Is PSN really this bad?
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snoopeasystreet
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The infrastructure is worse than xbl but I can download and play games online without too much hassle and it doesn't cost me anything. So it's better in that regard.
same here. I use background download for large things because I want to do other things, not because I know its the only safe way.
Seems odd that Sony don't simply do background automatically - they do on Vita.
PSN has always maxxed out my connection. Here are my top three tips for getting good PSN download speeds:
The PS3 wireless adaptor is a piece of shit. If you must use wireless then a) for goodness sake turn off media sharing and b) you could try turning off your controllers (seriously) because Bluetooth interferes with Wifi.
The suggestion that PSN infrastructure is not up to scratch is ill-informed nonsense. PSN content is hosted by Akamai and they have one of the best networks in the business. For example they also host content for Apple including all the media on iTunes. It is definitely not a case of crappy servers.
- Use wired
- Use wired
- Use wired
The PS3 wireless adaptor is a piece of shit. If you must use wireless then a) for goodness sake turn off media sharing and b) you could try turning off your controllers (seriously) because Bluetooth interferes with Wifi.
The suggestion that PSN infrastructure is not up to scratch is ill-informed nonsense. PSN content is hosted by Akamai and they have one of the best networks in the business. For example they also host content for Apple including all the media on iTunes. It is definitely not a case of crappy servers.
FanTomasas
Banned
When I patched GT5 with dorm internet, it was ripping it faster than installing. At home, all downloads are equal to my maximum internet speed.
There is no way PSN downloads or patching are slow for me.
There is no way PSN downloads or patching are slow for me.
R_thanatos
Member
Sorry OP but i can't help but laugh
For big files i put them all in background download , to something else and when i'm done with the ps3 i ask the console to shut down itself when the download is done .
i have plenty of digital title so i don't know why you talk about psn when the problem lies in the ps3 itself .. since that's just how ps3 handles the files ..
you could had no problem with 1 more button press .
Also the psn speed problem is nothing but fantasy.. PSN is fast now , except the night the store updates.
For big files i put them all in background download , to something else and when i'm done with the ps3 i ask the console to shut down itself when the download is done .
i have plenty of digital title so i don't know why you talk about psn when the problem lies in the ps3 itself .. since that's just how ps3 handles the files ..
you could had no problem with 1 more button press .
Also the psn speed problem is nothing but fantasy.. PSN is fast now , except the night the store updates.
HawksWinStanley
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PSN is always exponentially slower for me when downloading things compared to Live.
RPG_Fanatic
Member
Wait, only background downloads can save progress. I am so glad I didn't run into this issue when downloading large games before.
Is there actually any indication of the difference between active and background download on PSN, or is it something you have to figure out on your own? If it is the latter, I don't think all the blame should be on the OP.
Is there actually any indication of the difference between active and background download on PSN, or is it something you have to figure out on your own? If it is the latter, I don't think all the blame should be on the OP.
not_so_special
Banned
i download from the psn ( wifi) just fine,also i have 100mb cable
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
wi-fi here and PSN has always maxed ouy my connection, I even stream 1080p with dts via wi-fi using ps3media servier no problem, I've never understood how some people have such slow downloads on PSN, it must be a regional issue.
Has anyone ever tested this theory out properly? checked if you friends or colleagues PS3's have the same slow downloads in the same area?
Has anyone ever tested this theory out properly? checked if you friends or colleagues PS3's have the same slow downloads in the same area?
Agreed.
when you download from the store nothing is told.. even in the manual you cannot read about that.
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/store/purchase.html
when you check background download, you are just told about the options..
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/background/background.html
so nothing about this is mentioned anywhere..
The OP is not to blame for his mistake.. but he is to blame for his Topic Title: Is PSN really this bad? whick does not convey what the thread is about in the first place..
I found that the downloading speed varies from region to region.
My PS3 finally broke and I couldn't retrieve the data from the HDD. So I got a new one and re-download some contents I still want to have from HK, JP and US store. My download speed was something like 7~8m/s on HK and JP. But it's only about 1m/s on US. Isn't the PSN data servers for all the regions somewhere in the US?
And also, syncing my JP profile/trophies lvl 13 took an hour to finish but as for the US one, I'm doing it for four hours or so and it's still 50%.
My PS3 finally broke and I couldn't retrieve the data from the HDD. So I got a new one and re-download some contents I still want to have from HK, JP and US store. My download speed was something like 7~8m/s on HK and JP. But it's only about 1m/s on US. Isn't the PSN data servers for all the regions somewhere in the US?
And also, syncing my JP profile/trophies lvl 13 took an hour to finish but as for the US one, I'm doing it for four hours or so and it's still 50%.
Dirtyshubb
Member
PSN is very strange when it comes to downloading but it is quite slow in comparison to what my actual connection is. On my PC/360 ect I can download at about 6.5mb/s but on PSN its about 1mb per 1/1.5 sec which can still get a lot downloaded but its no where near as fast as it should be.
Also I have a wired connection, NAT Type 2, DMZ, UPNP enabled ect so it shouldn’t be my set up.
I will say though that i think my Vita can sometimes download at a slighty faster rate than my PS3 but not by a lot.
The funny thing I find though, and I know its my mind playing tricks on me but if im not paying attention to the download, say I go away for a while and come back it seems to have downloaded faster than if I was watching it do it. I swear the PS3 gets performance anxiety and messes up when being judged
Also I have a wired connection, NAT Type 2, DMZ, UPNP enabled ect so it shouldn’t be my set up.
I will say though that i think my Vita can sometimes download at a slighty faster rate than my PS3 but not by a lot.
The funny thing I find though, and I know its my mind playing tricks on me but if im not paying attention to the download, say I go away for a while and come back it seems to have downloaded faster than if I was watching it do it. I swear the PS3 gets performance anxiety and messes up when being judged
MightyHedgehog
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I've never had what I would call fast downloads on PSN...ever. On the same wired connection, with ports forwarded and NAT being open, I've downloaded the same game demo (with small differences in size) from XBLM and PSN at the same time and the X360 download always beats the PS3 one by half the time or much less. Even downloading separately, with nothing else active on the connection, PSN downloads are insanely slow (with no PSN installation occurring) and occasionally prone to random disconnects or even slower performance, background download or not. Default performance on PSN just sucks for me and everyone I know IRL save for one person who claims that they use it out of the box with no DMZ setup and while on wireless to boot. PSN feels random as hell.
Jrpgfanatic
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I've had a PS3 since the launch window with half of my time since thin on wifi and the other wired, and I can't say I've ever had a problem with download speeds or download failures on either setup. As others have recommended, Background downloading is great for anything that'll take more than a minute or two to download. The only drawback is that you need to manually launch the installer for the file later, it would be nice if this was automated in the background as well.
All-in-all though, as a primary PS3 gamer, I really only have two major gripes with PSN:
1. No 'backup' function - I will be pissed if/when my PS3 ever bites the bullet because I'll have to go back through my download/purchased list and download each DLC and DD game file one by one. I have no idea why there isn't a mass re-download option. It'd be much easier to go back through and remove the stuff you don't want afterward (old demos and such) than to have to download all the content you want piece by piece.
2. Store Layout - I actually like the overall esthetic, but whoever is in charge of the layout needs a good smack in the head. There should be a section for each console, and within that section it should contain everything applicable for said console, organized into neat little sections. PS+ Content, New Releases, Discounts, Downloadable Games, Add-On Content, Demos, Themes, Avatars, etc. Everything is so needlessly messy and fragmented right now, and I think they lose a lot of potential sales because of it.
All-in-all though, as a primary PS3 gamer, I really only have two major gripes with PSN:
1. No 'backup' function - I will be pissed if/when my PS3 ever bites the bullet because I'll have to go back through my download/purchased list and download each DLC and DD game file one by one. I have no idea why there isn't a mass re-download option. It'd be much easier to go back through and remove the stuff you don't want afterward (old demos and such) than to have to download all the content you want piece by piece.
2. Store Layout - I actually like the overall esthetic, but whoever is in charge of the layout needs a good smack in the head. There should be a section for each console, and within that section it should contain everything applicable for said console, organized into neat little sections. PS+ Content, New Releases, Discounts, Downloadable Games, Add-On Content, Demos, Themes, Avatars, etc. Everything is so needlessly messy and fragmented right now, and I think they lose a lot of potential sales because of it.
Metalmurphy
Member
Can't say I've ever had any disconnects outside of maintenance times. PSN downloads also maxes out my isp speed which is slightly below 4 mbytes/s (most of the times anyway, but not always)
I think there's alot of factors that degrade PSN performance, the wifi adapter is terrible, hdd performance is shoddy, data center distribution might not be that great for some people, and probably not enough of them to handle the load. Although personally, it works great for me. No complaints.
I think there's alot of factors that degrade PSN performance, the wifi adapter is terrible, hdd performance is shoddy, data center distribution might not be that great for some people, and probably not enough of them to handle the load. Although personally, it works great for me. No complaints.
are you sure that you have had a PS3 since launch..?
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/backuputility.html
Backup is a feature in the settings menu.. but maybe I misunderstood something.
corporate cheerleader
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Backup as in copying games to USB sticks and stuff. (I think) I also really want that. :/
Jrpgfanatic
Member
Yes, I have. Is there really a need for the tone?
Anyway, maybe 'backup' was the wrong word. I mean that functionality is great if you know you need to swap systems, but in my example of a console dieing you're not going to likely have a current backup file ready and waiting, unless you're anal and prepare backups on a regular basis.
Additionally, this does not back up games and DLC to my knowledge. As far as I know this is only media files and saved game data.
That's about right... I had no problems with PSN lately.
but you can backup your stuff on the PS3.. but you have to backup everything ..
corporate cheerleader
Member
Yeah. And that sucks.
For sure. My wireless card crapped out after a couple months; couldn't download a damn thing. There is now a hole in my ceiling where the ethernet cable comes down, but damnit I'm happy!
demosthenes
Member
Because most things aren't 10 gigs? They'll download and install instantly for the most part.
MightyHedgehog
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Which would be true until you start subscribing to Plus and most things of value, the reason you're subscribing in the first place, are multi-gig downloads. It does become an issue that begs the question of whether Sony should have done more to improve the default behavior of downloads above a certain size, at least, like XBLM does where virtually everything, save for title updates/patches, runs according to the rules of the PSN background download and its resume functionality. I understand that most of the issues with PSN cannot be addressed or cannot be done easily since the setup, from its foundation, is a bit stuck due to many choices made upon release.
SniperHunter
Banned
it's terribly slow, Counter Strike GO download took al most 15 hours. Steam and Origin are way faster.
It is valid, Inthink. Ignorance of features isn't an excuse to be wrong about something.
I currently use my PS3/360 wirelessly and the difference when I had them wired is negligable. I have no problems with downloading speeds for either (yes I have media sharing on)
Where PSN is a steaming pile of shit is the installation and update of OS/Game patches. Not a huge issue while I have PS+ but autopatching should be available for everyone
EscoBlades
Ubisoft Marketing
I use wired, always have, always will. Both for my 360 and PS3. Ports on both forwarded as well. My ISP is BE Broadband. My router is a Billion Bipac 7800N.
My PSN downloads are STILL way slower than XBL ones. Without question.
My PSN downloads are STILL way slower than XBL ones. Without question.
I used to have internet that would cut out once every 40ish minutes for 30 seconds.
I couldn't download anything from psn over 50 megs because the download speed was insanely bad and I could never get it to resume a download.
Have tried multiple isps (because I've moved three times since I got my ps3) multiple routers, wired, wireless, port forwarding etc. Honestly my dreamcast and xbox 1 had much more consistent and reliable speed online.
I couldn't download anything from psn over 50 megs because the download speed was insanely bad and I could never get it to resume a download.
Have tried multiple isps (because I've moved three times since I got my ps3) multiple routers, wired, wireless, port forwarding etc. Honestly my dreamcast and xbox 1 had much more consistent and reliable speed online.
Z_Y
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R_thanatos
Member
you can backup your dlc and your installs that way ( done it , yes even the locked saves your ps3 has).
Don't worry i'll come with my flying carpet i don't have to worry about the unicorn .
Or maybe you should pay attention to the many people that max out their psn downloads easily ?
There was a time where psn was indeed slow ... but that was years ago.
Ps: i'm not one of those with an amazing internet connexion . Mine is average ... but i max my downloads i get the same speed as when i use steam
Harlock
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The PS3 interface is simple and fast like never going to be again in another videogame, now that everything need to be cute-cute.
The online multiplayer and download is fine. Only bad when the publisher make a bad PS3 port. I only miss the obligatoy demo for each PSN game, like in the Live.
The online multiplayer and download is fine. Only bad when the publisher make a bad PS3 port. I only miss the obligatoy demo for each PSN game, like in the Live.
AranhaHunter
Banned
My main problem is my internet router (my landlord's router actually) that kicks me offline every now and again, not only on PSN, but also my PC, etc. Download speeds also depend because our router is so shitty even though it's verizon wireless.
The things I don't like about PSN downloads are that it doesn't background download when you're:
1) Watching a Blu Ray/DVD movie
2) Playing a PS1/PS2 game
3) Playing a game online
4) Playing a game offline but the game has online components
I can kinda understand 3 but it still pisses me off. I think vita and xbox live are able to background download while you're playing a game online.
The things I don't like about PSN downloads are that it doesn't background download when you're:
1) Watching a Blu Ray/DVD movie
2) Playing a PS1/PS2 game
3) Playing a game online
4) Playing a game offline but the game has online components
I can kinda understand 3 but it still pisses me off. I think vita and xbox live are able to background download while you're playing a game online.
Um, wasn't PSN down for maintenance for last night? Here's the thread that the (in)famous Wario64 shared: https://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Network-Support/PlayStation-Network-Scheduled-Maintenance/m-p/37646675/message-uid/37646675#U37646675
Shorty11857
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My PS3 has a wired connection and I still get awful speeds, if I'm lucky at best I'll get a tenth the speed I'd get on something like Steam
AbandonedTrolley
Member
Also downloads are paused when watching or even recording (but not watching) PlayTV which I don't understand either.
DidntKnowJack
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Overall I find downloading games on PSN just as fast, if not faster than Live.
Rebel Leader
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10 minutes(or less) per gig is how long it takes me
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
PSN speeds are good but don't use my full bandwidth. I get maybe 2-3mb/sec while I get 5 on Steam. The DL's are very fast none the less.
Live Free or Die
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No it wasn't but, this is neogaf so they got to have at least one Sony hate thread a day.
I had excellent download speeds and trophy sync times on my original 60gb PS3. Once I switched to my Slim, I get crap speeds on both downloads and trophy syncs. And my unit is wired.
People who've never had slow PSN speeds think we're imagining things or that we've somehow f-ed things up on our home networks. Nope. It's really just the arbitrariness of PSN. Generally not a big deal. I'm not an impatient person. Though it does mean I almost never compare my trophies with a friend's.
I've learned, though, that if I look at my trophies while in a game, my console doesn't need to sync. So I usually browse my trophy lists in game. At the standard XMB it takes too long.
People who've never had slow PSN speeds think we're imagining things or that we've somehow f-ed things up on our home networks. Nope. It's really just the arbitrariness of PSN. Generally not a big deal. I'm not an impatient person. Though it does mean I almost never compare my trophies with a friend's.
I've learned, though, that if I look at my trophies while in a game, my console doesn't need to sync. So I usually browse my trophy lists in game. At the standard XMB it takes too long.