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Count Dookkake
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Someone give those dudes some lightsabers, plz.
considering how gaf hypes themselves up. i wonder if Gaf has ruined the new Batman movie for themselves.
saw it last night. stayed away from all of the threads as to not hype myself up or go in with anyone else's views. movie blew. I felt like the only person who actually acted was Fassbender. Stringer Bell was good at times also. once again, I feel cheated. It seems like they had no fucking clue how to write a story so they just filled it with pretty visuals. there was very little dialog.
honestly, it felt nothing like an Alien film. There was no dark grittyness, there was no sense of what's lurking around the corner, just explosions. I think I'm done with sci fi films forever now and will just stick to reading.
honestly, it felt nothing like an Alien film. There was no dark grittyness, there was no sense of what's lurking around the corner, just explosions. I think I'm done with sci fi films forever now and will just stick to reading.
symphonask
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Wow at all those engineers.
Really hope it's in the blu ray, could give a lot of clues to why they seed life.
Really hope it's in the blu ray, could give a lot of clues to why they seed life.
Demoncarnotaur
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TBH, they look a ton more peaceful than the engineer we saw at the end of the film.. perhaps there are two factions, those who seek to create life, those who do not? It could also explain why the ships were different, and why we were chosen to be destroyed, because we never were supposed to be made as far some were concerned.
As for how Space Jesus plays into that, I dunno. They did toss the idea according to Ridley so that may not exactly be relevant anyways.
Speedymanic
Banned
I look forward to the 10 min exposition filled opening with no subs. You all know it's coming.
symphonask
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It'll be beautiful.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
That is a lot of Engineers. Really, what is going on there.
On the subject of seeding life and evolution, I thought about that before even seeing the film, and wonder: the Engineers are masters if biotechnology and genetic programming, i.e. stuff like the black goo is capable of making all sorts of life or converting existing life depending on how it is programmed.
So perhaps the insinuation is that they seed the framework of their species in appropriate biospheres and whatever it is the black goo does plants some pre-programmed instructions within the DNA? Modern humans do not, after all, look just like Engineers. Not even remotely on the same size scale. There's a huge variety of development depending on where each branch of humanity evolved. So it's not that evolution and natural selection are not operating. They are. The Engineers are just absolute masters of the science, and introduce the correct seeds that are designed to generally grow in a direction they desire.
No different really from transplanting an existing organism to a new location and then allowing it to evolve further. The difference here is that they start with the basic building blocks.
They also seem interested in watching how their seed will grow and develop on different worlds, under different conditions. So they're not out to merely create clones of themselves and/or they want to use evolution as a tool.
One might also assume that their experiments fail a lot of the time, and their descendants lose the evolutionary battle and die out.
On the subject of seeding life and evolution, I thought about that before even seeing the film, and wonder: the Engineers are masters if biotechnology and genetic programming, i.e. stuff like the black goo is capable of making all sorts of life or converting existing life depending on how it is programmed.
So perhaps the insinuation is that they seed the framework of their species in appropriate biospheres and whatever it is the black goo does plants some pre-programmed instructions within the DNA? Modern humans do not, after all, look just like Engineers. Not even remotely on the same size scale. There's a huge variety of development depending on where each branch of humanity evolved. So it's not that evolution and natural selection are not operating. They are. The Engineers are just absolute masters of the science, and introduce the correct seeds that are designed to generally grow in a direction they desire.
No different really from transplanting an existing organism to a new location and then allowing it to evolve further. The difference here is that they start with the basic building blocks.
They also seem interested in watching how their seed will grow and develop on different worlds, under different conditions. So they're not out to merely create clones of themselves and/or they want to use evolution as a tool.
One might also assume that their experiments fail a lot of the time, and their descendants lose the evolutionary battle and die out.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
I imagine the engineer at the end of the film was military personnel considering the purpose of his being there. And given how eager scientists are to get themselves killed in this movie, I imagine the engineer in the beginning was a scientist.
Zoe
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Name's different--Charles vs Peter. In Ridley's universe, Peter Weylend founds the corporation on 10/11/12, so it's safe to say Lance Henrikson's Weylend has been tossed out.
BattleMonkey
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So much of the movie felt like it was missing chunks. I do hope there is a directors cut
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I'm sure that whatever the plans for the sequel were, they were based on a bigger budget thanks to "incredible success" or Prometheus. So I'm guessing the story might be changed and adapted to a lower budget and PG-13 rating.
Stuggernaut
Grandma's Chippy
I didn't hype myself up for this movie, but it was interesting on it's own. Too many silly scenes sort of brought it down for me though by the end.
Also, the opening scene I just don't get. Something didn't click with me on that. Why did that guy kill himself? Where was he? what was the point of this scene?
Also, the opening scene I just don't get. Something didn't click with me on that. Why did that guy kill himself? Where was he? what was the point of this scene?
He was seeding a planet with life through his body and the subtance he drank. Planet was probably earth.
Also, some responsible adult might wake the fuck up and realize that making a trilogy of movies around Ancient Aliens/Erich von Daniken is not the smartest idea in the world and ditch the whole engineers angle.
I'm hoping for that.
Edit: I'm not saying you can't make good movie around that premise, you can make a good movie out of pretty much everything, no matter how awful the source material/premise (yes, I'm talking about Starship Troopers, but I'm always talking about Starship Troopers).
But man, you're really handicapping yourself as a writer is this is your starting point.
watched this yesterday with the wife, really enjoyed it, despite obvious sequel bait. remember when movies were made to stand alone? the ending was complete cheese and the old man's (wayland) make-up was terrible. how about you hire a 90 year old to play an old guy next time?
also, bring a 3-month pregnant women with me wasnt the best idea...
havent read any discussion on the movie and i'd like to bounce my thoughts/ideas/theories off of you guys for feedback. i'm sure there is loads of stuff i missed and/or misinterpreted.
first, the black ooze. seemed to be some sort of "tool" invented/found to modify the DNA of living creatures. the "titans" (large human-like aliens featured primarily) were humans that had been transformed by the ooze and this is why their DNA was a match to the humans aboard the prometheus. the male doctor in the midst of the same transformation before being killed. this is supported by david's questioning if the doctor would do anything to meet the titans alive before spiking his drink. the facility of the planet was were this transformation took place.
but the ooze wasnt limited to this single transformation. it could transform any living creature - as we see with the little worms in the explores footprints transforming into those weird snake/leach things when the ooze leaked out of the containers. a transformed organism would continue to change as it makes contact with other beings such as; the red haired geologist after getting worked over by previously mentioned snake/leaches, the offspring of the transforming male doctor and the unaffected female doctor, and of course, the final transformation we see at the end of the film in which that offspring becomes the traditional "alien" after merging back with a titan.
so, this leads to a few questions. did the titans create humans? why did the titans create a map to find this world? and why did they latter seek earth to kill the humans?
i dont believe the titans created humans. as mentioned above, i think the titans were once humans that had "evolved" via the ooze organism(?). i think the titans may have created a map to find the prometheus planet so that when the earth humans became advanced enough, they could themselves venture to the planet to "evolve" as well. i dont think the titans wanted to go to earth to kill the humans, but rather to destroy the maps once they realized that the ooze was something that was out of their control - but this was before it led to their own downfall.
i still have a few unresolved questions though that don't fit with my theory.
1) what is it that david said to the titan just before he attacked? i think david knew far more about the titans then he let on in the film. i dont think he asked the titan what either the female doctor, or wayland wanted, but rather something else that would enrage or frighten the titan. maybe david wanted the ooze to create more titans from earth?
2) what was the purpose of the opening to the film? we see a titan alone. there is a space ship leaving. he ingests the ooze, then falls to his death(?) in the waters below. what was that trying to show and how does it relate to the overall story?
ok, now i'll go and check out the discussion previously posted to see just how foolish i look with what i typed above
also, bring a 3-month pregnant women with me wasnt the best idea...
havent read any discussion on the movie and i'd like to bounce my thoughts/ideas/theories off of you guys for feedback. i'm sure there is loads of stuff i missed and/or misinterpreted.
first, the black ooze. seemed to be some sort of "tool" invented/found to modify the DNA of living creatures. the "titans" (large human-like aliens featured primarily) were humans that had been transformed by the ooze and this is why their DNA was a match to the humans aboard the prometheus. the male doctor in the midst of the same transformation before being killed. this is supported by david's questioning if the doctor would do anything to meet the titans alive before spiking his drink. the facility of the planet was were this transformation took place.
but the ooze wasnt limited to this single transformation. it could transform any living creature - as we see with the little worms in the explores footprints transforming into those weird snake/leach things when the ooze leaked out of the containers. a transformed organism would continue to change as it makes contact with other beings such as; the red haired geologist after getting worked over by previously mentioned snake/leaches, the offspring of the transforming male doctor and the unaffected female doctor, and of course, the final transformation we see at the end of the film in which that offspring becomes the traditional "alien" after merging back with a titan.
so, this leads to a few questions. did the titans create humans? why did the titans create a map to find this world? and why did they latter seek earth to kill the humans?
i dont believe the titans created humans. as mentioned above, i think the titans were once humans that had "evolved" via the ooze organism(?). i think the titans may have created a map to find the prometheus planet so that when the earth humans became advanced enough, they could themselves venture to the planet to "evolve" as well. i dont think the titans wanted to go to earth to kill the humans, but rather to destroy the maps once they realized that the ooze was something that was out of their control - but this was before it led to their own downfall.
i still have a few unresolved questions though that don't fit with my theory.
1) what is it that david said to the titan just before he attacked? i think david knew far more about the titans then he let on in the film. i dont think he asked the titan what either the female doctor, or wayland wanted, but rather something else that would enrage or frighten the titan. maybe david wanted the ooze to create more titans from earth?
2) what was the purpose of the opening to the film? we see a titan alone. there is a space ship leaving. he ingests the ooze, then falls to his death(?) in the waters below. what was that trying to show and how does it relate to the overall story?
ok, now i'll go and check out the discussion previously posted to see just how foolish i look with what i typed above
Guy Pearce's make up would have bothered me in any other movie but it didnt in this one. Since you're basing your story in the far future and in a lore that is mostly unexplored, I just assumed he went through many procedures to stay alive as long as he could (according to other promo material he's 103) wich in returned fucked his face up pretty badly and made him look all sick and shit.
Would have made more sense if that dream scene where he was younger made it to the movie though, instead of just the TED promo material with younger pearce.
Would have made more sense if that dream scene where he was younger made it to the movie though, instead of just the TED promo material with younger pearce.
Scarecrow
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Not 1, not 2, not 3...but 9!
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Somethingsomethingwisemen...
On a different note, I'm surprised at how crowded a bunch of thee Prometheus shows are today. All the 2D houses are filling up.
Not 1, not 2, not 3...but 9!
Im really hoping we get to see this play out in a directors cut.
Holy shit where did u get this pic ??
The more we see of the art book and the more pics we see leaked, it seems like the movie was hacked to pieces
Demoncarnotaur
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Yeah, that's true as well, but it still makes me think that not all wanted to create and not all wanted to destroy. We may be the science project that was never approved and were decided to be a threat by some and thus destroyed.
Not sure how credible the article is, but this is where the pic is from:
http://thenexusnews.com/prometheus-2-in-development/852676/
Yeah, I can't help but get the feeling Ridley panicked or something and changed the film at some point, between this and the Fiefield curiosities.
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I don't think the theme is an issue at all, more how it was handled, and more importantly the dialogue/characters/nonsensical events, all of which were not a result of the theme.
Salvor.Hardin
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I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere here, but has anyone else noted just how eerily similar the endings of Prometheus and Halo 3 are? The protagonist and a suspect AI board a vessel and are heading to the home planet of their forerunners.
I suppose it's only fair given how much Halo has taken from the Alien series.
I suppose it's only fair given how much Halo has taken from the Alien series.
Talladega Knight
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prometheus does deal with our "fathers"
Demoncarnotaur
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I suppose, though one is by choice and Halo 3 is by chance and circumstance.
I do agree that the Engineers sort of remind me of what we know about Forerunners (and Precursors?).
It looks like they are communicating. I'm interested in knowing what they said
I'd rather we never learn too much of them.
the movie did suddenly rush after the surgury. its like they said *o sht! we almost hitting 4 hours. we need to cut these scenes out!*
Demoncarnotaur
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Well its more the fact that we know they were filmed, and they all were clad and robes and most seemed older. Nothing groundbreaking and new, but interesting none the less.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Personally I think it would have transitioned much better when the sacrifice happened. As it stands the initial scenes were too jarring. Showing the others congregating actually makes it feel like a ceremony instead of what we were shown.
Pachterballs
Banned
elizabeth elizabeth.. are you there?
yes
I was beginning to be anxious that you're dead
you can't feel anxiety.
i suppose ur right.
or something like that. They said/infer numerous times in the film that the android cannot experience emotion. During the holloway/david talk about "real boy" as well, there was inference the android does not have emotions.
one of the main reasons why prometheus is great is the fact that the violence is there with the R rating. With any luck, it will have legs + WW will carry it to an acceptable BO margin that they will do a sequel without making it PG.
He's "acting" emotion according to what he believes are the appropiate occasions.
Not like this isnt a concept used broadly among cyborgs in any kind of sci fi media..
Another thing I didnt like about the movie was charlie.
So this guy sees a worm coming out of his eye, he never once thinks that maybe he should go to the doctor and get himself some 30th century medicine. But when hes turning all hes talking about is how he needs to go back and get some help. Even worse he never thinks to tell shaw that he may have just given her the mother of all stds. What an awesome guy. This is the same person that yelled at her for jepoardizing the mission because she went back for the head.. all the while hes fine exposing everyone including shaw to the infection.
So this guy sees a worm coming out of his eye, he never once thinks that maybe he should go to the doctor and get himself some 30th century medicine. But when hes turning all hes talking about is how he needs to go back and get some help. Even worse he never thinks to tell shaw that he may have just given her the mother of all stds. What an awesome guy. This is the same person that yelled at her for jepoardizing the mission because she went back for the head.. all the while hes fine exposing everyone including shaw to the infection.
he was pretty fucking stupid as a scientist, a "shoot first think later" kinda guy.
He got interrupted right after the wormy eye thing, so I interpreted it as if maybe he thought he was just imagining things and whatnot.
That + his crappy attitude making him wanna go into that thing no matter what = outcome
I didnt necesarelly empathized with Charlie as a character, so I would agree that I didnt like HIM, but I dont think the movie was trying to do otherwise..
Pachterballs
Banned
The directors cut if ridley does one is going to be amazing!
I didn't have a problem with him not "checking him ot medically". how many other films etc have characters chosen to ignore a tell tale sign of infection etc. Its not neccessarily moving the plot along; but people do not always act rationally.
I don't find it jarring myself. Not everything needs to be spelt out for you.
On 2nd viewing; the thing that I had issue with the most; as posted earlier really was the fiefield+biologist part of the story. The getting lost and the stupidity with their dealing with the penisworm
The whole running left/right thing people have talked about - the thing is that thing was massive and from the viewers POV, it seems like they should have just run sideways; from the POV of shaw+vickers, it would have been this enormous thing coming down and they could easily have panicked and not realised what is going on til it was too late. Really didn't have too much of a problem with that. I wish vickers didn't have to die though. Great character; very well acted
I didn't have a problem with him not "checking him ot medically". how many other films etc have characters chosen to ignore a tell tale sign of infection etc. Its not neccessarily moving the plot along; but people do not always act rationally.
I don't find it jarring myself. Not everything needs to be spelt out for you.
On 2nd viewing; the thing that I had issue with the most; as posted earlier really was the fiefield+biologist part of the story. The getting lost and the stupidity with their dealing with the penisworm
The whole running left/right thing people have talked about - the thing is that thing was massive and from the viewers POV, it seems like they should have just run sideways; from the POV of shaw+vickers, it would have been this enormous thing coming down and they could easily have panicked and not realised what is going on til it was too late. Really didn't have too much of a problem with that. I wish vickers didn't have to die though. Great character; very well acted
That is how they terraform planets and seed them with life. Through sacrifice they spread life.
appears the sequel may be all about them.
PrivateWHudson
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After a period of reflection, I think Vickers was the best character and should have been the one to survive. Aside from the c-section scene, Shaw was boring as hell. Vickers was totally bad ass when confronting David, and was ruthless with the flame thrower. She was completely right that her dad should have just died and left her in charge.
Sickboy007
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I'm not sure about the whole space jesus theory. I mean, the film is certainly filled with christian symbolism, but if it was something so central to the plot (engineers got pissed 2000 years ago because we killed their emissary) the screenwriters wouldn't go around telling everybody that they scrapped that because it was so obvious and on the nose, just to elaborate on that same idea in a potential sequel.
Pachterballs
Banned
yeah, really like theronz in Prometheus. She nailed the steely resolve and bitch mode character. Shaw while being a more of a central character was harder to connect with. I wouldn't have minded her surviving - she had as good a suvival instinct as shaw.
I think my problem with naomi - that crying scene where she said "i can't make life" was so poorly acted (maybe the line is just awful) - that I don't really buy her character. She's no sig weaver.
I think my problem with naomi - that crying scene where she said "i can't make life" was so poorly acted (maybe the line is just awful) - that I don't really buy her character. She's no sig weaver.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
While I agree, it did lead to an awesome death sequence. So I sort of forgive it a bit.
The sequel will deal with Space Hitler, so it won't matter.
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