ViewtifulJC
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I think I'm the only one who likes RotK the MOST. I'm even a sucker for most of those corny-ass endings.
The Dark Knight Rises |OT| The Legend Ends (Warning: Unmarked Spoilers Within)
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But you do know why Iron Man works right? Its a metal armor suit. Batman doesn't have that. Its either tights with no armor and ridiculous amount of muscle or some sort of armor suit like presented in the live action movies.
I get what you mean but holding that against the movies is really unfair because you will never get that look or feel from the live action adaptations. I care more about the essence of the character and largely Nolan nailed that.
Tricky I Shadow
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Nah. I think it’s the best one by quite a lot actually. Second is Fellowship of the Ring and then The Two Towers.
I don't see why I can have incredible audio-visual experiences of all different kinds in a tonne of other films but a superhero with a cowl is something they'll never be able to get. Someone will do it right some day. Until that time I guess I'll just keep going to watch movies I'll be disappointed in. Personally the kind of cinematography you would use would leave more to the imagination, but I appreciate you probably wouldn't be able to do that for an entire movie.
Nailed it? I don't know. As Nolan's take on Bats, it worked alright. I accept it for what it is. But it's not what I wanted.
Again, prematurely laying the ground work for Feb 2013 .. if Nolan does get nominated
:lol
3. Thats like your opinion mang, not a fact.
Discotheque
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It's not my favorite of the trilogy but there are individual moments that rank as the series' best and it possibly has the best soundtrack in the trilogy too.
Dat Rohirrim charge, You bow to noone, become who you were born to be etc. etc. God damn.
For me:
LOTR > Indiana Jones trilogy (there wasn't a fourth) > Batman > Star Wars
Would totally put Spiderman above Batman and Godfather above all if the third films weren't such disappointments.
TTT IS the weakest of the three but the introduction of Gollum and Helms Deep is just awesome.
I think TDKR will be a film that's will stand the test of time better, as the Wagneresque Tale of Two Cities plot coupled with an extraordinary amount of characters and events can be quite complex for many people's first-time viewings.
It's funny, despite Nolan being so overt in using exposition through dialogue, the symbolism and thematic ramifications of some events and characters seem to have gone over many people's heads (e.g.
etc.). At least it looks like a lot of criticism I have seen is actually disproved in the film, yet many hasn't noticed it. Thus I think TDKR will be better once the dust has settled (but there'll still be excavated a lot of flaws in editing and writing I'd imagine)
EDIT: Oh, I thought this was the spoiler thread. Luckily I mistakenly spoiler-tagged the post
It's funny, despite Nolan being so overt in using exposition through dialogue, the symbolism and thematic ramifications of some events and characters seem to have gone over many people's heads (e.g.
Tali's reveal, Bane's motivations, Alfred's resignation, Batman returning "twice",
EDIT: Oh, I thought this was the spoiler thread. Luckily I mistakenly spoiler-tagged the post
Weird thing happened this weekend. After my first viewing of TDKR at midnight, I was sure TDK>TDKR>BB. I was never a huge fan of BB, just never clicked with me. However, after thinking about TDKR and the strong connection to BB, I decided to watch it again for the hell of it. Well, I guess it finally clicked with me, because I loved Batman Begins on that viewing. And so two more viewings of BB later, and one more of TDKR, I have settled on:
BB>TDKR>TDK
Great trilogy.
BB>TDKR>TDK
Great trilogy.
Phat Michael
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what a terrible film. such poorly written self indulgent overacted tripe. Bale is shocking at.Batman (that stupid voice) and it was just so long winded and boring...Nolan has killed this series and run it into the ground.
ii Stryker
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Yeah I watched BB and TDK over the weekend before going to see TDKR on monday. And I'd have to say the Nolan's and Goyer ever so slightly surpassed what they had achieved with TDK.
It brings the trilogy full circle and closes it out on a meaningful and tasteful way.
I'm going to miss Nolan, Bale, Caine, Freeman, and the world and characters they've crafted. :'(
-Pyromaniac-
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on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being weird and 1 being normal, how does it feel to know you're so wrong, now that I've told you that you are?
ViewtifulJC
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Phat Michael
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dude it is so badly written and so boring. you can attack me all you like but I had nothing to do with the film being abysmal, you can blame the director and the cast for that.
I love batman as a character, I thought the dark knight was great, but this movie was sooooooo bad.
I think what people want is a more impressive batman. Batman himself isn't really impressive in this movie outside of gadgetry. Catwoman had a bit more flair this movie in how she was taking out the baddies.
This series definitely nails the tone of batman, and it will stand the test of time when it comes to that. But for future movies, I think they can up the ante on batman himself and make his moments a bit more impressive. It didn't help that batman himself is (light spoiler)
barely in the movie
Phat Michael
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if ur talking about me thats not true. nolan was fantastic with memento and the 2nd film was great, im not trolling anyone, im telling you I just think its an awful film.
ii Stryker
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If you haven't seen the first two Nolan Batman movies, taken out of context I can see where some would come to this conclusion about TDKR.
However watch the first two first and then TDKR and it closes out the trilogy very well. Hell I thought TDKR was even darker in tone than TDK. It's supposed to be taken as a trilogy.
Phat Michael
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ive seen all 3. im a big batman fan and I have a lot of the comics and graphic novels. the first batman (nolan) was a 6.5 for me, the 2nd an 8, the new one a 5 or slightly less.
The point isn't whether or not TDKR deserves to be nominated.
The Academy will ALWAYS nominate an oscar-bait drama/comedy over a summer blockbuster. Obviously, there are exceptions, but it has always been the case.
I legitimately think TDK deserved a best pic nom from 2008, since it is easily the most memorable film from that year. But Oscar-bait shite like Frost/Nixon and Milk (Movies people don't even remember that exist) will always be preferred.
The Academy will ALWAYS nominate an oscar-bait drama/comedy over a summer blockbuster. Obviously, there are exceptions, but it has always been the case.
I legitimately think TDK deserved a best pic nom from 2008, since it is easily the most memorable film from that year. But Oscar-bait shite like Frost/Nixon and Milk (Movies people don't even remember that exist) will always be preferred.
ViewtifulJC
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Milk is one of the best biopics of the last decade, how dare you, sir.
*slaps with glove*
I challenge you to a duel. We meet at dawn.
Inferno313
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Yeah, this series is DEAD. What a crash and burn bomb this movie was.
Yeah, I doubt Nolan will make another one after this debacle.
He is a dark knight not a caped crusader.
His movements are clunky and slow just like an actual knight in Armour. He is more like an intimidating tank (much like the tumbler).
Oddly enough, he is trained like a ninja.
Kung Fu Grip
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http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2012/07/23/dark-victory-dark-knight-rises
For us hometheater sound design freaks.
Edit- It doesn't specifically talk about sound, the movie as whole also.
For us hometheater sound design freaks.
Edit- It doesn't specifically talk about sound, the movie as whole also.
vicissitudes
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He is a dark knight not a caped crusader.
His movements are clunky and slow just like an actual knight in Armour. He is more like an intimidating tank (much like the tumbler).
Oddly enough, he is trained like a ninja.
His movements were much faster in Begins. Another reason why Begins is the best Batman movie.
Phat Michael
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lol @ the people with batman avatars taking the movie criticisms personally.
the movie will do well at the box office, but really, thats no indication of quality.
Actually, begins has the absolute worst fight scenes.
The stuff with ras on the ice is cool, and heck even the shipment raid scene (he isnt supposed to be seen a lot, so it works just for that scene)
But every action scene in the narrows/ras fight on the metro are horribly choreographed and shot.
I hope TDKR has better stuff. TDK also had stupid "elbow-jab" combat.
triplestation
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Nolan gb2 film school.
Inferno313
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TDKR's fight scenes are excellent. Everything's choreographed very well this time, and shot in a way that you can see everything now.
planar1280
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Ok this is becoming ridiculous now
You're going to look back on this last week and feel embarrassed with how you've acted.
No one is saying you can't hate the movie, but don't go down like this.
Its funny people say he needs to go to film school - because it is true he didn't study film.
He was an English major or something, IRC from his wiki page. Yet, GAF still thinks he is the worst writer of all time (along with action director). I personally think his background shows in that he has some good characterizations and story concepts but translates them into a convoluted screenplay.
He was an English major or something, IRC from his wiki page. Yet, GAF still thinks he is the worst writer of all time (along with action director). I personally think his background shows in that he has some good characterizations and story concepts but translates them into a convoluted screenplay.
MrPink93485
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So has Bangladesh adopted the Good Job Bob role for TDKR?
EdibleExplosives
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Anyone who thinks Nolan is a bad writer or director obviously hasn't seen a lot of movies. He's not holy fuckballs amazing, but he's not bad either.
1. This movie is different. Just as TDK was different from BB, this one is different from TDK. This probably rubs some the wrong way, especially Joker and TDK-fans. Even if story-wise its obviously a direct continuation from the past two movies, it feels totally different - that was my first thought at least. Just the fact that there's
, I think signifies that they just want all three movies to stand out from each other.
2. The first act introduces a lot of characters and even though it was a midnight showing - something which I tried to remedy with a couple of Redbulls, I just couldn't keep up. I didn't know who some of the characters were even after the movie ended. I suspect the reason why people feel the first act is "slow" is because it has a lot of drama and character scenes in it. In many ways, that it "drags on" could be argued as intentional because the first act deals with an important issue so the payoff is pretty important. I mean, many probably think the first part of BB is "boring" because we don't get to see Batman in the movie until after an entire hour. The same interpretation could apply here.
3. Mandated second or third viewing. After you see the movie, the first thing you ought to think is "When can I see it again?". Just like most Nolan movies cuts are fast, people speak in subtexts, characters do things you don't pick up the first time, you don't understand certain scenes or important characters, you miss things that are showed to you because of the story elements introduced later which make you feel dumb the second time around, etc. I think some of the negative aspects of TDKR is that Nolan maybe relied on his fast and furious directing style of cramming scene by scene with story nuggets one after another so fast this time that most people just can't keep up. If one thinks this movie sucked or were a bit disappointed by it, it would probably be a good idea to watch it again since it could probably alleviate some of the "omg holy shit I'm finally watching this" blinding factor. I mean, when saw it I was constantly going "this doesn't feel as good of a movie". But as it built itself up, it got better. Now after about 24 hours of digestiation and contemplating the story and some scenes, it actually is a lot better of a movie than what I felt at the theater. That's why I think it probably deserves more than one viewing in order to fully appreciate it - we all just don't understand it the first time around.
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2. The first act introduces a lot of characters and even though it was a midnight showing - something which I tried to remedy with a couple of Redbulls, I just couldn't keep up. I didn't know who some of the characters were even after the movie ended. I suspect the reason why people feel the first act is "slow" is because it has a lot of drama and character scenes in it. In many ways, that it "drags on" could be argued as intentional because the first act deals with an important issue so the payoff is pretty important. I mean, many probably think the first part of BB is "boring" because we don't get to see Batman in the movie until after an entire hour. The same interpretation could apply here.
3. Mandated second or third viewing. After you see the movie, the first thing you ought to think is "When can I see it again?". Just like most Nolan movies cuts are fast, people speak in subtexts, characters do things you don't pick up the first time, you don't understand certain scenes or important characters, you miss things that are showed to you because of the story elements introduced later which make you feel dumb the second time around, etc. I think some of the negative aspects of TDKR is that Nolan maybe relied on his fast and furious directing style of cramming scene by scene with story nuggets one after another so fast this time that most people just can't keep up. If one thinks this movie sucked or were a bit disappointed by it, it would probably be a good idea to watch it again since it could probably alleviate some of the "omg holy shit I'm finally watching this" blinding factor. I mean, when saw it I was constantly going "this doesn't feel as good of a movie". But as it built itself up, it got better. Now after about 24 hours of digestiation and contemplating the story and some scenes, it actually is a lot better of a movie than what I felt at the theater. That's why I think it probably deserves more than one viewing in order to fully appreciate it - we all just don't understand it the first time around.
Lactose_Intolerant
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That's really my only complaint. The fighting isn't all that great. I'll have to rewatch the latest film, but the 1st 2 had pretty poor hand to hand fighting segments. The only time he moves fast is when he's grabbing people and all you see is a glimpse of his cape.
vicissitudes
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I'll agree that the fight with Ra's could have been better but the dock scene and the scene with Scarecrow's goons epitomized how Batman is supposed to fight. We go from Batman running circles around the mob and appearing out of nowhere to Batman standing still in the middle of a huge crowd as Bane approaches him. The fighting was clearer in DKR but that doesn't necessarily mean it's better.
No one would take your dislike of the movie as anything more, since there are probably close to half of GAF posters who were disappointed or didn't like it, but then your post included something stupid like "run the series into the ground".
Um its a trilogy. It was the last movie no matter what.
I would add that box office, plus critical acclaim, plus fan acclaim does add up to some sort of consensus about the quality of a movie. It doesn't mean you have to like it but it does tell you something about the movie.
Phat Michael
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I disagree with your last point. inception was a terrible film and its heralded on this forum as the best movie of all time.
ive learned on this forum:
everyone loves nolan, hes the best director of all time and is faultless.
james cameron is a hack, avatar was terrible.
zac snyder, michael bay cant direct and all their movies are terrible.
a lot of people hate joss whedon but cant articulate why.
halfway through batman I was just praying for something interesting to happen or that it would end. nolan needs to learn how to edit or at least tell a compelling story.
I don't think I've ever seen one person on a forum or in real life say Inception is the best film of all time.
Wrong and wrong
Wrong and right. Avatar is loathsome.
Snyder is an uninspired director rather than a bad one, and Bay is far too self-indulgent. The Rock and Bad Boys II are great though.
I don't hate him but I certainly don't like him. He's just there.
It seems to me like this implies that Bay does edit his films wonderfully.
Gaming-Ryu
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It improves a lot for me too after the second viewing. I still find some of the script and editing clunky, but the movie flows much better the second time around allowing me more time to absorb its atmosphere, details and characters.
Same here. I went in clean on opening day without watching any of the previous films for quite some time. After being a bit disappointed afterwards, I decided to re-watch BB, since it has such a big connections to TDKR, and went back to the theater for a second viewing. Wow, what a difference. I already loved BB before, but I like it even more now. TDKR also improves quite a bit after a re-watch. At the very least, it marks a great end to an awesome trilogy.
I too will miss the great characters and the gritty fully realized world that Nolan and his awesome cast have created throughout this trilogy. I just don't think something of its ilk that came from a comic book source will be created any time soon. The character journey of Bruce Wayne through this trilogy is just so well done and realized. Truly memorable.
So, to the people that don't like Rises, I suggest a second viewing, preferably after re-watching Begins.
TDKR after 1st viewing = 7-7.5
TDKR after 2nd viewing = 8-8.5
Adored BB(Act 1 mostly), respected TDK quite a bit.
Based on the string of comments, it sounds like I am primed to really enjoy TDKR given the connection and completion of the hero's journey. Looking forward to seeing it this week finally.
Based on the string of comments, it sounds like I am primed to really enjoy TDKR given the connection and completion of the hero's journey. Looking forward to seeing it this week finally.
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