CherryWoodFuton
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2012 NBA Offseason |OT2| Lakers Fans Despise Freedom.
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Herpes Reasons
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you shut up. he's right.
we all know cerrius is a jokster.
he'll deny being a fan, but all you gotta do is tickle him in the right spot.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
PnR could get better if he played with a PG who thought about passing..
Blackace
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Welcome to Sonics-Age! Don't forget to spit on the Thunder's jersey on the way out
Herpes Reasons
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wow, never have i seen such a creepster so adament before.
CherryWoodFuton
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what is this I don't even
I'd honestly like to see what he and harden could do in the PnR.
But i think Harden spends a fair bit of time on the court with Collison.
Not that i think it would be amazing or anything, but the thunder need to get their bigs involved scoring wise, for when YNB is shitting the bed.
this is so funny seeing as who posted this
Blackace
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Well I think you proved my point why you could not be a sonics fan
Blackace
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Harden is an overrated ball handler...he is no Manu or when he had knees Roy...
he's the best ball handler on that team though.
MorisUkunRasik
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I think you just pointed out one of the lesser talked about OKC flaws.
mhi
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Are u referring to general "PG" ball handling as in read defense, run offense, screen use, penetrate n kick out or handling as in 'handles' AKA Iverson crossover ?
If its the former then I disagree.
Also Ibaka has shown tremendous improvement since he came in the league. He was pretty raw offensively but now he can shoot the 15 ft on a serviceable %. On defense he came in as just a shotblocker but now he can actually play decent man on man. His help d though is lacking , and thats is because he prefers to stay near the rim (so he can block) instead of rotating to say, near the perimiter.
Right now I would say Noah is slightly better than him(Noah gets the edge here because he is a deft passer) but in two years Ibaka should be better all around.
Blackace
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as in he is a overrated ball handler. Didn't say the guy was a shitty ball handler just overrated..players like Manu, Roy, Pippen who were not 'PGs" could be relied on to do a bulk of the PGs work.. You would not ask that of Harden..
Until Ibaka pretends to have a post game he will never be of much more value than he is now...
mhi
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I think he could(as well as Manu even), they don't utilize him that way because Westbrook is not really a spot up guy so when they are on the court together its better to put the ball in Westbrook's hands cuz Harden can spot up.
Ibaka and a low post game will never happen so if he can get that jumper to 45-48%, the team's spacing will improve.
Also am not a fan of Brook's defensive schemes because they tend to create 1v1 islands.
Wait what?
Boombloxer
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Ibaka is a silver medalist.
You think it's easy to play less minutes than Rudy Fernandez?
I think Hardens a better shooter than Manu (nfi how the %'s play out) but manu would be the better creator for others. For sure. But that doesn't make Harden bad by a long way.You put Harden next to Rose and things would get really interesting out east.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Not bad, but I still stand he is overrated as a ball handler.
I think harden gets praised more for being able to run an offense, than create for others.
I'm confused
shira
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Serge is an ok four.
so are you telling me that he can not only jump out of this gym...BUT THIS PLANET!?!?
and lol at cerrius beings a suns fan, so random
Serge is inconsistent, but he shows stretches of immense potential.
To justify $12 million/year, I'd like to see him:
1) Improve his man defense (definitely doable, although he's valuable against most teams for his weakside D);
2) Develop a better interior offensive game--in a perfect world, I'd like to see him catch the ball on the block 3-4 times/game to switch things up.
3) Be a more consistent rebounder/be more judicious with his block attempts. Someone with his athletic ability should get double-doubles much more consistently than he does.
The work ethic is there, and he's only 22--I think it's reasonable to expect him to meet those goals.
To justify $12 million/year, I'd like to see him:
1) Improve his man defense (definitely doable, although he's valuable against most teams for his weakside D);
2) Develop a better interior offensive game--in a perfect world, I'd like to see him catch the ball on the block 3-4 times/game to switch things up.
3) Be a more consistent rebounder/be more judicious with his block attempts. Someone with his athletic ability should get double-doubles much more consistently than he does.
The work ethic is there, and he's only 22--I think it's reasonable to expect him to meet those goals.
this is the best thing
Grimm Fandango
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So how can the Thunder afford their big 4 players with the rest of the team? I wouldn't have paid Ibaka more than $10M a year.
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
They could use their amnesty on Perkins. 3 years, $25M left on his deal.
MorisUkunRasik
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I wish there was a bad Center with the last name Shittyfive, so I could rework that joke to fit Perkins.
At this point, they're either committing to paying the tax or amnestying Perkins (assuming they keep Harden, which is all but guaranteed IMO).
My personal opinion is that Bennett will pay the tax for a couple years to try and chip, then reevaluate if things don't work out.
Harden will be back, too. And if we're gonna pay the tax, we might as well keep Maynor. He says he really wants to stay, and he makes our bench one of the best in the league.
MorisUkunRasik
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Has Bennet said as much?
I wouldn't trust an owner to spend wildly until they actually do it, and do it wisely. Right Dolan?
Bennett isn't in this primarily to make money, I'm pretty sure--he overpaid for the Sonics and has been pretty conservative with ticket prices and whatnot. I think he wants to be revered and remembered for contributing to OKC in a big way. It's about ego with a lot of these owners.
And let's remember--there's spending big the Dolan Way, then there's spending big on talented young players who were only 3 wins away from a chip just a few months ago.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
A lot has changed in those few months.. Not to say they don't have a chance to chip with their core but man it just got quite a bit harder out west...
Also fuck Bennett.. If I am not mistaken he didn't overpay for the Sonics... He did turn down and huge profit to sell them to local ownership tho
PBC paid around $350 million for the Sonics, iirc, which was above their market value. They knew Schultz would sell the team for a quick buck if the opportunity arose. And why would he sell the team months after buying them? Out of the goodness of his heart?
As for OKC's chances with the addition of Dwight--I think less has to go right for OKC to get back to the Finals than it does for the Lakers. One significant injury and they're fucked, while the Thunder have a big edge in youth, athleticism, perimeter play and bench depth. Whoever has HCA wins that series, I think.
MorisUkunRasik
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Lakers fucked up late in games and OKC beat them, then The Lakers added the best Center in the league, and one of the best offensive PGs in the game.
The leap from Ramon(especially shitty playoff Ramon)/Bynum to Nash/Howard is huge.
I think Lakers get the odds over OKC if they meet in the WCF.
Fish was also playing an inordinate number of minutes in that series. Getting Maynor back should help a lot, and will tilt the bench factor way in OKC's favor.
And everyone always forgets how much this team has improved each year because of simple player development. Next year's Thunder should be better, too.
The gameplan will be to attack the rim and try to get Dwight in foul trouble--and in case you haven't noticed, our guys are pretty good at penetrating and drawing fouls.
Blackace
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Bench depth? over the Lakers? I am calling it now...just like when Dallas made their run.. Lakers are the deepest team (especially on O) in the league...
Blackace
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Lakers are much longer and will be better in transition then they were last year... They are better in every position but SF and maybe Russ' O VS Nash's D gives them an edge or a wash at PG...
Red Blaster
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Lakers will have like the worst perimeter D in the league and there's a very real chance Mike Brown completely mismanages Steve Nash's minutes during the regular season and he ends up not having anything left for the playoffs but Dwight dropped 33 on that awful OKC front line the last time they matched up; they're dead unless KD, YNB and Hardon are all completely on fire.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Ehh, even if Kobe or Nash got hurt, Dwight-Nash-Pau or Dwight-Kobe-Pau would still be a great team. They're fucked if Dwight is hurt though.
Blackace
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D12 going off and then a Nash Pau PnR fest all day
It matters if your starting talent is virtually all you have. Lakers fans are touting Antawn Jamison as some kind of savior who will solve all of their bench scoring issues.
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeit.
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