Iron Man 3: New armour shown off at SDCC
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Ninja Scooter
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Looking forward to the talk either way. I wonder if we'll actually ever see something like this on screen, though;
Ok I haven't read the whole Extremis thing, but I sort of get it, and it honestly does sound cool to me, but what makes this new movie suit look bad is that it doesn't look organic enough. It doesn't like what I was expecting when I read they were going to go with this Extremis stuff for IM3. It's too bulky and manufactured looking. I was expecting something sleeker and more organic.
RiccochetJ
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Mostly gold? Fuck that. Red.
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Concept art:
Red Sutter
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Onslaught or Scarlet Witch erasing 3/4ths of the Marvel U with a thought, or the celestials simply taking earth in their palm and squeezing tightly would make for a boring comic.
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Like I said on the other page, I get the feeling the suit is made to go into space, and the predominance of the pale color is because it would look better in the more contrasted lighting of space than if it was predominantly red. The design also makes it look more like some sort of space battle suit IMO.
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Doubtful, the predominance of the pale color is to give the suit a more organic/biological look since it will be fused with his body.
I don't think space is going to be a part of the story at all. So far everything in the production points to the movie being about technological espionage in China, with Extremis plot elements thrown in.
How is that logical? He's a genius with money, but in iron man he's just making simple(ish) missiles etc. Suddenly he's into genetic engineering? Just feels too much of a stretch, and I'm fine with crazy stuff.
mocolostrocolos
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Are we having a trailer?
I wish I could go back in time and shoot whoever came up with this idea, if only for how often it's misused in fiction.
He didn't do it himself. He took a serum or whatever developed by another scientist (who's name escapes me)
Tony isn't the one who makes it.
Didn't he create a new element in the last movie ;P
The way I see it, Tony Stark is a character who has a great capacity to learn and create. He also has the funds to do so. So what exactly would stop him from learning about genetic engineering? His intellect was never shown to have any limit that would tell us he couldn't learn such a thing and he clearly has the funds. I think it would be silly if Iron man 3 started out with him in a skin suit but I feel that if he HAD to create such a thing he could. He's already shown that he's capable of such feats if pointed in the right direction.
Plus I found myself getting bored with Iron Man in Avengers anyways. I feel he needs something new as all of these "upgrades" tend to feel purely cosmetic. He got a new suit in the Avengers and all it seemed to add were some shoulder missiles. I'm sure there was more that I'm forgetting but that's what I mean. Nothing really stood out and they made such a big deal over it.
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If it follows the Extremis storyline, there is a good explanation for this. He's not a geneticist indeed.
Nanomachines are today's radioactive rays.
Considering Stark almost died when he went into space in the Avengers, it would make sense for him to design a suit for space travel in IM3. Also, it would set up for the cosmic shit that will happen in Avengers 2.
See, that's what I like, Tony vulnerable because he only managed to get parts of his armor on (assuming this isn't him mid-transformation). Doesn't the whole extremis thing destroy that factor?Concept art:
It's the weaknesses that make a super hero interesting (at least for me)
RealDeadOne
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For people down on the suit coming out of his bones: that's not the Extremis suit, that's the Bleeding Edge armor. The Extremis armor has an undersuit that comes out of his bones, but they likely won't have that in the movie because they've never had an undersuit.
The main things about the Extremis suit are that it is modular and he can summon the pieces to him (which they've been building up to with the suitcase suit and the Avengers suit flying to him) and that he can interface with it directly through his brain. That's likely as far as they'll go with it in this movie.
And I don't really understand being down on the Bleeding Edge armor at all in the comics. A major theme in Matt Fraction's Invincible Iron Man run and Iron Man comics in general has been that everybody is trying to copy Stark's tech, so he has to remain one step ahead of them and always invent the next best thing. That was the main theme of Extremis, too, and since that made him basically one with the suit it only makes sense to take that even further. I mean after decades of gradual improvement on the armor in comics you have to take it somewhere a bit more science fiction.
And I don't mean this in a condescending way, but I think the reason people see it as stupid is because they don't read the comics and don't really understand just how long Iron Man had the exact same suit before getting the Extremis armor (which was the first one that even really looked like an armor and not yellow tights).
The main things about the Extremis suit are that it is modular and he can summon the pieces to him (which they've been building up to with the suitcase suit and the Avengers suit flying to him) and that he can interface with it directly through his brain. That's likely as far as they'll go with it in this movie.
And I don't really understand being down on the Bleeding Edge armor at all in the comics. A major theme in Matt Fraction's Invincible Iron Man run and Iron Man comics in general has been that everybody is trying to copy Stark's tech, so he has to remain one step ahead of them and always invent the next best thing. That was the main theme of Extremis, too, and since that made him basically one with the suit it only makes sense to take that even further. I mean after decades of gradual improvement on the armor in comics you have to take it somewhere a bit more science fiction.
And I don't mean this in a condescending way, but I think the reason people see it as stupid is because they don't read the comics and don't really understand just how long Iron Man had the exact same suit before getting the Extremis armor (which was the first one that even really looked like an armor and not yellow tights).
Nah, Iron Man had that chunky angular look to his armor before Extremis
Alx
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He sure did, but it was still in line with the way technology was portrayed in Iron Man movies, that is with an almost "steam punk" vibe : he built his first armor with scraps while prisoner in a cave, invents an element with a few tubes, a mace and a wrench, have his armor built around him with all kinds of clunky and whirring sounds... Iron Man is (originally) mechanical, it's a machine, made of pieces of metal assembled together.
Turning it into a nanomachine-based bio-suit is a huge leap...
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As was I. I didn't want nanomachines forming the armor around his body or the other outlandish areas the comics went, but something more human. Removing the shoulder pads alone would help it look smaller.
But the other important part of extremis is (comic spoiler)
internal. It turns him into a cyborg who can perform better and enable him to control machines with his mind.
RealDeadOne
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True, but still it was only in the mid to late 90s that it really started moving toward that style, and even then technologically he hadn't really made many leaps for awhile outside of special armors like Thorbuster and the suit that went really fast.
Alx
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Even if someone else does it for him, it's still a big change to the mythos and the very idea of an "Iron Man". And not in line with the world they painted, where most of the technology was at our current level, except for a few genius like Stark or Vanko.
How is integrating Tony with his armor even more taking away from an Iron Man?
That is literally what Extremis does, it turns him into Iron Man.
Stark is about the tech, this is a natural evolution of it, miniaturisation and improvement
EDIT: But yeah the actual armor on show is kind of ugly
RealDeadOne
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Once again Extremis is NOT the suit that comes out of his bones made of nanomachines. It's a modular suit whose pieces can be remotely controlled by Stark's brain, made to fly to him and assemble (kind of like the Mk. VII in Avengers, right?) and allows him greater control by interfacing through his brain.
How exactly is that not in line then? The virus itself isn't even out of line in a world where the Hulk, Abomination and Steve Rogers are all mutated super soldiers created by a serum and Asgardian tech like the tesseract can be reverse engineered.
Yeah, plus there must be all sorts of cool alien tech lying around New York that Stark would make sure he could get his hands on
Alx
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I'm ok with the pieces of armor flying to him (or at least the whole armor, like in the Avengers), not really with the brain interface thing. It crosses a line that makes it too different from the original IM.
And yes of course it may be weird to be concerned about such things when other characters had other sources of superpowers, that is the usual problem with ensembles like the Avengers. It requires some suspension of disbelief, but it doesn't mean that I would like to see Stark injecting himself a serum, or Captain America get boosted by Gamma radiations... to each character his own style.
And yes of course it may be weird to be concerned about such things when other characters had other sources of superpowers, that is the usual problem with ensembles like the Avengers. It requires some suspension of disbelief, but it doesn't mean that I would like to see Stark injecting himself a serum, or Captain America get boosted by Gamma radiations... to each character his own style.
RealDeadOne
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I really don't understand how the brain interface crosses the line. It fits in directly with the theme of Iron Man. I mean do you want the armor to just stay exactly the same forever? Iron Man isn't like Spider-man where he retains the same power set forever, the whole point of his character is he can upgrade his powers to stay ahead of his enemies. Upgrades have diminishing returns; eventually just putting bigger guns and faster jets isn't going to cut it, and that's also incredibly boring storywise.
It also fits in with the universe just fine. I don't see how the magic and impossible holographic computer and basically human-like AI of Jarvis and the arm thing make sense but brain interface is off-limits, especially since we're probably only years off from that level in the real world.
Jack Scofield
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The idea of a metal suit that comes out of his bones is really stupid. You can defend it all you want, but the concept is utterly ridiculous and has no place in the movies, even if they aren't firmly grounded in reality.
The metal suit doesn't
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Tony Stark becomes a cyborg eventually.. deal with it.
and then eventually pouring out the bleeding edge armor, and then creates that tacky black & gold armor with red lights.
Just the opposite here. I like my fantasy heroes to be ever-inflating their power to more and more epic levels.
Gurren Lagann was so up my alley.
RealDeadOne
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And yet a guy that mystically acquires mass and grows twice his size and turns green in seconds is fine, an interdimensional alien with literal space magic who looks exactly like a human is fine, Ant-Man growing and shrinking with unexplainable "Pym Particles" is fine, etc?
I really cannot comprehend how all the other comic book shit that happens like Wolverine's regeneration and even the damn Iron Man suit itself is on a separate level from the bleeding edge armor
And complaining about it is stupid anyway since it happened like a year ago in the comics and this movie is almost definitely using the Extremis armor which is NOT the bone-storage suit
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