perfectchaos007
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I like to think Lebron James is the greatest of all time. That way I can continue to say I have just as many championship rings as the greatest basketball player ever. It's good for a self esteem boost
2012 NBA Finals |OT| Good Job, Good Effort
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Black Mamba
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what? You ever see him in the 80s?
Jordan utilized change of pace more, because he's smarter. But dude was about as athletic and as fast as any 6'4+ dude has ever been in the NBA. Lebron being the exception.
Not like Wade's speed would even matter.
The 94 team was terrible, played like thugs and showed no respect to anyone. Even themselves.
iamshadowlark
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Um yes. 92 was the year after they got back end swept by the bulls where horace fucking grant was dropping like 20 on him. And how the fuck is old kidd the best when there was deron and fucking CP3. That five you list there is a fucking wash.
MorisUkunRasik
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Just finished the dream team doc, great watch.
reminds me........
reminds me........
Not underestimating their athleticism, I don't think enough credit is given to the elite players from 20 years ago and how athletic they were.
I don't necessarily think LeBron would blow their minds, considering at his athletic peak Charles Barkley was 285lbs and could do this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0COm1MfaWM
Is there anyone today @ 6"6 280lbs that can grab a board and go coast to coast like the Round mound at 1:55?
iamshadowlark
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Man hell no. Don't let current wade murk your vision.
And these types of games are all about transistion and running. LBJ, CP3, Wade, Dwight would run their asses out of the gym.
perfectchaos007
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Just finished the dream team doc, great watch.
reminds me........
LeBronze
iamshadowlark
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Lebron blows chucks mind today and he isn't even playing. Please. Dream teams only hope would be extremely physical play.
Black Mamba
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Magic averaged like 19.5-12.5-7 his last [real] season. Horace Grant wasn't being guarded by Magic. And Worthy was hurt.
And Kidd started so I used that, but it's fine, go with Cp3. Same shit. lol @ 6 foot Cp3 playing defense on 6'9 Magic, though. or would it be MJ?
A fucking wash. You are hilarious.
Magic > Cp3/Deron/Kidd that season. Still.
MJ > Kobe
Bird/Pippen > Wade
Barkley = Lebron (i will be nice and give you this)
DRob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dwight
Black Mamba
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How would the Dream team get run out the gym? are you palmer?
Magic, the architect of showtime isn't getting run out of anything. he invented running you out of the gym.
Jordan at his prime was an athletic freak.
Pippen was also amazing and he was KNOWN for stopping speedy, smaller point guards
Barkley was an entirely up tempo player for a huge part of his career.
D-Robinson was Dwight Howard before dwight Howard. The super athletic freak of nature at 7 feet who could run up and down the court with anyone. Only, he had a great offensive game to go with it. D-Rob would shit into Dwight Howard's mouth as he dunked on him. Literally.
edit: Wade and lebron are going to blow by prime MJ and Jordan. Fucking Heat culture. Prime Lebron couldn't even get passed post-prime Shawn marion last finals. give me a fucking break.
Magic, the architect of showtime isn't getting run out of anything. he invented running you out of the gym.
Jordan at his prime was an athletic freak.
Pippen was also amazing and he was KNOWN for stopping speedy, smaller point guards
Barkley was an entirely up tempo player for a huge part of his career.
D-Robinson was Dwight Howard before dwight Howard. The super athletic freak of nature at 7 feet who could run up and down the court with anyone. Only, he had a great offensive game to go with it. D-Rob would shit into Dwight Howard's mouth as he dunked on him. Literally.
edit: Wade and lebron are going to blow by prime MJ and Jordan. Fucking Heat culture. Prime Lebron couldn't even get passed post-prime Shawn marion last finals. give me a fucking break.
iamshadowlark
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You are out your rabid ass mind.
Deron is big and definetly quick enough to guard magic with his limited ass offensive game. Think rondo Defense. Cp3 couldn't guard magic but the same is even more true vice versa.
MJ > Kobe but kobe will definitly get his
Pippen/Old hurt Bird < LBJ
Barkley>Bosh
The lieutenant > D12
But in the open court where most of these types of games are played the redeem team would beast.
MorisUkunRasik
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Or Post-Post-Prime Jason Kidd. There were times Lebron refused to take No-Prime DeShawn Stevenson off the dribble. Imagine him at the top of the key with Pippen telling him about seeing his mama in Monte Carlo with his Sony camcorder back in '92
iamshadowlark
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Magic was 32-33. WTF are you talking about? Prime MJ and Jordan? And why the fuck did you edit? Is your delusional ass making shit up lmao?
iamshadowlark
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The same pippen who calls him the "Greatest player ever" and knows because "he played the game". That one?
Black Mamba
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Magic was 6'9. Are you completely unaware that the only people to really have a chance at guarding him was MJ and Pippen? Deron wouldn't do shit to Magic.
Magic's height was what made him the most unique player in NBA history. A 6'9 TRUE point guard. Deron is going to block off his passing vision? Or cut off his jump hook? Give me a fucking break.
Also, I'd take Pippen over Lebron. If Lebron in his prime couldn't shake Marion, I'm 100% confident prime Pippen aka the best defensive perimeter player ever, can handle him. Lebron would wilt faster than your prom date's corsage.
And the barkley/Drob advantages are HUGE.
Finally, Magic-Michael-Pippen-Barkley-Drob might be the greatest fast breaking team ever assembled.
obviously meant MJ and Pippen.
Who cares if Magic was 32? Did you see what he could do? Did you see what Kareem did at 32? Did you see what Kobe just did at 33? Did you see what Michael id at 32?
At the age of 32, Michael led his team to the greatest season OF ALL FUCKING TIME. At 32. As the MVP. But at 32, Magic was too old to hang with Deron fucking Williams. LOL
iamshadowlark
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Magic was 6'9, old and slow ass fuck. Passing was literally the only thing he could do.
And CP3/Deron-Wade/Kobe-LBJ-Bosh-D12 would be mighty close.
Chuck also says Kevin McHale was the best player he's ever played against, not Jordan. And Charles was extremely athletic @ 280lbs, I didn't say he was more athletic than Bron. Just that I don't see how he would blow their minds, especially when they have David Robinson running around like a 7"0 260lbs gazelle and Chuck going coast to coast at 280+lbs.
I think the Redeem team would have more problems with the size and mobility of the bigs from the Dream Team. They nearly lost that game to Spain, don't forget that.
Black Mamba
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There needs to be a new word invented for this kind of stupidity.
Oh man, Lark must be shitting his pants if 32 is the age when players are too old to play. Wade will be 32 after next season.
Magic was 1 year removed from a near 20-13-7 season...but passing is all he could do!
iamshadowlark
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Thats irrelevant. Magic was never half as athletic as them and he was old as fuck. please
Yeah, had he not had HIV there's no doubt that he would have kept playing at a very high level.
I don't think he realizes that Magic had a short comeback in 95-96 and averaged 15/7 and 6 in 30mpg at 36 years old, yet he was somehow done at 32?
Black Mamba
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How was Magic "old as fuck." What are you talking about. He was 32. you need your head examined.
Magic averaged 15-7-6 at the age of 36 as a PF for a small stint, fwiw.
And he wasn't even in shape, then!
Black Mamba
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What's more hilarious is the Redeem team was only up, what, 2 points late to:
teenage Rubio/Navarro
Rudy fernandez
Someone I forget
Pau Gasol
Marc Gasol.
You think the Dream Team wouldn't be up 25+ on this team in the gold medal game, Lark?
lmao.
teenage Rubio/Navarro
Rudy fernandez
Someone I forget
Pau Gasol
Marc Gasol.
You think the Dream Team wouldn't be up 25+ on this team in the gold medal game, Lark?
lmao.
MorisUkunRasik
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His only skill at 32 was passing? LOL Even if that were true (it's not true by the way) he'd still be so much better than his competition.
"His only skill at that point was being able to see the court better than any person who has ever played ball ever and make passes that most PGs wouldn't dare even attempt except for maybe the guy who backs him up, big whoop."
"His only skill at that point was being able to see the court better than any person who has ever played ball ever and make passes that most PGs wouldn't dare even attempt except for maybe the guy who backs him up, big whoop."
Meanwhile the Dream Team blew the doors off Croatia, who had Drazen Petrovic, Dino Radja and Toni Kukoc.
MorisUkunRasik
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You've out larked yourself tonight my man.
See ya tomorrow for game 2.
See ya tomorrow for game 2.
FindMyFarms
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Magic was such a beast. Yet to see someone that could pass anywhere near as fluidly as he did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Dm0lZTqCc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Dm0lZTqCc
MorisUkunRasik
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He confused the cameraman on that pass to Nixon, got dayum.
I'd pay a decent amount of money to get Magic's career in HD. That grainy footage doesn't do him justice, so many of those passes were made with him not even looking at the man he was hitting. Otherworldly.
Black Mamba
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lol
hey gondo
too bad you're married
Twin Peaks shits on Hooters food and talent wise. Buy a $20 calander at the beginning of the year and you get like 200 in free food. I have never had any problems with the food. The Urban Spoon reviews must all be jealous women.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
lol... Yes MJ was about as fast with more shake and bake...
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Magic was indeed awesome... But prime Kidd might have been the best passer I have ever seen.. This takes nothing away from how truly great Magic was
Probably faster if you believe Dean Smith:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/1999/jordan_retires/archive/831128/
Instead of defending your position like its all you have, how about you try and figure out what I'm talking about.
Its not like I pegged the best point guard prospect of the last 5 years as a living, breathing smurf before he even stepped on the court. Maybe there's a slight chance I know what I'm talking about.
And again, a wasted possession is very, very different from a "turnover".
While I do think the newer team had more athleticism I think the dream team was way more skilled at their positions. Can you imagine Dream on Dwight Howard? His offensive moveset would blow Howard's mind, he would have to guard something that doesn't even exist in his version of the NBA anymore. And other than Kobe no SG had more tricks and skills than MJ. Stockton would have fooled the hell out of most of the PGs. Barkley or Malone on Boozer? HAHAHA.
I also think the biggest factor would be if the teams were allowed to play early 90s basketball, meaning being allowed to knock the shit out of you still. You think Lebron and Wade are mentally soft now? What's going to happen when Barkley or Pippen borderline clotheslines them every other possession?
I also think the biggest factor would be if the teams were allowed to play early 90s basketball, meaning being allowed to knock the shit out of you still. You think Lebron and Wade are mentally soft now? What's going to happen when Barkley or Pippen borderline clotheslines them every other possession?
I think they were more athletic as well, but that's just me.
Forget Hakeem, Malone would wreck anyone the front line by himself. And the backcourt? I can't see anyone but Deron being in a favorable matchup.
Its still not even close though.
Gotta be with you on this Dwight isn't nearly the player David was. If you stick dwight in 85-95 dude probably either
A. grows the fuck up and learns a post game.
or
B. averages 15-10 on pure athleticism never making an all star team.
Dwight had issues with the corpse formerly known as Shaq, young shaq/dream/ewing/Zo/Old as fuck kareem/etc would eat that boy alive.
Also a 2001-2002 best squad would destroy 2012 squad.
Prime Shaq>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dwight
Prime Kg/Duncan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boozer or if they had Blake or Love or Aldrige
Tmac (you forget he actually was pretty great and even had nice D when he was healthy/invested)<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Lebron (the teams only sizable advantage)
Early prime Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The corpses jacking bad shots formerly known Wade/Kobe
Prime Kidd/Iverson<<<Cp3/Russ/Deron/Rondo
teruterubozu
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Even Mutombo would have swatted away Dwight.
Dwight is the one-eyed Center in the land of the no-hand check, no back-down, less than 3 second, no big man league.
Dwight is the one-eyed Center in the land of the no-hand check, no back-down, less than 3 second, no big man league.
Iron E Man
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Would love to see Stocktons screens on CP3. Double flop galore
How have I not heard of this place?
CherryWoodFuton
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Damn I gotta watch the Dream Team doc when I get home tonight. Yall mothefuckers hyping the shit out of it
hey gondo
too bad you're married
That is some sexy footwear.
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1186873&start=285#p32176563
I have no idea who you are random real GM guy but that is awesome. GO HEAT
I have no idea who you are random real GM guy but that is awesome. GO HEAT
Byakuya769
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All the basketball-heads on my twiiter feed were gushing over it too. Sorry I missed it.
Anyone notice how Jordan was talking with his eyes closed during his "one of the greatest things that ever happened and will never be duplicated" spill?
That guy's game was godly, but damn, I cannot stand him.
Why would you waste time arguing with shadowdork, I am not sure.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I don't think Dwight's all-time great rebounding and help defense go away regardless of the era he plays in. He's better in this one than in the 90s because it's heavier on pick-and-roll than posting up, but he would still be one of the best in the NBA in the 90s.
dream team vid link (get on it while its hot, they'll probably take it down soon): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DSJK4jo2wg