I've been thinking this but I didn't say anything because I don't want Dom and Dev to giggle at me.
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Garrett 2U
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If it only propelled you a few feet and took a decent amount of time to recharge, I think that would be awesome.
Could add a whole new layer to strafing.
ManBearPanda
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Unfortunately, I don't think that AAs are going anywhere. I've accepted that we're going to be stuck with AAs, for better or worse, and my hope at this point is that 343i at least tries to refine them, and turn them into something that complements gunplay, not something that replaces it. I really think that if Bungie got the basic player traits down (and vehicles, maps, and weapon placement on maps) in Reach, AAs wouldn't be complained about as much. But because Bungie whiffed with Reach, all the other problems were accentuated further than they would've been had Bungie nailed the basics.
Steelyuhas
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Whilst I'm with you on this one it's sobering to note that such a bolded description could've applied to bloom a couple of years ago.
Adding layers to Halo is like cooking scrambled eggs. Change the formula too much and it becomes an omelette.
But aside from re-using AL, jet pack etc from Reach, what could they possibly have for new AA ideas? That's the only thing keeping me from being worried, although I could easily be proven wrong...
Garrett 2U
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Definitely, but Armor Abilities were way too different from each other.
It is impossible to balance them all into the same gametypes on the same map.
However, having just a thruster is a much more limited addition and can fit into the sandbox much easier.
I don't think AAs will return.
The reason Bungie got away with adding armor abilities is because they used the excuse that the Spartan IIIs had them.
But MC is a SII, and I think the thruster idea is much more possible.
Good points. If thrusters are a universal gameplay addition then it shouldn't pose a huge problem.
I remember the idea of armour abilities initially floating about following the Morello leaks and I distinctly opposed the idea here because it changed that level playing field which Halo multiplayer has always been based around. It's why starting weapons are enforced, as are base character traits. Any alterations to such things are a product of map movement, be it to pick up weapons or power ups.
I loved this approach. I could see a player at a distance and know every trick in his playbook and act accordingly. This wasn't possible in Reach and it lead to numerous instances where I'd frustratingly see my opponent dart around a corner when I thought I had him.
The pleasure comes from knowing the obstacle you face and overcoming it, not failing to beat an obstacle that was never made clear to you. That's actually the definition of frustration.
Garrett 2U
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Exactly what I was about to say.
There were so many occasions in Reach where I would analyze a situation, confront it, only to be sideswiped by an unpredictable factor.
Such as an enemy going into armor lock or overwhelming you with a jetpack.
Or a bullet that pinged off nine inches to the left.
I'm hoping the Thrusters are gonna be for a built-in Sprint with a few extra movement options like Long Jumps. If they stretch the mechanic out to that Dash / Shoulder Ram / Slide thing I posted a while ago, I'd be very surprised.
AAs should be tied to weapons so they have better control over them, and shouldn't have as much impact on play.
Jetpacks need to go away forever. Armor lock needs to be nerfed down to something like a little temporary Overshield, if it's kept at all.
AAs should be tied to weapons so they have better control over them, and shouldn't have as much impact on play.
Jetpacks need to go away forever. Armor lock needs to be nerfed down to something like a little temporary Overshield, if it's kept at all.
Devin Olsen
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Epitaph is Doubles owned so much.
Some would argue that a certain small level of unpredictability is what makes things fun. Like having your chopper explode and the wheels roll off only to kill an enemy 30 seconds later.
Steelyuhas
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Well make sure you don't use the stock disc settings. All of those objective gametypes are broken/had updates in MM (Flag and Assault don't even have the correct respawn times.
If no one has recent gametypes, this site has some. They are not recent TU ones, but they are some of the Bungie updated gametypes.
Slightly Live
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Bingo, bitches. Let's play!
bobs...onGaf
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Damn, my controller seems really messed up, looking up is really slow sometimes, but normal other times. The other directions including down seemed fine. I know someone else here would have come across similar issues, deadzone was a discussion point here a while back. Did anyone ever come across a reasonable fix?
I have got a third controller, but im wary of making that as manky and broken as the first two lol. Would rather fix the problem if at all possible.
I have got a third controller, but im wary of making that as manky and broken as the first two lol. Would rather fix the problem if at all possible.
But are you actually arguing in favour of AA's with this?
I appreciate a good pylon splatter, but if Bungie added pylon magnetism that worked 1/4 times, I'd be pissed.
The Librarian
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Bingo, bitches. Let's play!
No "new enemy" space?
Slightly Live
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Demoncarnotaur
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You seem very sure of that. =(
Slightly Live
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Biggest-Geek-Ever
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So you think what was shown at the end of the concept art trailer ISN'T a new enemy?
The Librarian
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I think he's saying the Didact will be the new enemy. A reasonable assumption based one what 343 said in the terminals, but given the way the Forerunners have been treated in past Halo games, I have my doubts.
Slightly Live
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G2 or 05
Also bear in mind that it's a bingo card. With wild cards and things I think have no chance or appearing, in addition to the things I'm almost certain will be. =)
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Man this coming week is going to be so good.
Monday Halo news and Ghost Recon Online closed beta.
Tuesday ME3. And it's all during spring break. Fuck yeah.
Also, I don't know what the didact is, but is there a chance that the "new enemy" may be some type of rogue Forerunner AI (like an "evil" guilty spark?)
I haven't had time to check out any of the new books.
Monday Halo news and Ghost Recon Online closed beta.
Tuesday ME3. And it's all during spring break. Fuck yeah.
Also, I don't know what the didact is, but is there a chance that the "new enemy" may be some type of rogue Forerunner AI (like an "evil" guilty spark?)
I haven't had time to check out any of the new books.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Well, weren't the Forerunners supposed to be humans up until 343 took over the reigns? :lol
Ah-ha, gotcha.
Calvin ball and Homer's car are the certain things, yes?
Slightly Live
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Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I don't know what any of this means!!!
I can only assume you are referencing some main AI that controls the construction of all other forerunner tech... (kind of like that mini installation that was creating a new Halo)
Slightly Live
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My top four suspects for the "big bad" of the next Halo trilogy are (in no particular order);
1) The Master Builder, a disgraced Forerunner who designed and built the Halo array. Assumed dead
2) The Composer, a mystery entity or machine, it is uncertain, that can retard Flood infection and turn living beings into Monitors, preserve living being as coded information and can transfer such coded beings from one form into another
3) The Didact, a military Forerunner leader who fought and won against against ancient Humanity and the being that (as far as we know) activated the Halo array 100,000 years ago
4) The Librarian, a goody two shoes Forerunner who secretly worked with the Master Builder, Didact's lover and responsible for inflicting pain and misery on Humanity for her own needs and purposes
(I', inclined to call her the Karen Travis's Halsey of the Forerunners =P)
Honestly, I hopw it's someone brand new and unknown. It's probably Didact.
If push comes to shove, here's two more.
The Flood. Yep, zombies don't stay dead for long.
343 Guilty Spark. A copy (or the original version) of
Librarian is still alive
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
The Librarian
Banned
Reading about the Composer reminds me how confused Primordium left me. I wish there was a simple-to-read summary of what happened in the novel with definitions explaining the terms introduced over the last two books.
Dani, is FUD still going up with that timeline?
Dani, is FUD still going up with that timeline?
Steelyuhas
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fixed
Slightly Live
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We're doing some shifting around of content originally planned for February, now pushed back to this month, including the Timeline which only exists in early draft form at the moment.
On the bright side, we weren't expecting a Halo 4 reveal this soon, so we'll be able to tie things into any of the relevant information from Halo 4. Should be a fun read, we hope. =)
The Real Napsta
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Cyren, you still on? I still need that headhunter achievement for Anni maps.
Inconsistency is one thing, but adding armor abilities is another. It just means you got one more thing to keep track of. It's not impossible to be able to predict and keep track of people using armor lock, invisibility, evade or sprint, but that doesn't mean I like them as they are in reach.
I think the sweet spot of game mechanics was somewhere between halo 3 and reach. Armor abilities are an interesting idea and have potential to really make gameplay more varied and interesting, but in their current implementation, it all seems to boil down to people picking sprint at more competitive levels. Honestly I wish there were more mechanics, but balancing them has to be a nightmare, as we can see with reach.
That's why Halo 4 is exciting. Bigger, faster spartans with different armor and abilities.
We are still on, you could take my spot after this match.
The Greg Bear novels really are pretty good reads and have interesting and new characters like some of the ones mentioned above.
Cryptum. The perfect bedtime story. Your kid and you would be asleep before you finish the first chapter!
Yea, I know they're from the novels. Part of me would still be really shocked if they go all in with linking the books and games. I know they've stated they want more continuity between them, guess I'm just used to how Bungie ignored them and it just doesn't even register in my head as a possibility.
Demoncarnotaur
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Truthfully, I don't expect anything new to the overall cannon, at least yet, but I hope our enemies will be new from a game perspective. I fully expect the Flood to appear, I just hope it isn't the Flood we know and love/hate.
I really hope the Forerunners appear, and then maybe just maybe the games can touch things such as Precursors and beyond. Also, I speculate that for enemies we may encounter ambient wildlife, such as the Gúta, but more developed and complex.
As for the end of the art trailer I got the feeling it was a Flood infected Forerunner. Man, Monday morning or a leak before that cannot come soon enough.
I really think 343 is approaching the extended cannon from a completely different direction, bringing it into a much more relevant ground, integrating it with the games. I am sure anything that existed in the books but is new to game players will be introduced in such a way that it seems to be brand new, as it most likely would be for the MC. Im pretty excited as it could mean really good things for the overall story.
I really hope the Forerunners appear, and then maybe just maybe the games can touch things such as Precursors and beyond. Also, I speculate that for enemies we may encounter ambient wildlife, such as the Gúta, but more developed and complex.
As for the end of the art trailer I got the feeling it was a Flood infected Forerunner. Man, Monday morning or a leak before that cannot come soon enough.
I really think 343 is approaching the extended cannon from a completely different direction, bringing it into a much more relevant ground, integrating it with the games. I am sure anything that existed in the books but is new to game players will be introduced in such a way that it seems to be brand new, as it most likely would be for the MC. Im pretty excited as it could mean really good things for the overall story.
HiredN00bs
Banned
Man, Squad DLC is so much fun. Falcon splatters FTW.
Just been playing that to get some Defiant achievements... Dear lord 100% bloom is terrible.
Slightly Live
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Didact. Before the end of the Halo 4 art trailer there a symbol that flashes - Didact's. He's most likely given the hints and one more people believe will be.
I don't want it to be Didact for various reasons and hoping it won't be.
I actually hope it's the Librarian and The Composer. That would turn expectations upside down.
In the latest book, the "mother" of the Spartan program was given some "shocking" treatment by some of the characters. She went from being this brilliant scientist to a sick child abuser - all from a different perspective of course. I have this theory about the Librarian. Right now she is seemingly painted as this saintly Forerunner figure, a motherly genius, but I'm sure a different perspective wouldn't paint her in such a nice light.... =)
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