Avatar's characters make far more sense than Prometheus's (like, for instance, scientists acting like scientists). That's not to say that Avatar is that entertaining to discuss (because it's not).
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Nappuccino
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Probably because many just want answers for the gap instead of trying to explain them in the context of the movie. And because the gaps really do ruin aspects of the movie (namely the characters). And there isn't that much interesting to discuss about the movie.
There would be a lot more talk if the opening shot of the SJ dissolving into water didn't exist- so we would have no idea if they actually did anything meaningful towards our creation.
I'm not saying avatar is an amazing film, and it's obviously cliche, but I agree it's better than Prometheus. It has a clear beginning and a natural and satisfying ending, characters who develop and progress from A>B and decent pacing and action sequences.
I can't say the same about Prometheus.
I can't say the same about Prometheus.
Clayton Bigsby
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You are right, it has a clear beginning/middle/end. But since it is filled with boring shit it doesnt matter.
Clayton Bigsby
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In the middle of Avatar I fell asleep. I was on the edge of my seat during all of Prometheus. The script was dumb in spots, but i felt it had a lot more ambition. Avatar was super cliched and boring. I rather watch a flawed ambitious film than a safe boring one.
i thought maybe lindelof wrote one draft or something but i saw an interview with him and spaihts where he said he wrote like 8 drafts or something.
i would love to see the original spaihts script, which will apparently be on the blu-ray. i wonder how much of the idiotic character behavior and illogical scene-to-scene transitions are holdovers from his script or the work of lindelof.
speaking of avatar, i watched the blu-ray again recently and was struck by how cheap the live-action sets looked. The interiors of Hell's Gate, the Crematorium etc. They all looked like cheap TV.
i would love to see the original spaihts script, which will apparently be on the blu-ray. i wonder how much of the idiotic character behavior and illogical scene-to-scene transitions are holdovers from his script or the work of lindelof.
speaking of avatar, i watched the blu-ray again recently and was struck by how cheap the live-action sets looked. The interiors of Hell's Gate, the Crematorium etc. They all looked like cheap TV.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Cameron doesn't have an eye for sets, Aliens being in between the amazingly well planed out Alien sets and 3's sets with their sense of grands scale and over worked rusted and beaten feel.
Nuh uh, his body was found dead on the floor I believe.
I actually had issues with that.
Like, how did he came to the conclusion that it's a weapon facility?
That felt like lazy writing.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Titanic would like a word.
Janek went off ship, and saw the urn room all torn to shit when they went back after the storm.He also saw most of the available incoming camera feeds during the initial search, and saw both holloway turn and the cam feeds of when zombie fifield came back to the ship.
Not hard to piece together, he saw more of everything than anyone else on the ship except David perhaps (or Shaw).
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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He's great at recreation of real area's, and I tried to point out that Alien and Alien 3 were amazing and being in between them would make most sets look bad.
He only came to that conclusion after he left the ship and saw everything for himself.
Don't you think that was a bit of a stretch?
I mean, he only knows that in one facility on that moon there's some goo that does terrible things to animals it it touches.
And from that he conclude that this is not their home planet but in fact a weapon research facility.
The fact that the goo is a weapon in and by itself seem a bit of a stretch*, let alone his insight about the nature of that planet.
And again, the frustrating thing is that it really wasn't necessarily, I mean, they have a robot who can fucking read and talk the alien's language.
This is just bad writing.
* turns everything into an unstoppable killing machine? that does not sounds like an overly effective weapon to me, but that's a whole different discussion.
Melchiah
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Well, the second one is there, as the cylinder combines the goo and the worms, which is why they aren't depicted separately.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Agreed, he could have been much less sure about the facts and still came to the the same conclusions, playing it more panky and despite would have been better then the stoic and right headedness the lines were read with.
In cross planarity warfare it would make sense, bomb the populace around major militry areas then wait for all the populace to fuck shit up.
Do we see that?
I honestly can't remember.
Janek leaving the ship? He went to recover Fifield and Milburn after the storm cleared. He then came to that conclusion before Shaw left to go back for the living engineer.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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All I remember is some people turning a body over, but I think your right.
Ollie Pooch
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After reading about it here, it was glaringly obvious how there were 4 people total going back to the ship after the first visit, 2 to each of those buggy things, with a mysterious 5th driving the truck. WTF?
Maybe you should have been better rested when you watched Avatar.
It was memorable because it's when Charlie really became sick and Vickers toasted him when they got back.
symphonask
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Apparently, according to the linguist guy on Prometheus, David and the Engineer actually had a full blown conversation that was cut, rather than just what David uttered to the engineer.
Also he revealed what David said to the Engineer:
http://thebioscopist.com/2012/06/20/the-linguistics-of-prometheus-what-david-says-to-the-engineer/
Now we have two people who worked on the film saying there will be a director's cut.
Also he revealed what David said to the Engineer:
http://thebioscopist.com/2012/06/20/the-linguistics-of-prometheus-what-david-says-to-the-engineer/
Now we have two people who worked on the film saying there will be a director's cut.
really? I remember when they first entered the chamber they showed a small earthworm going in with them, I thought that it was implied they somehow let it enter, because the chamber was completely isolated, or was it after they entered that they showed the small worm? now I can't recall it.
Ollie Pooch
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There's a shot when they first arrive in the chamber of a boot stamping into the dirt, as it steps away there are worms in the dirt - I couldn't work out if they were suggesting the worms were brought in or whether they were just there already and being moved around by the 'intruders' and then exposed to the black stuff.
Apparently, according to the linguist guy on Prometheus, David and the Engineer actually had a full blown conversation that was cut, rather than just what David uttered to the engineer.
Also he revealed what David said to the Engineer:
http://thebioscopist.com/2012/06/20/the-linguistics-of-prometheus-what-david-says-to-the-engineer/
Now we have two people who worked on the film saying there will be a director's cut.
Wow great find dude.
Salvor.Hardin
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Apparently, according to the linguist guy on Prometheus, David and the Engineer actually had a full blown conversation that was cut, rather than just what David uttered to the engineer.
Also he revealed what David said to the Engineer:
http://thebioscopist.com/2012/06/20/the-linguistics-of-prometheus-what-david-says-to-the-engineer/
Now we have two people who worked on the film saying there will be a director's cut.
Odd. If that is in fact the translation of David's question, I see absolutely no reason why Ridley chose to cut out the subtitles.
Melchiah
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IIRC, the little worm was shown after they entered the chamber, when its interior started to melt. I don't remember seeing a worm prior to that, but that doesn't necessarily mean there wasn't one.
Barkley's Justice
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Apparently, according to the linguist guy on Prometheus, David and the Engineer actually had a full blown conversation that was cut, rather than just what David uttered to the engineer.
Also he revealed what David said to the Engineer:
http://thebioscopist.com/2012/06/20/the-linguistics-of-prometheus-what-david-says-to-the-engineer/
Now we have two people who worked on the film saying there will be a director's cut.
wow. so with this bit about a conversation (not merely an utterance) and all of the pics with multiple engineers in shot, it's obvious ridley cut out any scene where engineers spoke. weird, yo...
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Pretty sure Ridly did that decades ago.
Yep that's why he should have just made blade runner rather than this. The movies are the same thematically
yeah I'm not sure either, it was probably in the chamber, but I don't think it was in the containers themselves, the one David brought back to the ship had none.
Really?
Aside from that trailer really irritating the hell out of me, the only thing that I could say was really well done was the tiger, but that everything else was obviously just too much CG. The tiger started becoming apparent about midway through that trailer.
well, since he already stated that they scraped some stuff that was "too on the nose", they probably filmed some of it and decided to cut it
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I thought it looked great. Doesn't look like typical Hollywood crap, no words, etc. And 3D worked really well.
Life of Pi
Oh, I didn't get that. Made by Ang Lee so I'm sort of interested.
That's the problem, too much time making it look kickass and a lack of substance when it comes to characters and dialogues.
Dunno if already posted.
Still wrong because that black goo stuff can infect the engineers and mess them up too.
It only does everything.
Black goo = PS4?
The more I think about the film, the more disappointed I am with it. It could have been amazing, and really, almost nothing in it was worth not including, they just missed all the stuff in between that would connect the events. I really hope there is a 3 hour long directors cut that makes it the film it could have been.
Re: the mealworms. I thought the goo had acted on the mealworms that were shown underfoot to make the armbreaking reptile. But who knows? Just a totally busted narrative in this film.
Re: the mealworms. I thought the goo had acted on the mealworms that were shown underfoot to make the armbreaking reptile. But who knows? Just a totally busted narrative in this film.
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