Darkmakaimura
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Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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Exactly. There can be some plotholes, most things have them, even popular stories (stuff like Harry Potter is littered with plotholes). I'm not expecting high-quality literature here, just something that is as you said, not so offensively bad.
Barack Lesnar
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That facebook post has 1463 comments and 1736 likes in 35 minutes. They can't ignore this.
I'd like to believe the higher ups see some merit in the arguments for changing the ending, but after hearing the massive amounts of PR doublespeak and out right lies with regards to the ending prior to release, I'm a little bit more hesitant to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt.
All this twitter shit basically confirms, at least in my mind, that they are going to change the ending in a big way. They are actually scared and nervous for once.
When it happens, this will be recorded in the history of gaming as one of the biggest consumer victories and turnarounds ever, influencing pretty much how everything is handled in the future.
When it happens, this will be recorded in the history of gaming as one of the biggest consumer victories and turnarounds ever, influencing pretty much how everything is handled in the future.
Tokubetsu
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Dying.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Jessica is friends with whats-her-face, the chick who did the Renegade FemShep cosplay, as well as being an active cosplayer herself. As the two got chummy with BioWare due to their cosplay work, BioWare offered her a job as their community manager.
From what I can gather she seems quite nice and a big fan of the games, as well as an active member of the community. I doubt she realised what she was signing up for though, and given she isn't a developer, she's probably copped way more shit than she really deserves.
But, that's her job. Hearing feedback. And feedback she got.
From what I can gather she seems quite nice and a big fan of the games, as well as an active member of the community. I doubt she realised what she was signing up for though, and given she isn't a developer, she's probably copped way more shit than she really deserves.
But, that's her job. Hearing feedback. And feedback she got.
@Zeal Thanks for your speculation. Can't confirm anything now. Keep sending us your feedback.
I wonder what she honestly thinks of the ending.
The only downside I can see to that, is big developers being afraid to do avant-garde stuff.
By all means do it, just know when (and in Mac Walters case, how) to do it appropriately.
BioWare already has a perfectly good ending for Mass Effect 3. Just stop the game with Shephard and Anderson sitting against the dais, looking out through the window. And maybe if you want to get a little more explicit, you show a blinding light signifying either death or the firing of the crucible before the game fades to black.
No space jesus. No ridiculous three choices. No Normandy crash landing with people who have no earthly business being on it.
LyleLanley
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Watch the new ending turn out even shittier. Maybe the whole thing was a dream, or it was just some bullshit story created by a senile old man to get the attention of his grandson.
Oh God. This.
Tokubetsu
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I think it's cool to take risks, as long as you don't half-ass it and idk, make it at least SORT of fit with the rest of the game? Is that too much to ask?
Nah, if they change it they're going to play it as safe as possible.
@Zeal Thanks for your speculation. Can't confirm anything now. Keep sending us your feedback.
I wonder what she honestly thinks of the ending.
I really hate that smiley. I don't know why but I hate it so much.
It's taunting me. All these hours spent playing the ME games.
People who take the bioware hate to personal insults attacks (like the writer pre release) or anything similar post release are scumbags that deserve a worse ending than they got + a punch in the face.
Thunder Monkey
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People are making my head hurt.
The ending sucks? So? It's a damn videogame! You want well thought competent endings? READ A BOOK!
I don't think the vast majority of videogame writers have it in them to weave 30 hour stories around an interactive player controlled narrative. You can't have consistent flow when the player makes the choices on where to go and when.
That's not to say their ending is passable. It seems really sloppy. On the record I don't have the game, but have seen the three endings. They suck... but I never really expected more from Bioware. The pinnacle of your choices boiled down into sacrifice, join, and control.
Not the way I'd have done it, but at least they tried to give you the illusion of choice. A mainstay of the series.
The ending sucks? So? It's a damn videogame! You want well thought competent endings? READ A BOOK!
I don't think the vast majority of videogame writers have it in them to weave 30 hour stories around an interactive player controlled narrative. You can't have consistent flow when the player makes the choices on where to go and when.
That's not to say their ending is passable. It seems really sloppy. On the record I don't have the game, but have seen the three endings. They suck... but I never really expected more from Bioware. The pinnacle of your choices boiled down into sacrifice, join, and control.
Not the way I'd have done it, but at least they tried to give you the illusion of choice. A mainstay of the series.
Barack Lesnar
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Yep, there will be a really happy ending option, despite the lack of a happy ending isn't why it sucks. I wonder if they get it yet. Hudson's letter harped on it not being happy so he doesn't get it. It's been a couple days tho
Tokubetsu
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It's a game, just relax.
When this happens, I expect the fanbase to react very cool headed and grateful. We all know Bioware fucked up hardcore, and they know this too, but when it finally happens...a little respect and thanks should be in order.
What is this garbage logic? Sounds like something vent kid would say. I like competent endings in all forms of storytelling.
The other downside I can think to that is that Mac Walters is probably sitting somewhere shaking his head at how we lowly vidyagamers are not ready to understand his awesome ending, thus when his ending becomes non-canon, he will write with contempt and sneer at us from behind his words in all his future games setting back story-driven games for at least another gen.
Disheveled_Zen
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I busted out laughing when I saw this.
I'll just fanwank it that when the beam light attacked the group, it effectively knocked out Shepard and the crew. They are heavily injured. While the 2 team mates were found nearby, Shepard was buried inside the rubble. He never made it into the light elevator. Anderson, OTOH, did make it, open Citadel's doors, and use the Crucible to destroy the Reapers, thus the explaining the ending with synthetics destruction. Shepard just imagined the whole 3 RGB options thing while he's unconscious. Outside Citadel, Joker picked up the injured crews as well as the rest of them and because they thought Shepard had perished in the attack, they decided to get away from Earth in case the situation gets worse. It's not only later that Shepard found himself conscious from beneath the rubble. /the end
Barack Lesnar
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I bolded the part of your post that's relevant. I'm assuming you didn't play the other Mass Effects either or maybe one. You don't get it... you don't have any attachment to the characters, the places, the entire ME universe. You can't understand.
EatChildren
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Monkey has probably played through ME2 more times than you can dream.
Thunder Monkey
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Hah!
What's wrong with having these on videogames as well? In my opinion, VGs have a very bright future as the quintessential popular genre medium. They might as well start showing they deserve the spot.
Empty Space
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This Pic is amazing.
If it does happen the precedent it sets could be the worse thing ever though. I don't think people who feel the ending needs to change in this case are entitled, but man will it fuel the fire for complaints about every single poor choice a developer makes for probably the next 10 years.
jediyoshi
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Very compelling case.
Tokubetsu
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Tumblr community always does this extreme contrast thingy on pics but I thought this one was rather nice/well-done. In memory of some of the best parts of ME3:
Kaiden and best anything doesn't compute but yea, that's pretty cool.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Then he should get started on 3. If he played ME2 that much why ruin the ending to 3 since he's obv a big fan. How could you do that to yourself Monkey...
"it's just a game! RELAX!" Is only a valid argument against the psyco's that are personally harassing people that are connected to/involved in making the game.
Making posts on a message board explaining why you are not happy with something in a game? A perfectly reasonable response.
Also "it's a game so story should suck" doesn't really hold weight either. The most popular books/tv shows/movies of the day (Twilight/2.5men/transformers as examples) often have writing that is significantly worse than the first 95% of ME3.
Making posts on a message board explaining why you are not happy with something in a game? A perfectly reasonable response.
Also "it's a game so story should suck" doesn't really hold weight either. The most popular books/tv shows/movies of the day (Twilight/2.5men/transformers as examples) often have writing that is significantly worse than the first 95% of ME3.
Your opinion is invalid. Kaidan is better than alien botox cum space racist Ashley.
Actually, it's a good a thing. He will have no expectations, and he would have already gone through the most damaging part of the game without any damage.
Now he can focus on the more important things, like the rest of ME3.
But he's a wino . . .
If I ever replay ME3 I'm making sure both are dead before the end. Like two gigantic turds in the middle of great characters.
I can't be the only person who thought the ending of Fight Club sucked. And like Fight Club, the ending does not spoil the awesomeness of Mass Effect.
Ashley is shit because she's just a terrible person.
Kaiden is shit because he's a fucking vacuum of personality. If ME were a coop series, Kaiden is Player 2.
Kaiden is much worse.
Hey now, let's be truthful, they are both equally terrible.
Companies dug their own grave with increased social networking + the DLC economy. It was going to happen sooner or later.
Imagine if Halo 2 had come out this year instead of 2004 or whatever.
I didn't mind the ending of fight club but
A bad ending after a 10$ movie ticket/dvd and 2 hours? Oh well bummer.
A badly written ending after 180$+ and 100+ hours? CAPS LOCK RAGE
Disheveled_Zen
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I don't think it will. We have had plenty of over-hyped games that came out terrible or had bad endings or were plagued with issues and so on and they never really reached this level of backlash before.
I think the biggest thing is Mass Effect is one of the biggest western RPG's on the market, created by a developer that has been making story based RPGs with an emphasis on story for quite a long time now. Also this was the end of a series, a trilogy, in which players have invested hundreds of hours ensuring they made certain choices along the way. When the last 10 minutes manages to poop all that away, the backlash we are seeing is the result.
If a lesser known game had come out and been fun, but had a terrible ending, I doubt you would see this same kind of response. If anything it will ensure bigger developers take the care and time they should when they have the money/resources for it.
Good luck trying that. It also means sacrificing one of your other characters since you have to bring 2 to the final battle. That's assuming Bioware doesn't go space magic on your ass and resurrect them at the end scene. The only other alternative is to kill ALL of your characters (getting the ending where you don't see anyone coming out of the Normandy shuttle).
I'd rather be around someone nice (who's a bit boring) than a terrible person with superbotoxed face. But I understand that not everyone has good taste in choosing their companions.
Kaiden is better than Ashley not by much though, but Ashley just annoys the hell outta me.
Also, I hated the whole EDI thing... Ugh, so cringeworthy.
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