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[Loghorn150]

They sell well because of Sony's rep. After the ps2, who wouldn't want these sure hit devices? I have both, begged my parents to get me a ps3. and I purchase a pspGo($75) and I love it. ps1 RPG machine right there.
But as we clearly see with the Vita, Move, and a heap of other Sony PlayStation shit, their past success are fading from memory.
The Market has changed, Sony has not. Different Habitat, same Habits = failure.
They still have plenty of time to turns things around, but there is no sign of that.
I wish them success, but they have to use their heads. Its not just the things they do, its the things that they don't do as well.

I agree with you there. They got lucky with the PS3 because of the huge success with PS2, even after with the $600 debacle. I highly doubt that they'll be lucky again with PS4, because PS3 isn't exactly like the PS2 in terms of huge success, especially when you got both Nintendo & Microsoft being more fiercer in competition than back in the days with the Gamecube/Xbox/PS2 era.

 

[Akkad]

Sony's problem isn't software. Sony's problem is Sony.

Stop posting.

 

[Unknown One]

Wii U will. Don't know what Vita will be doing from the grave.

PSP was literally dead for the first half of it's life. It could come back up just as PSP and PS3 did.

 

[Triple U]

Sony's problem isn't software. Sony's problem is Sony.

Your troll act is old and obvious by now dude. Must you try and shit up every thread about Sony?

 

[Alien Bob]

There was certainly something wrong with 2006 Sony, but isn't 2012 Sony better?

The question is whether 2012 Sony is good enough to make up for 2006 Sony's mistakes.

It certainly doesn't look like they've applied all lessons learned from the PS3 launch to the Vita, particularly when it comes to pricing.

 

[DidntKnowJack]

Your troll act is old and obvious by now dude. Must you try and shit up every thread about Sony?

Glad I'm not the only one that noticed.

It certainly doesn't look like they've applied all lessons learned from the PS3 launch to the Vita, particularly when it comes to pricing.

Hear this all the time, yet when Sony announced the launch price of the Vita, people were cheering.

 

[Triple U]

Brilliance is a strong word :/
Does he mean above average, or maybe well polished?

Sony problem is Sony. They get in their own way of success constantly like clockwork.
They dont know how to price games, Hardware.
They dont know what their fans or consumers want.
They have some delusion user-base for their odd products and services that clearly does not exist.
They are their own problem. They cant see years ahead of time like their competitors. They don't understand how to get inside the consumers mind like everyone else does so effortlessly.

The hate is strong with this one.

I agree with you there. They got lucky with the PS3 because of the huge success with PS2, even after with the $600 debacle. I highly doubt that they'll be lucky again with PS4, because PS3 isn't exactly like the PS2 in terms of huge success, especially when you got both Nintendo & Microsoft being more fiercer in competition than back in the days with the Gamecube/Xbox/PS2 era.

Im trying to make sense of this post, but it just isn't there.

PS3 is the top-selling console in 2012 because of the success of the PS2?

 

[Soul_Pie]

The games industry is very, very crowded these days, though, I think Sony's still doing a good job but they've been brought back to the pack. The fact is Vita and PS3 are decent pieces of hardware, maybe not that well priced but not exorbitantly so (save for the initial PS3 price point). This generation is not so much Sony failing, it's Nintendo and Microsoft really getting themselves together as well as the Steam and digital revolution on PC. Worldwide PS3 and 360 are just about neck and neck as far as I know so it's not as if Sony has fallen off the face of the map. I think the next PS3 price drop will come soon though, the reason I think they've lingered is because this is going to be a long generation and Sony need one more little trick up their sleeve for PS3's last gasp.

The only problem I see is the Vita which I like as a piece of hardware a lot (save for the memory cards, ugh) but I don't think there's a market there for it and I think it's one of those things that actually should have been a peripheral for the next playstation as a means of combating WiiU. (ie you use it as a controller with a screen displaying the console) I personally don't think the Vita, as it stands really has a place within the industry, I don't think sony has the same grip on the handheld market as Nintendo do and should have come to that realisation.

 

[Daydream Sequence]

Stop posting.

You first.

Here's Kaz's stated mission in 2012 to save Sony, stated by Andrew House:

"One Sony is the mantra: it's about pulling together the resources of the company in the best way possible, and with no fiefdoms and no infighting to be tolerated." Sounds like a challenge, but House believes that Hirai is up to it. "There's a sense that Kaz is a change-agent," House said. "He has absolutely set out his mantra that Sony will change and he will change Sony."

Hirai is also changing how certain groups within Sony operate. In the past, a division would create their own products independent of a higher say in the matter. Now, Hirai is vouching to control that, stating that “We’re going to tell you what you are going to make—not the other way around. This is a complete sea change.”

Kaz understood/understands that the problem with Sony is/was Sony. Thus his new direction to save them. The more you know.

Your troll act is old and obvious by now dude. Must you try and shit up every thread about Sony?

Trolling eh? I assume Kaz is trolling you too then when he stated that Sony was its own biggest enemy. Drop the woe-as-me victim complex. No one is out to get you here.

 

[CornBurrito]

Besides the memory card issue, what can Sony be blamed for? For not having enough software? Blame the publishers who are unwilling to take a risk (and rightfully so in this market).

The memory card issue is actually pretty big. I know that for some people (including myself) the "hidden" additional cost of a Vita prevents them from buying it.

Hear this all the time, yet when Sony announced the launch price of the Vita, people were cheering.

Was this before or after 80-100 dollar 32gig proprietary memory cards were announced?

 

[Loghorn150]

I'm trying to make sense of this post, but it just isn't there.

PS3 is the top-selling console in 2012 because of the success of the PS2?

I'm saying that Sony was lucky to be around in the gaming division because of the huge success of the PS2 after what happened with the PS3's $600 debacle.

 

[Gorillaz]

Sony's problem isn't software. Sony's problem is Sony.

this guy.....


oh yea try to hid the anti sony post a little better because your doing terrible with it.

 

[Daydream Sequence]

The memory card issue is actually pretty big. I know that for some people (including myself) the "hidden" additional cost of a Vita prevents them from buying it.

Memory card issue didn't stop me because there was a game that I wanted to play (Lumines). I imagine it wouldnt stop others if there was a must-have or two for them. Sony needs more must-haves for the Vita, as well as addressing the price issue, which I'm sure even affects the buying habits of someone that does see a must-have but views the 250+memory card price as a roadblock to a purchase.

this guy.....


oh yea try to hid the anti sony post a little better because your doing terrible with it.

I'd take a shot at responding to this, but honestly I have no idea what you just said.

 

[kevm3]

Sony's problem was they sacrificed the PS3 to trojan in the blu-ray and their marketing was terrible.

 

[Alien Bob]

Hear this all the time, yet when Sony announced the launch price of the Vita, people were cheering.

I think the price was appealing to those who understand the tech within it, especially when compared to the price of smartphones and tablets. But that's not the price the market is willing to pay for it, apparently, and a lower price could have compensated for the perceived lack of non-console-experienced games.

 

[CornBurrito]

Memory card issue didn't stop me because there was a game that I wanted to play (Lumines). I imagine it wouldnt stop others if there was a must-have or two for them. Sony needs more must-haves for the Vita, as well as addressing the price issue, which I'm sure even affects the buying habits of someone that does see a must-have but views the 250+memory card price as a roadblock to a purchase.

I can't imagine dropping 250 + tax + memory card + game price for a single game.

 

[Burai]

Hear this all the time, yet when Sony announced the launch price of the Vita, people were cheering.

That's because a $249 Vita against a $249 3DS is a bargain.

Problem is, 3DS isn't $249 any more.

 

[Daydream Sequence]

I can't imagine dropping 250 + tax + memory card + game price for a single game.

Yeah, I'm probably not the norm in that regard, but I also have a good sized library of PSP digital downloads that look and play great on the Vita.

 

[Terrell]

Their software on a worldwide scale tends to do quite well. It's not really their fault that some people seem to think the gaming world revolves around America.

Why not? Look at Sony's IP catalog from 2006 leading up to today... if Sony didn't want people to think that the gaming world revolves around North America, perhaps they shouldn't have made their IP catalog to almost exclusively cater to North Americans.

Besides the memory card issue, what can Sony be blamed for? For not having enough software? Blame the publishers who are unwilling to take a risk (and rightfully so in this market).

It's not the publishers' fault that Sony expects them to carry a launch entirely on their own. I mean, it's not like we have a recent example of that backfiring, ri--- OH WAIT.

But we can't be surprised that Sony expected them to carry the Vita on their own at launch. After all, publishers have done exactly that for them on every other platform for....17 years or so?

PSP was literally dead for the first half of it's life. It could come back up just as PSP and PS3 did.

If the PSP can be deemed dead sales-wise at launch, then Vita is at the point where it's been cremated and had the ashes scattered to the wind.

 

[iammeiam]

I think the price was appealing to those who understand the tech within it, especially when compared to the price of smartphones and tablets. But that's not the price the market is willing to pay for it, apparently, and a lower price could have compensated for the perceived lack of non-console-experienced games.

It was a combination of that, being against a 3DS that was at the time of announcement $249, and the price being announced back when everyone naively thought the Vita would have some form of onboard storage.

Unfortunately Nintendo made an early pricedrop, taking away Vita's "the same price but way more technically advanced" position, and it came to light you wouldn't even be able to launch some games without purchasing overpriced proprietary memory cards.

Unfortunately for Sony, Nintendo fought back instead of rolling over and playing dead, and unfortunately for us Sony got to the $249 pricepoint by cutting margin thin enough they need to gouge on memory to make up for it.

 

[Gorillaz]

The price of the vita was appealing until people realized months later that it wasn't worth it, esp with the lack of games at launch.

I'd take a shot at responding to this, but honestly I have no idea what you just said.

I think you do know what im saying...but it's not even worth the argument.

 

[Triple U]

You first.

Here's Kaz's stated mission in 2012 to save Sony, stated by Andrew House:

"One Sony is the mantra: it's about pulling together the resources of the company in the best way possible, and with no fiefdoms and no infighting to be tolerated." Sounds like a challenge, but House believes that Hirai is up to it. "There's a sense that Kaz is a change-agent," House said. "He has absolutely set out his mantra that Sony will change and he will change Sony."

Kaz understood/understands that the problem with Sony is/was Sony. Thus his new direction to save them. The more you know.



Trolling eh? I assume Kaz is trolling you too then when he stated that Sony was its own biggest enemy. Drop the woe-as-me victim complex. No one is out to get you here.

What victim complex? Like dude, I have seen dozens of you on gaf and they don't last long.

Anyway, you are mixing Sony's overall woes with SCE's. The only thing really bogging down SCE is Vita. And like the OP mentioned its always been a price issue, they have had a higher barrier of entry since this gen has started for both systems.

Despite that, PS3 has managed to be the best selling HD console for the past 3 years and is about to get a price cut. They won't be so lucky with the Vita, considering Nintendo's dominance in the handheld market but I do commend them on at least not going into the panic mode that Nintendo did.

 

[Daydream Sequence]

I think you do know what im saying...but it's not even worth the argument.

I honestly don't know what you were trying to say. I'm not hiding anything. Kaz said Sony's biggest problems that he has to overcome is Sony themselves and how they've functioned in the past. Do you feel like Kaz is trolling you?

 

[AniHawk]

a lot of their software stuff has generally the same feel to it. most of it shoots for a cinematic, unvideogamey presentation and they are marketed as such. i don't think it's a small wonder that their most consistently straightforward property, gran turismo, is also their most popular.

the psp demonstrated a lack of understanding of handheld systems, but i don't think they really get how to make simpler games either. littlebigplanet is technically one of their most accessible games, but it's also really wrapped up in a needlessly complex presentation.

sound shapes, on the other hand, is a huge step in the right direction.

 

[Card Boy]

Or maybe gamers at large just don't think Sony's software is that brilliant?

I have being saying this for years. Outside acouple games like inFamous, Uncharted and GT, Sonys software has no relevancy to the masses and is just championed by nerds on the Internet.

Sony never will get their own version of Halo/Gears/Mario/Zelda etc, they blew it when they lost Spyro and Crash Bandicoot. There is never a go to game for the 'Playstation Family' like the way people flock to the Xbox for Halo or Nintendo devices for Mario/Zelda.

 

[Gorillaz]

I honestly don't know what you were trying to say. I'm not hiding anything. Kaz said Sony's biggest problems that he has to overcome is Sony themselves and how they've functioned in the past. Do you feel like Kaz is trolling you?

why would you say that? where did that even come from? lol

 

[Daydream Sequence]

What victim complex? Like dude, I have seen dozens of you on gaf and they don't last long.

Anyway, you are mixing Sony's overall woes with SCE's. The only thing really bogging down SCE is Vita. And like the OP mentioned its always been a price issue, they have had a higher barrier of entry since this gen has started for both systems.

You're saying people that don't have an allegiance to a company are an endangered species? Interesting. I'm not mixing Sony's overall woes with SCE. Sony is. Kaz agrees. SCE isn't sitting there making brilliant choices but being destroyed by the rest of Sony. It's the culture of the entire company that Kaz is now tasked with overhauling. I wish him all the luck in the world. Without the Playstation brand to push Microsoft, they'll get even worse and worse.

It's wasn't just a price issue. Another huge problem for them was third party relations. At the start of this gen Sony was treating third party devs like shit. And it came back to bite them in the ass. Price was obviously a huge issue as well, but it was far more than that. The culture of Sony did them no favors and with another big player in the market, it wasn't hard for devs to look elsewhere.

 

[Triple U]

I have being saying this for years. Outside acouple games like inFamous, Uncharted and GT, Sonys software has no relevancy to the masses and is just championed by nerds on the Internet.

Sony never will get their own version of Halo/Gears/Mario/Zelda etc, they blew it when they lost Spyro and Crash Bandicoot. There is never a go to game for the 'Playstation Family' like the way people flock to the Xbox for Halo or Nintendo devices for Mario/Zelda.

Sony's mantra has never been to bet all the cards on a few 2 or 3 IPS. You won't ever find a Halo or Mario.

What you will find is one of the best, if not the best 1st party stables ever pumping out multiple top quality titles. It hasn't done bad for them and certainly is better from a gamers standpoint.

 

[Acrylic7]

The hate is strong with this one.

No, I only have a ps3 as my current gen console. Happy with it, but they are doing tons of shit wrong. Take off your child glasses.

Im trying to make sense of this post, but it just isn't there.

PS3 is the top-selling console in 2012 because of the success of the PS2?

....no, geez
I don't see how you are confused by his post. Its pretty simplistic and easy to rationalize and understand.

 

[LiquidSolid]

That's incorrect. Take the Ratchet and Clank series. On PS2 the US sales of each game was more than the total of Europe and Japan combined(or close to it). On the PS3 versions US sales are below Europe for each Ratchet game. Sony cares very much about this. If they don't, they're fools.

Still waiting for a source. I call bullshit.

 

[Concept17]

Isn't Sony pouring a lot of resources into PS4 at this point? Shouldn't we be expecting losses right now?

 

[SolidSnakex]

Sony never will get their own version of Halo/Gears/Mario/Zelda etc, they blew it when they lost Spyro and Crash Bandicoot. There is never a go to game for the 'Playstation Family' like the way people flock to the Xbox for Halo or Nintendo devices for Mario/Zelda.

And that's GT5's sales after one year. It's always been known as a series with extremely long legs. In 2010 GT4 finally surpassed GT1 as the best second best selling game in these series.

 

[Daydream Sequence]

Still waiting for a source. I call bullshit.

Was from a gaming podcast a year or two ago (IGN I think). The subject was the state of Sony franchises. If you have data that contradicts it, feel free to share it. Obviously you must have that data or else you wouldn't be posting. So show it and I'll admit I was wrong for trusting someone else's data.

 

[Card Boy]

Sony's mantra has never been to bet all the cards on a few 2 or 3 IPS. You won't ever find a Halo or Mario.

What you will find is one of the best, if not the best 1st party stables ever pumping out multiple top quality titles. It hasn't done bad for them and certainly is better from a gamers standpoint.

They need their own Halo or Mario because they have lost the relevancy they had with the PS1 and PS2. The masses don't give a sweaty toss about Genericzone, Resistance, MAG and whatever other crap they have. They want games with SOUL and personality.

And that's GT5's sales after one year. It's always been known as a series with extremely long legs. In 2010 GT4 finally surpassed GT1 as the best second best selling game in these series.

Why did you neglect to quote the rest of my post where I mentioned 'GT' aka Gran Turismo?

 

[Triple U]

You're saying people that don't have an allegiance to a company are an endangered species? Interesting. I'm not mixing Sony's overall woes with SCE. Sony is. Kaz agrees. SCE isn't sitting there making brilliant choices but being destroyed by the rest of Sony. It's the culture of the entire company that Kaz is now tasked with overhauling. I wish him all the luck in the world. Without the Playstation brand to push Microsoft, they'll get even worse and worse.

ok lol.

You are basing this one what again?

Ever since Kaz took control of Sony his message has been clear and concise. They are trimming their fat off and focusing on their strongest businesses, which mean gaming will get even more focus moving foward.

Hirai started his Sony career at Sony Computer Entertainment America, before being appointed as Sony CEO and president this April. He said that games were still a priority to the business.

"We need to make sure that we continue our success in the entertainment space-in the music space, in the video game space, and in motion pictures. That's an area where we are profitable, and it needs to continue to grow."

No, I only have a ps3 as my current gen console. Happy with it, but they are doing tons of shit wrong. Take off your child glasses.

So not agreeing with your ridiculously biased post is childish now? And somehow your claim of only having a sony console is supposed to quantify your objectiveness( or obvious lack of)?

 

[shinnn]

Im trying to make sense of this post, but it just isn't there.

PS3 is the top-selling console in 2012 because of the success of the PS2?

Well I think most of this difference in sales come from Japan. And yes, its because of the PS2 success over there. What they are buying there? Sony new first party games?

Same for the europe. I don't see the Sony lineup being strong there. People buy a playstation more because they are used to than because of Sony efforts.

 

[Loghorn150]

Isn't Sony pouring a lot of resources into PS4 at this point? Shouldn't we be expecting losses right now?

I think so, according to this, SCE has made at least $644 Billion yen from 1995 to 2005, then lost at least $462 Billion yen from 2006-2009 due to the R&D for PS3, & following the years from 2007-2009.

I imagine that they're taking what's left of the SCE's profits (including the $47 Billion Yen from FY 2010 & the $29.3 Billion yen from FY 2011) & are putting it towards R&D for PS4.

 

[Acrylic7]

They need their own Halo or Mario because they have lost the relevancy they had with the PS1 and PS2. The masses don't give a sweaty toss about Genericzone, Resistance, MAG and whatever other crap they have. They want games with SOUL and personality.

They could have had a system seller with kz2, but they really fucked that up.
kz2 MP is the shit. Multiplayer is on par with Gears 1.
Also with Resistance. Probably the best Co-Op FPS I played this gen, so much fun. Then 2 came out...
gotta be careful with these IP's

 

[SolidSnakex]

Why did you neglect to quote the rest of my post where I mentioned 'GT' aka Gran Turismo?

Because that second part that you added makes no sense considering that Sony does have that exact series that you're claiming that they'll never have. Or does GT not count because it's a racing game?

 

[Daydream Sequence]

ok lol.

You are basing this one what again?

Ever since Kaz took control of Sony his message has been clear and concise. They are trimming their fat off and focusing on their strongest businesses, which mean gaming will get even more focus moving foward.

The Vita comes from one of the supposed strongest business units. Obviously they're not infallible or immune to the ills that affect the rest of Sony's business units. And it's pretty clear when he says that no group is going to be simply allowed to create shit without approval anymore. Under these new rules, the PS3 would never have existed in the form it was released in. Also makes you wonder where Kaz/Sony are getting their insane Vita sales projections from.

 

[DidntKnowJack]

Was from a gaming podcast a year or two ago (IGN I think). The subject was the state of Sony franchises. If you have data that contradicts it, feel free to share it. Obviously you must have that data or else you wouldn't be posting. So show it and I'll admit I was wrong for trusting someone else's data.

That's not how it works, junior. You make a bold assertion, you have the burden of proof, not the guy who calls you out on your BS.

 

[Triple U]

They need their own Halo or Mario because they have lost the relevancy they had with the PS1 and PS2. The masses don't give a sweaty toss about Genericzone, Resistance, MAG and whatever other crap they have. They want games with SOUL and personality.



Why did you neglect to quote the rest of my post where I mentioned 'GT' aka Gran Turismo?

How are they not relevant? Are you just ignoring the PS3's past three years or what?

Well I think most of this difference in sales come from Japan. And yes, its because of the PS2 success over there. What they are buying there? Sony new first party games?

Same for the europe. I don't see the Sony lineup being strong there. People buy a playstation more because they are used to than because of Sony efforts.

No it doesn't. Not at all.

 

[Triple U]

The Vita comes from one of the supposed strongest business units. Obviously they're not infallible or immune to the ills that affect the rest of Sony's business units. And it's pretty clear when he says that no group is going to be simply allowed to create shit without approval anymore. Under these new rules, the PS3 would never have existed in the form it was released in. Also makes you wonder where Kaz/Sony are getting their insane Vita sales projections from.

It does. It also came into a market that has been monopolized by Nintendo pretty much since its existed.

 

[Acrylic7]

So not agreeing with your ridiculously biased post is childish now? And somehow your claim of only having a sony console is supposed to quantify your objectiveness( or obvious lack of)?

well don't post things like' The hate is strong with this one"?
there is no hate in my post. if you want to say or not agree with something then tell me why you disagree.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

I give their showing a D-, slightly higher than Microsoft and Nintendo's showing. But only slightly.




Yes, folks, people like this exist.

The millions upon millions of people buying them?

Millions upon millions of people see no reason to buy a Vita, I assume. No idea. Maybe he'll chime in.

They beat capcom, we think.

Given the choice, I'd rather own the Americas.

They don't give a shit about Gamescom. Can't blame Sony for going. They're in last place in the console and handheld biz. Use every opportunity to remind people that you haven't gone out of business yet. And then throw some money at IGN to write you a love letter. Bing bang boom. Success!

That really colorful shooter Dust I'm playing needs more shooting, amirite? How very Gamesfaq-sian of you.

Sony's problem isn't software. Sony's problem is Sony.

Sales = future viability of your company. No one wants to be the company producing games with high reviews and shit sales.

They're not good enough that people are buying them in huge numbers. That's a problem. The obvious goal when they create software isn't to be a media darling. It's to sell tons of copies. They're failing miserably at that this gen for whatever reason. It doesn't help that their marketing ranges from inept(Marcus and Kevin Butler) to non-existant.



They used to own North America. You don't think they view it as a huge failure that they're now in dead last place there?

That's incorrect. Take the Ratchet and Clank series. On PS2 the US sales of each game was more than the total of Europe and Japan combined(or close to it). On the PS3 versions US sales are below Europe for each Ratchet game. Sony cares very much about this. If they don't, they're fools.

You first.

Here's Kaz's stated mission in 2012 to save Sony, stated by Andrew House:

"One Sony is the mantra: it's about pulling together the resources of the company in the best way possible, and with no fiefdoms and no infighting to be tolerated." Sounds like a challenge, but House believes that Hirai is up to it. "There's a sense that Kaz is a change-agent," House said. "He has absolutely set out his mantra that Sony will change and he will change Sony."



Kaz understood/understands that the problem with Sony is/was Sony. Thus his new direction to save them. The more you know.





Trolling eh? I assume Kaz is trolling you too then when he stated that Sony was its own biggest enemy. Drop the woe-as-me victim complex. No one is out to get you here.

Memory card issue didn't stop me because there was a game that I wanted to play (Lumines). I imagine it wouldnt stop others if there was a must-have or two for them. Sony needs more must-haves for the Vita, as well as addressing the price issue, which I'm sure even affects the buying habits of someone that does see a must-have but views the 250+memory card price as a roadblock to a purchase.




I'd take a shot at responding to this, but honestly I have no idea what you just said.

Yeah, I'm probably not the norm in that regard, but I also have a good sized library of PSP digital downloads that look and play great on the Vita.

I honestly don't know what you were trying to say. I'm not hiding anything. Kaz said Sony's biggest problems that he has to overcome is Sony themselves and how they've functioned in the past. Do you feel like Kaz is trolling you?

You're saying people that don't have an allegiance to a company are an endangered species? Interesting. I'm not mixing Sony's overall woes with SCE. Sony is. Kaz agrees. SCE isn't sitting there making brilliant choices but being destroyed by the rest of Sony. It's the culture of the entire company that Kaz is now tasked with overhauling. I wish him all the luck in the world. Without the Playstation brand to push Microsoft, they'll get even worse and worse.

It's wasn't just a price issue. Another huge problem for them was third party relations. At the start of this gen Sony was treating third party devs like shit. And it came back to bite them in the ass. Price was obviously a huge issue as well, but it was far more than that. The culture of Sony did them no favors and with another big player in the market, it wasn't hard for devs to look elsewhere.

Was from a gaming podcast a year or two ago (IGN I think). The subject was the state of Sony franchises. If you have data that contradicts it, feel free to share it. Obviously you must have that data or else you wouldn't be posting. So show it and I'll admit I was wrong for trusting someone else's data.

Wow, you are working really hard in these Sony threads.

 

[Gorillaz]

They could have had a system seller with kz2, but they really fucked that up.
kz2 MP is the shit. Multiplayer is on par with Gears 1.
Also with Resistance. Probably the best Co-Op FPS I played this gen, so much fun. Then 2 came out...
gotta be careful with these IP's

I will agree with you on the KZ2 thing. Dropped the ball with a franchise that could have really been something. Marketing has been pretty spotty this gen for them unfortunately, glad games like uncharted have become pretty well known even with little to no marketing bac in 07

 

[Baconsammy]

That's not how it works, junior. You make a bold assertion, you have the burden of proof, not the guy who calls you out on your BS.

Stop calling users "junior". It makes you look stupid and the mods have been clear in telling users to knock it off. Secondly, why must my fellow Sony users embarrass me in these threads so frequently? The guy is right. Sony's biggest problem was themselves. They fucking admitted it. If you don't like him pointing out the truth, there's an ignore feature. Use it.

Wow junior, you are working really hard in these Sony threads.

It's never ending. Knock this shit off.

 

[Card Boy]

Wow, you are working really hard in these Sony threads.

Don't do this please, one of these days someone will take a look at your post history and make a mockery out of you. It shits threads and I'm pretty sure it's bannable.

 

[Daydream Sequence]

Wow, you are working really hard in these Sony threads.

What gave away that I hate Sony? The fact that I bought a Vita and a 32 gig card?

 

[Barkley's Justice]

Truth is: 3 competent hardware and software companies are in a small field competing for small and short pickings. Sony isn't doing bad, it's just they're doing worse than the competition.

In a race, everyone's running, but not everyone runs in first place. If they don't die from these losses, they'll still cross that finish line, and be able to race again.

Well said.