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But religion existed far before that, mankind never "rose against" the Engineers (unless we're missing some pretty big chunks of history), I'm not sure what good it ever did the Engineers that mankind used to consider them to be gods (if it did), ...

The unification of faith? whereas before people believed in numerous gods, would offer sacrifices to sate the gods, etc they suddenly decided to start following/believing in one god that didn't require sacrifice or a high level of subservience? It's not well explained, but the timeline does give some hints as to what message the movie was trying to convey.

Or maybe they simply wanted to create a weapon, they figured out how to do it and decided to turn the planet into a alien factory. Maybe we're looking too much into certain aspects like the dates when the answer is something as simple the engineers finally figuring out how to create aliens. Maybe the timeline is a coincidence?

I'm not sure what to infer from the guy caressing then ripping off David's head, to tell you the truth. Mixed messages.

We loved you, you were the best of us, etc but you're also our greatest failure/unrealized potential?

Maybe they wanted to use humanity as a way to further their species? Humanity rose up/turned on them so they decided to destroy them and start over?

Maybe Earth was the only planet where they were able to create gumans/a species that resembled them?
 
the stuff that mattered was never explained, because ~speculations also maybe sequel~ intentions of the shit writers, and the stuff that didn't matter such as the whole faith aspect that went nowhere, or the part about theron being weyland's daughter were completely asinine and useless to the overall plot and would not have made a difference if they were in or not. Another example: Zombie biologist. The point of that was.....?

You're gonna have to define what didn't get explained, because a lot of it was visually communicated. Everything that happened with the Jockeys was basically a silent story, and rightfully so as they're aliens. You're complaining about the silent story not giving you words. If they spoke and we had subtitles on aliens that were explaining things, then it'd just be stupid. Half the point of aliens in alien is that we can't quite comprehend them. Making the aliens directly comprehensible ruins the point of them being aliens.

Zombie biologist was to distract the crew from what was happening elsewhere on the ship. That did actually have a reason, and it was obvious enough that I noted it as it was happening.

The ship we see in Alien surely must have crashed with the facehugger-eggs onboard long before Prometheus happens?

My thoughts on the matter:

-While this wasn't the same planet as in Alien, we can conclude that a similar thing occurred. Th Engineers being of the same, or mostly the same, DNA can be presumed to generate the same kind of alien when mixing with the fluid in odd ways. Thus causing xenomorphs to come about despite the difference in location.

Hopefully that's comprehensible without the rest of the post. The Engineer's problem could happen in the same manner in distinct places because of the apparent genetic nature of the virus.
 
The mural in the ship depicts a Xenomorph that looks pretty much exactly alike the one seen at the end, so that can't have been the first facehugger.
 
"You just didn't get it!"

I know where you come from, but honestly there's been so many obvious things people have missed in the movie it's not even funny. I'm not grasping straws here, there's someone on every page asking;

"was Vickers an android"
"what was the engineer doing in the beginning"
"why the engineers were dead"
"were there xenos before prometheus"
"why David did what he did"
"why is Weyland on board"
"why Shaw is afraid of the crew after she knew she was pregneant"

And the list goes on forever. These are all questions that were answered in the movie and very clearly so.
 
You're gonna have to define what didn't get explained, because a lot of it was visually communicated. Everything that happened with the Jockeys was basically a silent story, and rightfully so as they're aliens. You're complaining about the silent story not giving you words. If they spoke and we had subtitles on aliens that were explaining things, then it'd just be stupid. Half the point of aliens in alien is that we can't quite comprehend them. Making the aliens directly comprehensible ruins the point of them being aliens.

Zombie biologist was to distract the crew from what was happening elsewhere on the ship. That did actually have a reason, and it was obvious enough that I noted it as it was happening.

IMO, the title ALIEN did not only refer to the creatures. I like that this film kept things alien (adjective, not noun).

I also agree with you about "silent story."

In another thread, people were asking about the male-optimized surgical pod. They missed that it was there as a clue that someone male lived in those quarters, with Theron who is female. I liked that Scott and Lindelof did not make a big deal about explaining these things. They expect you to watch.
 
I'm really simply amazed at everything this movie did. There was so much there that me and my friends spent the whole ride home dissecting it!

Some of us came out wondering if there was some kind of cycle occurring, life creating life creating life. An interesting proposition that pokes fun at the notion of a god. God created us, but what created god?

What really impressed though, was that all the questions you guys are asking, could be logically answered based on what we've seen in the movie, without things being spelled out. That we're able to sit here, analyze the evidence and come up with theories that generally point in the same direction just goes to show how well crafted a movie this was.

People giving the movie serious knocks for small points in the plot that could have been done better are paying to much attention to things that ultimately don't matter a whole lot in the grand scheme of the film.

Things of note:
-Engineers seed life, seemingly on purpose.
-Engineer fluid reacts to different life forms differently. It reacts to the worms differently than it reacts to the Engineers, and the humans and even sperm.
-Lets note that sperm don't exactly have the same genetic stuff as a full human.
-The implication that the xenomorph started out as a sperm retroactively makes Alien that much better! It strengthens all the sexual themes and implications of rape throughout the entire series!
-The 'tentacle thing' at the end was the first face hugger. That much is pretty obvious, especially considering what follows.
-While this wasn't the same planet as in Alien, we can conclude that a similar thing occurred. Th Engineers being of the same, or mostly the same, DNA can be presumed to generate the same kind of alien when mixing with the fluid in odd ways. Thus causing xenomorphs to come about despite the difference in location.
-That the aliens were not the original weapon, as presumed by many, is a great twist on things.
-The Engineers are spreading life for some reason, and that reason seems to be hinted at. They are clearly seeking to create weapons for war. The fluid is clearly a weapon of war. How do they make the fluid? And in such large amounts as they had? My friends and I came to the conclusion that they seed life to break it down into the fluid. Life is, for the Engineers, a thing to be harvested at a certain point, and not allowed to rival them. They're trying to eliminate whatever is threatening them, not seed more creatures that could possibly threaten them. Hence their wanting to go to earth and break down life. Answering the invitation was the cue to go harvest them.
-The thing this implies is that the Engineers are fighting something. THAT is the only thing that can't really be answered based on the movie alone. They could be fighting themselves, or something we don't even know about yet. You gotta be making weapons to use against something after all.

Other notes:
-Weyland puts special emphasis on David being like a son, and overlooks his daughter a whole lot. That's an interesting and subtle thing I didn't realize till after the movie.
-The scene where they awaken the Engineer is great. They all yell at him to ask their question. Then you don't get to know what he asks him, which in and of itself builds on David's character, and the ramification of the question is the head getting ripped off. What seems to have happened is the Engineer realized that, in keeping with the above, it was harvest time. Something along the lines of 'how beautiful what we have created, time to get rid of it'.
-The end is a fantastic setup. Head of super smart robot and Noomi Rapace flying through space trying to find the root of all things. If they made a sequel based on that premise, it would be a true space odyssey. Amazing potential.

And then this doesn't even get into what the murals in the one room meant, and what that translucent green thing was. We had no idea and have resolved to go see the movie again to try and figure it out.

But ya, the concern going into this was 'they're going to ruin the Jockey mystery by not answering the mystery in a good manner'. They answered the Jockey mystery amazingly, and have purposely replaced that riddle with a new, and equal, one. That is an astounding achievement.
Awesome post.
 
Was just reading about the initial reception of Alien on Wikipedia:

Religious zealots set fire to the model of the space jockey, believing it to be the work of the devil.

Man, they must seriously hate Prometheus.
 
The unification of faith?
Did that ever happen? ^^;

Maybe we're looking too much into certain aspects like the dates when the answer is something as simple the engineers finally figuring out how to create aliens. Maybe the timeline is a coincidence?
Lindelof certainly is hinting as something having happened on Earth 2000 years ago...

What year does Alien take place? I can't remember, even though I've seen the movie at least a fifty times over the years.
I'm not sure it's even said during the movie, actually? This would explain that.
A 1976 draft of the script set the movie in 2087, for what it's worth (not much as far as Prometheus is concerned, obviously).


In another thread, people were asking about the male-optimized surgical pod. They missed that it was there as a clue that someone male lived in those quarters, with Theron who is female.
"Amusing" that such a machine would be gender-specific though...
 
This guy is pretty spot on:

Enjoyable, pleasent to look at, bad scifi.

Ok, so the film is great fun. Saw it in the cinema and consider it to have been a good night out. The visual effects for the alien computers were ace. The ship was a great design. Some of the incidental background shots were stunning. A visual feast.

But the script... bad. Some parts were really bad. So many cliches. The captain, black and full of attitude. His sidekick is asian, gambles with colleagues and is always operating tech. One of the film's protagonists is a scientist who starts drinking within minutes of discovering the mission won't meet his preconceived ideas. His lover and soulmate discovers critical DNA evidence relating to the mission but doesn't tell him for hours (even though he's in the next room) because we need him to get drunker so an android can trick him. Its hammy.

And the scifi? Well not good. An archaeologist takes one look at some organic material and declares she can revive it by delivering 30amps and "no more". It twitches. "40amps!" it springs to life. Urrh, is this 1920's Frankenstein? The next room contains a medical device of such complexity that we're told only 12 were ever made, couldn't she have used that?

And more to the point - Alien worked because they weren't scientists and had no idea what they were getting into. These guys KNOW they're off to meet alien life and they've spent a trillion dollars and years doing it. But they didn't spend any time planning their contact procedures. No isolation procedures. No remote scans. They carry the flying drones onto the surface as if they have a fetish for getting in harms way. A better script would have had them start with a proper plan and a properly prepped team... and then it could have descended into hell. No one spends a trillon dollars on a mission and leaves it up to a couple of archaeologists to make up as they go along, even if the main team are patsys for the android's secret mission.

ramble ramble.

Look, I enjoyed the film. It was fun. But even in 1960's star trek they arrived at a planet and scanned it before beaming down to a relevant spot. In this film they charge into the atmosphere and cruise around before chancing upon the alien installation. 2 lines of dialogue could have made it believable, this kind of thing happens all the way through the film.

Horror? No. There was plenty of giggles in the cinema when the aliens were on the screen. There is a fine line where you go over the top, and this was right on the limit. The aliens were over-lit (especially on the ship) and nothing was left to the imagination.

So good film, good fun. But once the visuals date I don't think anyone will be watching it.

This guy too

On the second trip down, why don't they take a weapon with them when they have two scientists completely missing in an area where a bunch of huge blue men mysteriously died? Why doesn't that freak them out? I thought that one merc having the flamethrower was supposed to be foreshadowing for them taking it with them the second time, but it only exists so Vickers can torch Holloway with it. The reason the plot can't allow them to take it down the second time is because that flamethrower would have completely and effortlessly torched the vase room. I know characters make mistakes in stressful situations, but that wasn't a mistake, it was characters not being characters because it would be inconvenient for the writer.

Why do they take their helmets off at every single opportunity? But it doesn't matter because they're able to re-equip it between cuts when it's necessary for them to get outside fast - even when the characters are wounded and running for their lives! In addition to Fifield and the biologist dude having maps, how'd they get lost when everyone else were such expert navigators? When the sandstorm comes, they fuck off for what feels like ten minutes then get outside instantly. Shaw teleports in and out of the place like she lives there.

What the fuck was up with the ship hierarchy? Who the fuck was in command? Everyone was giving everyone else orders depending on what the plot needed. Why were Shaw and Holloway there at all? Why did Weyland fake his death when no one (still alive) in the crew seemed to give a shit that he wasn't dead? Why was Vickers such a useless character?

When zombie Fifield attacks, where did all of those redshirts in the hangar come from? Were they just hanging out there the whole time? Why'd the super-cautious pilot tell them to open the door? Zombie Fifield has the biggest bodycount in the entire film. He murders like eight dudes. Barely anyone else dies in comparison. Why did zombie Fifield go back to the ship at all?

The answer to every question is always "because the plot needed it to happen" - this movie is a mess.
 
This movie could have been better if it was longer yet much more detailed, which I don't mind to be honest.
 
I have always thought Alien took place in 207X. There is a date early in the movie on one of the computer screens I believe.
 
So you just posted a couple of random rants from people who didn't even understand some of the basic concepts in the movie. Great job.

It was "gender-calibrated", which makes sense.
... Thanks for elaborating in both cases, I guess?


It's not.
Needs an update.
Maybe Vickers was just using an older firmware so that she could play a Tetris ROM while her father was getting his prostate examined...
 
So you just posted a couple of random rants from people who didn't even understand some of the basic concepts in the movie. Great job.

It was the basic concepts in the movie that were horseshit to begin with

I think the problem here is you either didn't read the posts, or you didn't think the issues pointed out were issues, which if anything reflects on you not them.

Fantastic post. And as a scifi fan the bolded part is what I found especially exciting as the movie was wrapping up. It reminds me a lot of Halo 3's post-credits ending scene and I wouldn't be surprised if that's where the general idea was ripped from (Protagonist accompanied with super smart AI heading to the home planet of their founders).

Kind of surprised there are as many people on gaf are complaining about the sheer awesomeness of the pulpy ending as there are.

I can't tell if you're trolling or what. Is today opposite day and no one told me?
 
I'm really simply amazed at everything this movie did. There was so much there that me and my friends spent the whole ride home dissecting it!

Some of us came out wondering if there was some kind of cycle occurring, life creating life creating life. An interesting proposition that pokes fun at the notion of a god. God created us, but what created god?

What really impressed though, was that all the questions you guys are asking, could be logically answered based on what we've seen in the movie, without things being spelled out. That we're able to sit here, analyze the evidence and come up with theories that generally point in the same direction just goes to show how well crafted a movie this was.

People giving the movie serious knocks for small points in the plot that could have been done better are paying to much attention to things that ultimately don't matter a whole lot in the grand scheme of the film.

Things of note:
-Engineers seed life, seemingly on purpose.
-Engineer fluid reacts to different life forms differently. It reacts to the worms differently than it reacts to the Engineers, and the humans and even sperm.
-Lets note that sperm don't exactly have the same genetic stuff as a full human.
-The implication that the xenomorph started out as a sperm retroactively makes Alien that much better! It strengthens all the sexual themes and implications of rape throughout the entire series!
-The 'tentacle thing' at the end was the first face hugger. That much is pretty obvious, especially considering what follows.
-While this wasn't the same planet as in Alien, we can conclude that a similar thing occurred. Th Engineers being of the same, or mostly the same, DNA can be presumed to generate the same kind of alien when mixing with the fluid in odd ways. Thus causing xenomorphs to come about despite the difference in location.
-That the aliens were not the original weapon, as presumed by many, is a great twist on things.
-The Engineers are spreading life for some reason, and that reason seems to be hinted at. They are clearly seeking to create weapons for war. The fluid is clearly a weapon of war. How do they make the fluid? And in such large amounts as they had? My friends and I came to the conclusion that they seed life to break it down into the fluid. Life is, for the Engineers, a thing to be harvested at a certain point, and not allowed to rival them. They're trying to eliminate whatever is threatening them, not seed more creatures that could possibly threaten them. Hence their wanting to go to earth and break down life. Answering the invitation was the cue to go harvest them.
-The thing this implies is that the Engineers are fighting something. THAT is the only thing that can't really be answered based on the movie alone. They could be fighting themselves, or something we don't even know about yet. You gotta be making weapons to use against something after all.

Other notes:
-Weyland puts special emphasis on David being like a son, and overlooks his daughter a whole lot. That's an interesting and subtle thing I didn't realize till after the movie.
-The scene where they awaken the Engineer is great. They all yell at him to ask their question. Then you don't get to know what he asks him, which in and of itself builds on David's character, and the ramification of the question is the head getting ripped off. What seems to have happened is the Engineer realized that, in keeping with the above, it was harvest time. Something along the lines of 'how beautiful what we have created, time to get rid of it'.
-The end is a fantastic setup. Head of super smart robot and Noomi Rapace flying through space trying to find the root of all things. If they made a sequel based on that premise, it would be a true space odyssey. Amazing potential.

And then this doesn't even get into what the murals in the one room meant, and what that translucent green thing was. We had no idea and have resolved to go see the movie again to try and figure it out.

But ya, the concern going into this was 'they're going to ruin the Jockey mystery by not answering the mystery in a good manner'. They answered the Jockey mystery amazingly, and have purposely replaced that riddle with a new, and equal, one. That is an astounding achievement.

Fantastic post. And as a scifi fan the bolded part is what I found especially exciting as the movie was wrapping up. It reminds me a lot of Halo 3's post-credits ending scene and I wouldn't be surprised if that's where the general idea was ripped from (Protagonist accompanied with super smart AI heading to the home planet of their creators).

Kind of surprised there are as many people on gaf are complaining about the sheer awesomeness of the pulpy ending as there are.
 
PS! At the end of the credits the Weyland logo came up and it implied something would happen on October 11th 2012. Anyone?
 
Only a couple things really irked me about the plot, the guy that had the mapping system getting lost and the girls not running sideways at the end. A lot of things I think were meant to be mysterious and a lot of people aren't getting stuff too.

Overall, I really enjoyed the film and can't wait for the sequel. I'm no expert on Alien mythology, but in regards to the giant ass face hugger, could it be that it had to be that strong to be able to infect the space humans?
 
Flick does a good job of returning to the original's synopsis as a "haunted house in space," as opposed to being about a specific, known creature, like in the sequels.
 
Is that specified during the movie? Deduced from the sequels?
There was an easter egg on the DVD release that specified the events on Acheron taking place in 2122.

It is also referenced in Aliens.

An easter egg on the Alien Legacy DVD states that the year of their arrival on Acheron is 2122. It's logical, since in Aliens, 57 years later, Ripley mentions the order given by Burke to investigate the derelict, which was dated '79.
 
It is should be stated in the beginning of Alien.
Source: http://time.absoluteavp.com/time1.html
Doesn't look like there's a year given, based on this...
(thanks for the site!)


There was an easter egg on the DVD release that specified the events on Acheron taking place in 2122.
It is also referenced in Aliens.
Yes, I figured it was likely to be deduced from the sequels (especially Aliens)...
All right, 2122 it is, then!
 
It was the basic concepts in the movie that were horseshit to begin with

Meaning of life, human origin, ancient precursors, hideous monsters and artificial life. These all are my cup of tea where sci-fi goes. What would you have preferred instead of these themes?

... Thanks for elaborating in both cases, I guess?

I'm not going to dwell too deep into them, them being just random splurges from somewhere I don't even know but:

The first guy thinks the scientists were trying to "revive" the engineer head.
He also ponders why they didn't use the medpod, which is silly. The thing that makes it so valuable is that it is fully automated. Not because it would somehow exceed human skills.
He also goes on how there were no scientists in the first alien (there was a science officer on board) and how the crew of Prometheus doesn't have any kind of isolation/scanning procedures (which both they had and used in the movie).

My guess is this guy read this thread and never even saw the movie.

And the second guy brings up genius questions like:

Why were Shaw and Holloway there at all? Why did Weyland fake his death when no one (still alive) in the crew seemed to give a shit that he wasn't dead? Why was Vickers such a useless character?




You're welcome.
 
Don't call me captain obvious if this has been discussed before, but I think it was that engineer at the beginning who lead to the creation of human. His DNA exploded and turned into some other DNA in the water.
 
The first guy thinks the scientists were trying to "revive" the engineer head.
I honestly don't remember what they were trying to do.

He also ponders why they didn't use the medpod, which is silly. The thing that makes it so valuable is that it is fully automated. Not because it would somehow exceed human skills.
Was it? Why was it so important to have one on board, then? Did they expect Weyland to be left by himself? He certainly had no reason to feel lonely, based on what we've seen in the movie...

He also goes on how there were no scientists in the first alien (there was a science officer on board)
Pretty sure the point was that the Alien guys were space truckers confronted with completely unforeseen circumstances, whereas the Prometheus ones were supposed to be a crack team of experts on a scientific mission. And it stands.

and how the crew of Prometheus doesn't have any kind of isolation/scanning procedures (which both they had and used in the movie).
"Let's all remove our helmets!"

And the second guy brings up genius questions like:
... Yes?


How did you get that out of the film?
"Faith is awesome, shut up, you rude skeptics!" + a bunch of references to christianity + the "2000 years ago" thing?
 
The medpod was there for emergencies. I don't understand how you could miss this unless you were sleeping during the movie. And yes they trusted their future scanners on the atmosphere. Crazy shit.
 
Even mixed to negative reviews for this film seem to give it brownie points for grappling with big ideas, but I was stunned at how lacking in interesting thoughts it was.
After all the discussion about how daunting it would be to face their maker, the space jockey doesn't even speak.
If he had to turn into a generic B-movie monster, couldn't he at least have left us with something to chew on beforehand? Space jockey stands calmly until David is ready to pose a question, and then suddenly starts killing everyone. It felt to me like Spaihts, Lindelof and Scott couldn't think of any interesting way of grappling with the concepts the script fools people into believing it will tackle, so they avoided even bothering and took the movie in the dumbest possible direction instead.
It's bad enough that the principal idea gradually degrades from 'where do we come from, and why' to 'why do they want to kill us', but then the answer gets withheld for the sequel.
Fucking fantastic. Fuck you.

So glad I got to see this for free.
 
I liked the movie (probably a 3.5/5). The problem is that you can see the potential of it being so much better with a few changes and tweaks.

The scene where the biologist and geologist (?) get lost: They have these amazing mapping-robots, they have cameras on their suits, they have radio-contact and nobody notices that all the vehicles are still there when they leave. They don't contact anyone asking for directions. Nobody on the ship seems to be monitoring anything that is going on or they would know that they were heading back early. It just gets silly when they suddenly notice that they are lost/missing.

Would it have been hard to have a scenario where one of the mapping-things malfunctions and those two guys go to fix it, then the storm comes along and those two guys don't make it out in time and have to wait behind?

In that scenario they could have added some tension by having the communication not working because of the storm and then when it's over they can't reach them. A team goes back to look for them and as they find one of them dead they start to hear panicked screams on the radio from the ship as the "zombie-guy" has made his way back and is going berserk on the ship.

I can't believe they made a huge movie like this and nobody noticed that a lot of stuff doesn't make any sense. Some scenes feel like they made something up in 5 minutes as they were shooting it.
 
"Faith is awesome, shut up, you rude skeptics!" + a bunch of references to christianity + the "2000 years ago" thing?

And then the crushing realization of the engineers most likely creating humanity and/or life just for testing purposes and now wanting to wipe us out of existence. The engineers 'invitation' turning into a trap that killed everything Shawn loved.
So much for faith being awesome.
 
-The 'tentacle thing' at the end was the first face hugger. That much is pretty obvious, especially considering what follows.
It is evident that this is not true. Unfortunately.

And I say "unfortunately" because if it had been the first facehugger, and the resulting alien had been the first queen, it would have made so much more sense. Oh yeah, and to set it on the same planet as Alien(s).

I can deal with the other ambiguous stuff, more or less, but am getting bored of theories that people are just plucking out of the air. The film should have done a better job of clarifying some ideas. But mostly I can deal with it.

The xenomorph life cycle, however, is a fucking logistical mess.
 
And then the crushing realization of the engineers most likely creating humanity and/or life just for testing purposes and now wanting to wipe us out of existence. The engineers 'invitation' turning into a trap that killed everything Shawn loved.
So much for faith being awesome.
Does that bother her all that much, in the end? She still has faith. "Where's my cross?"
 
What kind? Didn't you say the point was that it was fully automated?

What kind? The machine was designed so that the patient needs nothing but the machine. There's a little hint for you.


Because those couldn't miss one single germ? Holy shit, future scanners.

If this was a flaw in the movie, then all sci-fi drama is inherently flawed. The crew being able breath in the dome, told us that indeed an artificial atmosphere mirroring EARTH was created there. Something you might've missed.
 
And then the crushing realization of the engineers most likely creating humanity and/or life just for testing purposes and now wanting to wipe us out of existence. The engineers 'invitation' turning into a trap that killed everything Shawn loved.
So much for faith being awesome.

Yeh, I didn't pick up any pro-Christian bias in the movie at all. If anything it shows humans to be nothing special, at best an incubator and at worst a petty annoyance, in the grand scheme of things. Humans are just another stupid instinctive animal.
 
The xenomorph life cycle, however, is a fucking logistical mess.

Right, they completely fucked everything up in this. You see a statue of a proper xenomorph as we see in the original Alien so the Engineers did have contact with our lovable and misunderstood beasts however we have no clue why or even how.

What we have here is some weird new octo-facehugger, possibly a larger version based on a concentrated dose of the magical black goo. We also know the black goo modifies your genetic material as seen by the worms. The effect on humans and Engineers is rather unclear which is absolutely bullshit due to its importance but we know four effects; it drives you mad, it gives you superhuman abilities, can make your head explode, and if you fuck someone while infected then they give birth to superfacehugger as we saw.

Lindeloff proving that he learned fucking nothing from LOST.
 
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