GI.biz: "Wii U less powerful than PS3, Xbox 360, developers say"

Tookay said:
*Except for online. There's no good excuse for them dragging their feet so much in that arena and they've left a lot of money on the table and hurt their brand power as a result.
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Yeah, this bums me, especially their ho-hum relationships with indy devs, restrictive policies and awful shop design. A part of me feels if Nintendo wants to go cheap to try and steer their way out of market crashes and ballooning budgets, they should really open up the doors to indy devs and allow them to enjoy the ride too. Seems like one of those obvious hand-in-hand relationships that should happen.

Coolwhip said:
What are 'technology fans' doing in the console market? Small, cheap mini PC's shouldn't really interest them. They need to buy a highend PC.
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Buying accessible systems that don't have the arguably higher entry level of a PC. It's not black and white. A lot of people hungry for graphics love new consoles because, even chalked up against PC, they deliver. PC always reigns supreme, but you can still milk console hardware for some glorious looking stuff.

The Wii does not cater to that market in the slightest.
 
Coolwhip said:
What are 'technology fans' doing in the console market? Small, cheap mini PC's shouldn't really interest them. They need to buy a highend PC.
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Consoles, at launch, are traditionally beastly. Owning a PC didn't stop the PS3 being a fearsome piece of consumer electronics at launch. I had to wait for a firmware upgrade before my amp could support all the formats that the PS3 did.
 
The guy say its a good idea to use Vita like Wii U, unless they give away Vita with every PS4 I dont know maybe he just trolling

so many devs just hate Big N and want to see them go under
 
Nintendo is such an odd company; when you'd think they'd zig, they zag. Very hard to predict this one, but I predict much gnashing of teeth come this E3.
 
Coolwhip said:
What are 'technology fans' doing in the console market? Small, cheap mini PC's shouldn't really interest them. They need to buy a highend PC.
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What about "technology fans" who are more interested by games like god of war, halo, gran turismo, uncharted, mario, zelda etc?
 
rezuth said:
I would if Nintendo did release games on other platforms.
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Ironically the only way to make that happen is to not buy any of their consoles :)

Anyway, I personally don't consider Nintendo games to be a step above all other games, but I recognize that other people do. I don't have enough money to buy every console, and I assume most people here don't as well. So everyone has to decide and get the console that gives them the most entertainment for their money.

Complaining about how Wii U should or could be is useless. If it's not to your liking, just don't buy it and get something you DO want instead.

This generation I had to choose the Xbox 360 over the PS3. I recognize this made me lose out on games that I wanted to play like God of War 3. But that's a decision I took and i'm fine with it. I'm not going to complain about how God of War 3 should be on 360 because it will get me nowhere. If I wanted that game that bad, I should have bought the system it was on.
 
Coolwhip said:
Well this time around it will be different no? PC's will be head and shoulders above ps4 and 720.
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Not really. It's relative. A beefy PC still has a beefy PC entry price, and it's still a PC. Someone who loves powerful hardware will be impressed by the next Xbox and PlayStation because, relative to what they currently have, it will be a huge step up. The Wii U probably not so much, and thus will look less appealing by comparison.
 
This seems so out there. The only way I could see this being true is that post-3DS-scare, Nintendo took an axe to Wii-U's budget in order to get the price into a cheaper ballpark. OTOH, after Wii, I think anything's possible with Nintendo and hardware spec.

If this is outrageously untrue I think it shouldn't be long before contrary reports appear. I mean if it isn't true, in the main or otherwise, I'm sure lots of devs are out there shaking their heads, wanting to scream out about it.
 
EatChildren said:
Yeah, this bums me, especially their ho-hum relationships with indy devs, restrictive policies and awful shop design. A part of me feels if Nintendo wants to go cheap to try and steer their way out of market crashes and ballooning budgets, they should really open up the doors to indy devs and allow them to enjoy the ride too. Seems like one of those obvious hand-in-hand relationships that should happen.
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Agreed. Nintendo's overly-insulated attitude - whether purposeful or done out of habit - has lost them some easy allies; indie devs could have covered some holes in their lineups and are also sympathetic to the quirkiness of Nintendo. If I remember correctly, look at the hoops that the SMB developers had to jump through and still couldn't get their game on a Nintendo system.

I also think that their aversion to truly embracing persistent online networks has lost them major mindshare with a decent portion of the gaming population (ie not GAF), who think that online multiplayer is a prerequisite to a good game. I couldn't care less, but for every one of me, there's fifteen 10-year olds at GameFAQs who beg to differ.

It just makes them look incredibly out-of-touch.
 
Maxrunner said:
So what's different between this news and the ign one???one says its 2x the 360 the other says its worse....really???
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At this point people are inclined to believe every shred of information that comes out regarding a console. With Nintendo it's even easier, as even a Janitor for Ubisoft would get given industry insider recognition at this point, especially if the comment is negative.
And I'm not a fanboy here either. It's a simple observation, even on GAF, positive Nintendo news: A few pages, thread dies instantly, negative news or rumours, 700 comments in a few hours from both pro and con. (same happens with IOS and Sony threads regularly as well)

This years E3 is going to be brutal.
 
Tookay said:
Yep, you nailed the vicious cycle. As a Nintendo fan, the last several years have probably been some of its best, in terms of pure quality titles, but it's also frustrated with their (fiscally reasonable yet limiting) hardware and design choices at times. Which is further frustrated when you realize that the reality of the situation demands that they play it somewhat safe on that front.*

But... the games man.
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At times I also feel that way. But when news like the one about SEGA's state of financial shithole comes up, a part of me is always glad that Nintendo... is just still Nintendo.
 
boris feinbrand said:
This years E3 is going to be brutal.
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Correction: It's going to be hilarious.

Laughing Banana said:
At times I also feel that way. But when news like the one about SEGA's state of financial shithole comes up, a part of me is always glad that Nintendo... is just still Nintendo.
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Oh yeah, if it's down to Nintendo being technologically dominant but financially dead, or Nintendo with lesser tech yet still alive and making games I like, I'll always take the latter.
 
Mpl90 said:
Aaaand that's all, folks.
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Mind you, ive never seen a wii u and anything I know is just as much hearsay as this article. But I believe what I've heard more than any website. (I wouldn't be posting in this thread if I knew, fwiw)
 
So we have a low resolution tablet, not enough magic and appearantly not enough power. Seems like they won't even try to dodge the bullet this time.

I'm done with Nintendo and their constant rehashing of the same old titles. DONE!
 
Hasn´t the impressions from devs along with rumors always been that Wii U is at least on par with PS3/360? And this started with impressions from earlier dev kits at E3. The newest dev kits supposedly beeing even better.

And now it´s less powerful all of a sudden? Hard to believe this, unless Nintendo just decided to make some cuts on the hardware. We need more info from other sources.
Until we get more of the same from other sources, I won´t believe this rumor at all.
 
Wasn't there a rumor recently that the NDA on Wii U and its games had ended? Why haven't we gotten any info at all?
Didn't Reggie promise more information about the system in the lead up to E3? Why is it that we still know nothing, absolutely nothing whatsoever?
Such a long blackout might end up hurting Nintendo more than it benefits them.
 
Nibel said:
So we have a low resolution tablet, not enough magic and appearantly not enough power. Seems like they won't even try to dodge the bullet this time.

I'm done with Nintendo and their constant rehashing of the same old titles. DONE!
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You and i both know you will buy a wiuuu if you can get so upset about the lack of POWAH :-V
 
Tookay said:
Correction: It's going to be hilarious.
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I don't know man, I enjoy internet meltdowns from time to time, but there's a limit to the crazy involved that I can take, before facepalming myself into a coma. And the recent WiiU-Durango-Orbis poo flinging contests, disguised as discussion threads are already dumb enough.

Wolfie5 said:
Hasn´t the impressions from devs along with rumors always been that Wii U is at least on par with PS3/360? And this started with impressions from earlier dev kits at E3. The newest dev kits supposedly beeing even better.

And now it´s less powerful all of a sudden? Hard to believe this, unless Nintendo just decided to make some cuts on the hardware. We need more info from other sources.
Until we get more of the same from other sources, I won´t believe this rumor at all.
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But it's a rumour that fits well with the notion of Nintendo cheaping out again. Who needs facts when confirmation bias is working in your favor?
Just like Apple will never make consoles obsolete for many people because of touchscreen only controls. Who needs facts that prove you wrong when you've already made up your mind?
 
Coolwhip said:
What are 'technology fans' doing in the console market? Small, cheap mini PC's shouldn't really interest them. They need to buy a highend PC.
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Consoles are not PCs, they are mass market closed gaming systems with their own games. Technology fans want both highend PCs and powerful consoles (and cutting edge abacus too!).

Also it takes some time until the average PC out there is better than a new console (except for the Wii) as most people gaming on PCs don't have what we define as a highend gaming PC. Don't get fooled by the internet, most people gaming on PC have a computer that's both a few years old and wasn't exactly highend to begin with.
 
Unless there's been some serious downgrades this rumor goes against what we have been hearing for months. And it's not like I expect the Wii U to be a powerhouse or anything.


Sadist said:
I don't know what to believe anymore.

E3 madness started yesterday
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SparkTR said:
I smell a repeat of this generation, expect this time everyone is chasing the casual motion control masses.
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nintendo will only move units if they price the system super cheap and have a must have game that appeals to the masses. only the few die hard fans left will spend $250+ on machine less powerful than a cell phone with an out dated resistive touch screen.
 
If this is true, they should just close the platform, they proved with the wii they can sustain the console by themselves, that way none of this bad press appears at all lol
 
Maxrunner said:
If this is true, they should just close the platform, they proved with the wii they can sustain the console by themselves, that way none of this bad press appears at all lol
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"Wii U owners can look forward to 9 great titles this year!"
 
THQ: “WiiU is just a lot more powerful than current HD consoles it does 1080p very easy.”
Epic: “It will do things current HD consoles simply can't do, it's going to be a powerful box.”
Crytek: “WiiU devkits are very powerful,the specs are very good”
Vigil Games: “We had the game at the same level as high end pc version in a matter of days and a few lines of code got the game up and running on tablet in 5 mins.”
EA: “Wii U is not a transitional platform, it is a true next generation system.”

I'll just leave that here.
 
tkscz said:
THQ: “WiiU is just a lot more powerful than current HD consoles it does 1080p very easy.”
Epic: “It will do things current HD consoles simply can't do, it's going to be a powerful box.”
Crytek: “WiiU devkits are very powerful,the specs are very good”
Vigil Games: “We had the game at the same level as high end pc version in a matter of days and a few lines of code got the game up and running on tablet in 5 mins.”
EA: “Wii U is not a transitional platform, it is a true next generation system.”

I'll just leave that here.
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How about you pack up your lies and go home


:P
 
tkscz said:
THQ: “WiiU is just a lot more powerful than current HD consoles it does 1080p very easy.”
Epic: “It will do things current HD consoles simply can't do, it's going to be a powerful box.”
Crytek: “WiiU devkits are very powerful,the specs are very good”
Vigil Games: “We had the game at the same level as high end pc version in a matter of days and a few lines of code got the game up and running on tablet in 5 mins.”
EA: “Wii U is not a transitional platform, it is a true next generation system.”

I'll just leave that here.
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Lies, Wii U is as powerful as a stop watch
 
jump_button said:
so many devs just hate Big N and want to see them go under
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Of course, that's what it is.

Starting to think that to a few here, Nintendo can really do no wrong.
Nintendo releases hardware significantly weaker than the competition > Hardware power does not matter
No third party games on Nintendo consoles > As long as first party games are good it's all great
Poor online system on a Nintendo system > Local multiplayer is better, so it doesn't matter
Nintendo releases lethal supervirus on an unsuspecting populace > There are too many people on earth anyway

Quite possible to be critical of the company when appropriate and still have a preference for their products.
 
tkscz said:
THQ: “WiiU is just a lot more powerful than current HD consoles it does 1080p very easy.”
Epic: “It will do things current HD consoles simply can't do, it's going to be a powerful box.”
Crytek: “WiiU devkits are very powerful,the specs are very good”
Vigil Games: “We had the game at the same level as high end pc version in a matter of days and a few lines of code got the game up and running on tablet in 5 mins.”
EA: “Wii U is not a transitional platform, it is a true next generation system.”

I'll just leave that here.
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I'll translate them for you:

THQ: 480P+600P = 1080P
Epic: It has two screens.
Crytek: It's better than the Wii!
Vigil: We made a PC game run in 480P!
EA: It has two screens! Next generation!
 
Kabouter said:
Of course, that's what it is.

Starting to think that to a few here, Nintendo can really do no wrong.
Nintendo releases hardware significantly weaker than the competition > Hardware power does not matter
No third party games on Nintendo consoles > As long as first party games are good it's all great
Poor online system on a Nintendo system > Local multiplayer is better, so it doesn't matter
Nintendo releases lethal supervirus on an unsuspecting populace > There are too many people on earth anyway

Quite possible to be critical of the company when appropriate and still have a preference for their products.
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You're acting as if Nintendo fans are the only ones clinging desperately to their narrative.
These threads are basically two sides circle jerking without challenging their own confirmation bias.

Any good critical discussion is usually buried by pages upon pages of cynical rants, snarky one liners and disrespect for other posts. This is also true for everything that involves IOS and Sony.
It's either lol touch only vs. lol 60 Dollar games, or lol Sony incompetence vs. lol no exclusives.

Case in point:
Fjolle said:
I'll translate them for you:

THQ: 480P+600P = 1080P
Epic: It has two screens.
Crytek: It's better than the Wii!
Vigil: We made a PC game run in 480P!
EA: It has two screens! Next generation!
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I don't see how this would be surprising since the Wii and handelds post-PSP.

Plus they have to keep the price down with the tablet.



WiiU will be as powerful as Vita.
 
Kabouter said:
Starting to think that to a few here, Nintendo can really do no wrong.
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I dunno what it is, but after the Wii's early success I was completely convinced that third parties would be forced to jump aboard with their A-teams and give the platform the attention that its sales figures warranted. This didn't happen, and we ended up with a hardcore feedback loop where most of the best core games ended up on PS3/360, so the people who like those sort of games naturally gravitated towards them, which meant that the audience was there, so people kept making the games for them there.

For someone on the outside, it can easily look like developers having some irrational bias against Nintendo. They had a powerful console in the GC, but developers didn't give it a lot of love for various reasons. Then, when they finally get the market leader position, they still don't give them support. This ended up creating bizarro world, where 5 years into the leading console's lifespan it has dwindling support and high quality software droughts, even though the next generation is still quite far off.
 
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