Sony says no to PS Vita price cut
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It's kinda sad if you think about it. Damned if they do and damned if they don't type stuff. The game economy is completely messed up in it's sense of what people want.
Yosp is usually a straight shooter, would have preferred it if he'd told the truth and just said "we're 4 months in, the big Vita games just weren't at a place where we could show them on stage". Instead we get a bold faced lie... " we had all these games on the show floor for our newest piece of hardware, in retrospect you think we shoul'da showed some of 'em? well gosh Jimmy, I would never have thought of that!"
Riposte
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Liberation has to somehow differentiate itself from the annual main series for me to think of it as a big grab. Two Assassin's Creed in one year when I know the next one (which will no doubt improve on the concept) is very close by is a hard sell to make. Moreover it will likely just be outright inferior if it doesn't differentiate itself. For me all it needs to do is be a brutally hard Assassin's Creed, but I doubt that is going to happen.
On the go multiplayer might work for CoD and other games (like Madden), but that would be quite weak.
On the go multiplayer might work for CoD and other games (like Madden), but that would be quite weak.
Yoshida's Journal. June 6th, 2012: PSP carcass in alley this morning, hacked firmware on burst NAND.
This E3 is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The conferences are extended gutters and the gutters are full of vaporware and when the drains finally scab over, all the gamers will drown.
The accumulated filth of all their DLC and PS3ports will foam up about their waists and all the gamers and Vitas will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."
This E3 is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The conferences are extended gutters and the gutters are full of vaporware and when the drains finally scab over, all the gamers will drown.
The accumulated filth of all their DLC and PS3ports will foam up about their waists and all the gamers and Vitas will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."
They only showed 3 of those at the press conference one of which was just a logo. If they have 25 games on they way they should be showing a bunch of games. The Vita is a laughing stock and people who don't follow it have no idea what is coming out aside from what is announced at E3.
DiscoJer
Member
The AC and CoD games could be big. But 2 big third party games in the next 6 months isn't so hot. Where is Borderlands 2? The developer publicly stated they wanted to make a Vita version - why didn't Sony try to make it happen? X-com, Resident Evil 6 are also pretty big games coming out this fall that possibly could have a Vita version (or spin off) but apparently won't. (Personally, for me, X-com on a portable would be a killer app)
And does anyone other than hard core Sony fans really care about those Sony games?
Gran Turismo Vita (a real one), KillZone Vita, God of War Vita, The Last of Us Vita, that Quantic Dreams game Vita. Those would be more appealing than a port of their Smash Bros clone or LBP (which I just didn't think was much fun).
They've basically put all their high profile games on the PS3 and continue to do so - that's the problem if they want the Vita to succeed.
Urban Scholar
Member
A price cut only it's going to fix the problem. Ben Judd on 8-4 latest podcast said it best. Unless they can capture the attention of the random Kmart shopper on the regular it's sales is still a problem.
These are the least anyone should expect before the system is discontinued.
Opus Angelorum
Member
For a company that is sold on its first party output, the PSVita has been hung out to dry.
For all the people quoting all the games available, that's fine. That's what Sony should have done. A 90 second montage reel (as much as I hate those) would have shown it could be worth buying. As it stands to the casual observer it came across that they've given up on the thing.
grimshawish
Banned
They simply can not afford a price cut. Its just a fact.
balladofwindfishes
Member
there's nothing healthy about the ecosystem of the vita's sales.
Cornbread78
Member
Still money well spent for me so far. My guess is the price cut would be after the holidays. It should be a big boost for the system
It's a slow burner for sure, but the post-E3 panic of it being dead and buried is far more unhealthy.
Good grief.
Winnie the Pimp
Member
It's enough that dedicated gaming handhelds are kinda struggling as it is as a viable gaming platform for the future, but THIS is really not helping the case 
3DS on the other hand is doing a LOT better on all fronts!
3DS on the other hand is doing a LOT better on all fronts!
If it gets a price cut it'll probably be a fire sale.
Third-parties are terrified of the thing because it's not selling, it's not selling because it's too expensive and has lackluster software, and Sony doesn't seem to give a fuck about solving either issue.
They've put themselves into some awkward positions over the last decade, but this is by far the worst. They don't have the money to buy their way out of this one, and E3 showed they clearly have no plan. I genuinely think there's a good chance this becomes Sony's Virtual Boy or TouchPad.
Third-parties are terrified of the thing because it's not selling, it's not selling because it's too expensive and has lackluster software, and Sony doesn't seem to give a fuck about solving either issue.
They've put themselves into some awkward positions over the last decade, but this is by far the worst. They don't have the money to buy their way out of this one, and E3 showed they clearly have no plan. I genuinely think there's a good chance this becomes Sony's Virtual Boy or TouchPad.
Dead Prince
Banned
and they expecting this to sell 10 million? LOL good luck with that.
Opus Angelorum
Member
When Sony said the PSVita would be profitable within three years, this was based on projected sales.
Well before E3 it was a case of 'let's wait until E3'...now it will be 'let's wait until TGS'.
Captain Tuttle
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Lagspike_exe
Member
PSP + Vita is projected to sell 10m. Sony usually has a +/- 10% margin of error.
DiscoJer
Member
No, they think PSP+Vita will sell 16 million, with 6 million of that being the PSP...
(from the original article)
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Yoshida is incompetent. He let MH go. He did not get massive Japanese SF support for the Via. I wish gaffers would stop worshipping him.
GTP_Daverytimes
Member
Yep, like i said a few months back Sony will inevitably start a trend if they cut the Vita price. Having two big companies [Nintendo then Sony] do it for their new consoles back to back will give people the impetus not to buy any new consoles in the future, their thought process will be "it's going to get a price cut anyways so why bother spending money". It could lead to the downfall of the industry, i don't know why any serious gamer here in gaf will want that to happen. People have to start thinking farther out.
But he tweets like a normal dude so he's super cool.
If they won't do a price cut, I just wish they would bundle in at least a 4GB Memory card. Even though I own one, a lot of gaming friends I know won't bite because of game pricing structure and memory card charges.
Sigh. I'm really, really excited about Gravity Rush. I really hope they come out soon with some really killer titles- I think Little Big Planet coming soon will also be wonderful. I'm also not sure if the cross-platform ideas will work unless the bundle packaging for both products of PS3/Vita owners makes sense and is affordable...
Sigh. I'm really, really excited about Gravity Rush. I really hope they come out soon with some really killer titles- I think Little Big Planet coming soon will also be wonderful. I'm also not sure if the cross-platform ideas will work unless the bundle packaging for both products of PS3/Vita owners makes sense and is affordable...
DiscoJer
Member
I would have to think that the AC bundle will come with the Vita, Game, and a memory card for a price that is less than buying separately.
The PSP bundles were generally $30 higher than the base PSP price ($200 vs $170), so if the bundle follows that pricing, it wouldn't be too bad.
16m .... combined they'll be lucky to hit 8 at this rate.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Haha beat me to it
Sintoid
Member
So sad so true
They are doing mem card and game bundles for the same price. It was mentioned when they showed off the EU bundles
And wait... gearbox wanted to do a vita version of borderlands borderlands 2 and its not happening? That's more upsetting to me then E3
They announced 2 bundles that comes with a card and a game.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
I agree with the sentiment of what he is saying, in theory it is great. People would be willing to pay the current price in order to have a AAA gaming experience on a handheld, however this is reliant on having AAA games. It seems like they need to either make sure as hell a load of AAA titles appear or target the product at the lower end with a cheaper price, it seems at the moment though they have done neither.
I would expect them by now to have announced a Gran Turismo, Killzone and God of War (even if they are 2013) and move heaven and earth to get something like a Monster Hunter out ASAP.
Personally I love Vita and play it way more than I probably have any other handheld, but I do worry about the lack of titles shown. I can see why the general public would think twice before buying one.
At least he recognises the memory card issue too. I have no problem them using storage cards as at least you can keep expanding your storage, but if they are trying to encourage people to buy digitally then they seriously need to slash the cost of them or should have used Micro SD. I have filled my 16GB and now should be moving on to getting a 32GB too, but at £60 I haven't bothered. All it is achieving now is stopping me buying games digitally on a whim, which for them should be their main way of getting my money.
I would expect them by now to have announced a Gran Turismo, Killzone and God of War (even if they are 2013) and move heaven and earth to get something like a Monster Hunter out ASAP.
Personally I love Vita and play it way more than I probably have any other handheld, but I do worry about the lack of titles shown. I can see why the general public would think twice before buying one.
At least he recognises the memory card issue too. I have no problem them using storage cards as at least you can keep expanding your storage, but if they are trying to encourage people to buy digitally then they seriously need to slash the cost of them or should have used Micro SD. I have filled my 16GB and now should be moving on to getting a 32GB too, but at £60 I haven't bothered. All it is achieving now is stopping me buying games digitally on a whim, which for them should be their main way of getting my money.
thiscoldblack
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Knowing they needed to push the Vita the most do to being new, they didn't even care to at least show a reel/montage of these "25 new games". What? Can't waste 3 minutes on this? Excuses, excuses. As a Vita owner, I am very disappointed. This thing has potential and Sony is just messing it up in every possible moment. E3 should've been the place to highlight Vita the most and announce plans to reduce memory card prices.
Lagspike_exe
Member
He's the president of WWS, as in he manages first party development. He should be aplauded for his efforts in leading Sony's internal development.
Vyse The Legend
Member
Good effort, but Sony only showed two of those games. For all people know, the Vita really has no games. They created that stigma.
Neko Mimi Mode
Member
No games, no price cut, no compelling reasons to purchase.
In the end, the Vita will just be another nail in the coffin of Sony. Maybe even one of the smaller ones.
In the end, the Vita will just be another nail in the coffin of Sony. Maybe even one of the smaller ones.
The Elite
BOSS
I thought this was confirmed yesterday?
Or was it just a rumor?
Edit:
They're showing it at E3.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=477195
Goldrusher
Member
SCEE is way ahead of you.
Over here, the RBS pack even includes a voucher for Resistance Retribution.
grimshawish
Banned
I've posted a lot about Sony's lack of strategy in sales threads; but its obvious they never launched this thing with anything really in mind.
Its the wrong product. I just don't see how they can make money out of it.
Can't say I agree. Products have seen price drops since the beginning of time.
The issue is that you have to launch at the right price. 3DS/Vita didn't - although I think Vita is the right price for that product, its just the wrong product.
Thats what I think the main issue is, Vita is just wrong - its got too many additional features and is just that bit too powerful. It costs too much to produce and thus to buy.
We know now that £150 is pretty much the maximum for a handheld and I'd expect Nintendo to take on losses with new systems for the first year in the future.
DiscoJer
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Maybe (might have spoken too definitely). We had a thread on here at least about it
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=464466