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Yeah sounds like he's wussing out. Cmon Trumpy follow thru or pull out this is just embarassing.

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Damn, such a loss of face for Trump. Even I am disappointed.

IRGC literally won the time for regroup, buildup and dig up the missile stockpiles.
 
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It's a strangely worded statement. It's worded like an offer for a two-week pause, contingent upon Iran agreeing to open up the Strait of Hormuz. And not the announcement of an agreed-upon deal.
 
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Crazy thought and it's for real.

I had a dream last night - a very weird, vivid dream. In my dream, my son changed his name to Gundam, and changed his lastname to Moon. (Gundam Moon? Huh?)

Then with that in mind, I found out it's 47th anniversary of OG Gundam TV series.

And then I remembered OG Gundam TV series - Principality of "Zeon" drops a space colony that wipes out half of earth's population in the opening.

And then our 47th president made tweet about destroying a civilization... on April 7, 4-7.

On top of that, our company has been nominated for 47 Emmy awards.

I've encountered this number "47" so many times today.... and I'm halfway amused of the coincident, but at the same time little freaked out how it's all coming to this number "47". Perhaps I'm being a bit paranoid about the whole thing or nervous about what may happen in mere couple of hours.

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Well, hope we will come to a peaceful resolution for everyone's sake.
 
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Events have sure taken a turn for the ghastly and embarrassing lately.

I can't really say I'm too surprised. Maybe I expected too much though, but then again that was my mistake.

I will admit it's far too early to say if this "agreement" is a good thing or will even exist out of Trump's social media.
 
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Another case when IRGC can start digging out the stockpile and buying equipment to fortify. It is like 12-day war where Israel was not able to finish the job. Very lame.

Madonis said:
Events have sure taken a turn for the ghastly and embarrassing lately.

I can't really say I'm too surprised. Maybe I expected too much though, but then again that was my mistake.
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The main problem I have is that with Trump lost a lot of credibility - now it is known that if you hold long enough, whether using human shields and such - he will retreat. Cuba can easily leverage it now. And everybody else. For the Middle East especially it was a huge loss of face too because culturally nobody likes weakness there like that.
 
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ChuckeRearmed said:

Another case when IRGC can start digging out the stockpile and buying equipment to fortify. It is like 12-day war where Israel was not able to finish the job. Very lame.
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The stable genius at work, I'm afraid. If Israel was the one who led Trump to this mess and they're quick to jump out, then...lmao.
 
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lachesis said:
Crazy thought and it's for real.

I had a dream last night - a very weird, vivid dream. In my dream, my son changed his name to Gundam, and changed his lastname to Moon. (Gundam Moon? Huh?)

Then with that in mind, I found out it's 47th anniversary of OG Gundam TV series.

And then I remembered OG Gundam TV series - Principality of "Zion" drops a space colony that wipes out half of earth's population in the opening.

And then our 47th president made tweet about destroying a civilization... on April 7, 4-7.

On top of that, our company has been nominated for 47 Emmy awards.

I've encountered this number "47" so many times today.... and I'm halfway amused of the coincident, but at the same time little freaked out how it's all coming to this number "47". Perhaps I'm being a bit paranoid about the whole thing or nervous about what may happen in mere couple of hours.

MTEYWEsfB5sWENqo.jpg

Well, hope we will come to a peaceful resolution for everyone's sake.
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You've just experienced synchronicity.
 
The 10 point proposal from Iran is also lopsidedly in favor of the regime.
Trump painting this as a basis to start negotiation and not his own proposal speaks volumes.


This will be spun as an Iranian victory, for sure. Major wins for Russia and China too.

Wonder if the ceasefire includes Lebanon too
 
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They aren't idiots which you seem to think they are. For Iran to turn into a theocracy, the conditions had to be there in the first place. It would be nonsensical to believe that you can become like Iran or Afghanistan through outside interference, mainly because most countries that have experienced the same thing haven't. There are very few countries that haven't been invaded or oppressed but they didn't go from cosmopolitan to killing anyone remotely liberal overnight. Ukraine and pretty much every country around Russia should be like Afghanistan by now. I am 99% that Bhutan with it's happy index wouldn't turn into a Buddhist Caliphate executing everyone if they were invaded. So many countries in South America and South Asia have experienced the same thing. Chile had a dictator forced upon them by the West but they haven't turned into anything like this.
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Btw.. These are the list of demands from Iran that are the basis of this cease fire according to Trump..

  1. Permanent End to Hostilities: A lasting, comprehensive end to the war, rather than a temporary ceasefire.
  2. Security Guarantees: A binding guarantee that Iran will not be attacked by the U.S. or Israel again.
  3. Lifting All Sanctions: Immediate removal of all U.S. economic sanctions against Iran.
  4. End to Regional Attacks: A complete halt to Israeli strikes in Lebanon and against other Iranian allies.
  5. Reopening the Strait of Hormuz: Reopening the critical energy route in exchange for accepting the deal.
  6. Hormuz Transit Fee: Imposition of a 2 million fee per vessel passing through the Strait.
  7. Revenue Sharing: Splitting the transit fees with Oman.
  8. Reconstruction Funding: Using shipping fees for Iranian infrastructure reconstruction, rather than seeking direct compensation.
  9. Safe Passage Protocols: Implementation of Iranian-controlled rules for safe passage in the Strait.
  10. A Broad Regional Settlement: A general framework to end all regional hostilities involving Iran and its proxies.

Umm.. This sounds like the IRGC would be making a KILLING financially for the foreseeable future all of it agreed upon across the globe and not in a clandestine fashion..


EDIT... So my question.. WTF was the point in ANY OF THIS?!?!?! To further legitimize a Theocracy?
 
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If one does the math, you can argue that Obama dollars up front are more than the $2million/boat fee over time.

5D chess move lol

Edit - yes it's supposed to be retarded
 
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I don't know who's the biggest loser, Trump or BB. Trump for making empty threats and everyone calling his bluff, or BB who will just bend over not only on Iran (no uranium or ballistic missiles in the agreement) but mostly on Lebanon.
 
Iran's demands amount to American terms of surrender. There's nothing special in it to warrant an extension, just an excuse to flip-flop on the ultimatum and kick it out two weeks.

Now they'll restock their weapons and expect the deadlines to be negotiable in their favour.
 
Looks like China got involved in pressuring Iran to accept 2 weeks. We are literally in the cusp of 1 real bad fuck up setting of a WW. All of the players are starting to flex influence.
 
People in here are like I hope this doesn't happen trump is so terrible for doing this. Doesn't do it and then it is, what a coward not bombing every bridge and power plant.

Can't win with peace or war.
 
There's lots of yabbering on about Trump not doing it, but for the last day there's been incessant wailing that he was going to order war crimes to be committed.

Make your fucking minds up people!

TDS indeed.

As for the 'loss of face'; 'face' isn't really considered important by the Western world.
 
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People in here are like I hope this doesn't happen trump is so terrible for doing this. Doesn't do it and then it is, what a coward not bombing every bridge and power plant.

Can't win with peace or war.
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I don't see why Trump should get credit for agreeing to a ceasefire for a war he should have never gotten into in the first place. Wow we re-opened the strait of Hormuz, the thing that was operating fine a month ago. It just cost us billions of dollars and made us look bad to our allies in the Middle East.
 
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Tams said:
There's lots of yabbering on about Trump not doing it, but for the last day there's been incessant wailing that he was going to order war crimes to be committed.

Make your fucking minds up people!

TDS indeed.
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Is it TDS to call out his absurd behavior?

Or is it TDS when you defend it no matter what?
 
At least somebody earned money on that. Casino.


Vestal said:
Looks like China got involved in pressuring Iran to accept 2 weeks. We are literally in the cusp of 1 real bad fuck up setting of a WW. All of the players are starting to flex influence.
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To be fair I think it is also a way for Pakistan to squirm out of helping the Saudi Arabia. I am sure some favors were traded between various parties involved there.
 
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Looking forward to the Wikipedia entry on the Strait of Hormuz Toll Booth, made possible by the Trump Administration.

Let's do some math! Pre-war, about 80 tankers pushed through per day. $2M fee per tanker x 80 tankers = $160M per day. $160M x 365 days = $58.4B. Assuming the war ends by next month, from 1 May there are 245 days left in the year. So $160M x 245 days = $39.2B.

So for the remaining duration of Trump's Presidential term assuming a start date of 1 May, Iran will collect $156B. And then will continue to collect fees for the foreseeable future.

Art of the deal, indeed.
 
DrFigs said:
I don't see why Trump should get credit for agreeing to a ceasefire for a war he should have never gotten into in the first place. Wow we re-opened the strait of Hormuz, the thing that was operating fine a month ago. It just cost us billions of dollars and made us look bad to our allies in the Middle East.
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I think negotiations breaking down and the threat of Iranian future nukes was the reason the bombing started.

If you think it was in the direct national security interest of the US. Then it was necessary.
 
Wow, the IQ levels have dropped here.

Trump has said the Iranian proposal is a workable basis to start with.

That doesn't mean the US would agree to such a high toll, or any toll.

Also, even the Iranian proposal suggests splitting it with Oman, yet a number of you here didn't bother reading that.

DrFigs said:
I don't see why Trump should get credit for agreeing to a ceasefire for a war he should have never gotten into in the first place. Wow we re-opened the strait of Hormuz, the thing that was operating fine a month ago. It just cost us billions of dollars and made us look bad to our allies in the Middle East.
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Only it wasn't. Iran has been attacking ships quite randomly.

Frankly, we've been lucky the shipping insurance companies weren't charging more before.
 
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Tams said:
There's lots of yabbering on about Trump not doing it, but for the last day there's been incessant wailing that he was going to order war crimes to be committed.

Make your fucking minds up people!

TDS indeed.

As for the 'loss of face'; 'face' isn't really considered important by the Western world.
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huh? Most people are happy that this war might be finally coming to an end.

Tams said:
Only it wasn't. Iran has been attacking ships quite randomly.

Frankly, we've been lucky the shipping insurance companies weren't charging more before.
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that's not how insurance works.
 
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