical interests in the region with regards to oil. That action, had some consequences.

Every action has consequences, so we should think deeply about what we're doing before we do it.
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Changing for the better while killing thousands of their own people.
 
It's a twisted situation. Iran thinks their position is very strong and they can win a waiting game because closing the Strait puts an incredible amount of stress on the global economic system. But it is a general sort of pressure and a lot of the signals the US admin are getting from their oil and gas industry sponsors is that this is the best thing they have ever done, business is booming, and things are going great. There is less pressure on either side to end this quickly than it might seem. All this stuff about holy war in rural England or whatever doesn't move any needle at all to me.
 
Agent_4Seven said:
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For how many years and decades all this shit will continue to happen? These bloodsuckin' and genocidal motherfuckers killing their own people in dozens of thousands during protests, hanging them on the streets etc. It needs to fuckin' end once and for all and there's no other way but using force, a lot of it. I hope it won't come to the US using nukes though - never again!
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It is like all those online right winger dreaming about "crusades", fighting against evil and such but yet when push comes to shove they deflate like balloons. Talk has led to nowhere.
 
ADiTAR said:
Changing for the better while killing thousands of their own people.
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What in 1953 under Mossadegh?
That entire debacle was about Oil, and nothing else. Iran wanted to nationalise their oil - which they should have had every right to do. Obviously the British didn't want that.
 
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BattleScar said:
What in 1953 under Mossadegh?
That entire debacle was about Oil, and nothing else. Iran wanted to nationalise their oil - which they should have had every right to do. Obviously the British didn't want that.
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I thought you meant now.

Yeah, the brits truly made some shit decisions.
 
ChuckeRearmed said:
It is like all those online right winger dreaming about "crusades", fighting against evil and such but yet when push comes to shove they deflate like balloons. Talk has led to nowhere.
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Yeah, SHOW!, don't tell! Just don't fuckin' talk, DO IT ALREADY and then see what happens. Then do it again if needed, again and again until it'll be over. You can't reason with those who can't be reasoned with. The time of talks is over, the world has changed.
 
YCoCg said:
Because nobody expects shit from Islam and most of the Western world secretly does want Trump to fuck them up beyond repair, that's like asking why do we expect better from humans when pigs roll around in shit.
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Yeah, the world needs to bow down to Islam because "nobody expects shit from them".

And you guys have the audacity to call Trump retard.
 
ChuckeRearmed said:
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Simple question:

If the shoe was on the other foot, and it was American peaceniks trying to dissuade an Islamist super-power from striking the sites it had earmarked for destruction. Do you think they would falter in the face of international opprobium or show mercy to the infidels ?

Based on historical precedent I mean.

Its crazy to me. I mean if you oppose Trump and his base, how easy do you think it would be to "deprogram" or "convert" a MAGA supporter to a more progressive way of thinking ?

Now compare breaking that allegiance to that of a devout Jihadi or an ardent supporter of a theocracy like the IRGC ?

Would it be easier or harder to "convert" the person from your own country or the one from somewhere so fundamentally different culturally ?

People need to stop and think really carefully and clearly about the reality we find ourselves faced with.
 
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