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[Risette]

Then I'll play Dead Space, or a hundred other games.

But Dead Space isn't even better than RE5, much less RE4.

 

[Coxy]

Wow this thread is still going :O

Stage 1 : Denial
Stage 2 : Bargaining
Stage 3 : ?????
Stage 4 : RE Ranking thread

Stage 3 = This is what you get for not buying (game)

 

[Roxas]

This game is horrible. What a downfall the RE series is taking. I enjoyed Silent Hill Downpour more than this game so far.

 

[omonimo]

So as a person that will probably never play this game, you people like COOP in a RE game?

No, no, no. It's a bullsh!t. Ruin the atmosphere & the game mechanics. I'm not saying to exclude an alternative co-op mode, but forced the whole game it has been the first big wrong step of the series.

 

[Muffdraul]

But Dead Space isn't even better than RE5, much less RE4.

In a pig's eye.

 

[Brandon F]

This game is horrible. What a downfall the RE series is taking. I enjoyed Silent Hill Downpour more than this game so far.

So it's the Metroid Other M of 2012?

 

[Risette]

In a pig's eye.

Are you calling me a pig?

 

[-tetsuo-]

Yes, Dead Space is also a lot better than Resident Evil 0.

 

[Vamphuntr]

Clearly Capcom should outsource to Vatra:

I just can't believe they've let the game out of the of the door in this state only to get smashed by critics. I guess it's a scenario similar to FFXIII where they will admit later on that they started to playtest and QA the game late in the dev cycle and it was to late to improve the game according to feedbacks received.

This thread loves melodramatic meltdowns and conspirational theories about bad reviews scores but the fact remains that outside of the probably exaggerated 3 and 4, the game still received many 5,6 and 7.

I doubt this is what Capcom wanted for a project they had 600 people working on and that was the latest release in one of their flagship series.

 

[luka]

Then I'll play Dead Space

walk backwards and mash the trigger until the loud noises stop: the game

 

[I'm an expert]

How about in terms of playing a game that is a lot better.

C'mon mang..that's the subjective and the same crap you're mocking in the second part of your post. Newsflash: Some people don't think RE4 is that good. Your opinion is no more important than their's.

walk backwards and mash the trigger until the loud noises stop: the game

Oh please..do not start this shit. I can reduce RE4 to even less than that if you really want, especially considering you can't walk period while mashing the trigger. BOOM.

 

[Despera]

Resident Evil games have never been scary unless you are a physical or mental child or a peasant from the 13th century - in the latter case, you're probably more terrified of the magical box than the animated images of revenants upon it.

The current state of the RE series has brought out the worst in us.

 

[omonimo]

I just can't believe they've let the game out of the of the door in this state only to get smashed by critics. I guess it's a scenario similar to FFXIII where they will admit later on that they started to playtest and QA the game late in the dev cycle and it was to late to improve the game according to feedbacks received.

This thread loves melodramatic meltdowns and conspirational theories about bad reviews scores but the fact remains that outside of the probably exaggerated 3 and 4, the game still received many 5,6 and 7.

I doubt this is what Capcom wanted for a project they had 600 people working on and that was the latest release in one of their flagship series.

To be honest, I don't understand how capcom isn't unable to see how faulty appears just from the demo. It seems doesn't know what to do this chapter, to me this feeling is pretty clear from the first step in the demo. Everything is so confuse.

 

[The_Hitcher89]

walk backwards and mash the trigger until the loud noises stop: the game

That would be Borderlands

 

[-tetsuo-]

C'mon mang..that's the subjective and the same crap you're mocking in the second part of your post. Newsflash: Some people don't think RE4 is that good. Your opinion is no more important than their's.



Oh please..do not start this shit. I can reduce RE4 to even less than that if you really want.

I thought it was established by science and math that Resident Evil 4 is the best one? Did this not happen?

 

[TemplaerDude]

walk backwards and mash the trigger until the loud noises stop: the game

You know, it's when people say shit like this that I really question their sanity.

 

[Muffdraul]

Yes, Dead Space is also a lot better than Resident Evil 0.

I like it a lot more than RE4, too. Sue me.

 

[-tetsuo-]

C'mon mang..that's the subjective and the same crap you're mocking in the second part of your post. Newsflash: Some people don't think RE4 is that good. Your opinion is no more important than their's.



Oh please..do not start this shit. I can reduce RE4 to even less than that if you really want.

I thought it was established by science and math that Resident Evil 4 is the best one? Did this not happen?

Oh please..do not start this shit. I can reduce RE4 to even less than that if you really want.

You can actually reduce every game ever to this.

I like it a lot more than RE4, too. Sue me.

As long as the world knows that it is better than Resident Evil 0.

 

[GQman2121]

walk backwards and mash the trigger until the loud noises stop: the game

That's funny because it's true.

 

[Risette]

I like it a lot more than RE4, too. Sue me.

This is bizarre. You talk RE4 down but Dead Space is perfectly fine? What.

 

[Mr. Fix]

So as a person that will probably never play this game, you people like COOP in a RE game?

I love co-op in anything. In fact, it's what saved RE5 for me. Playing that alone would have been pretty lame.

RE6 is a different matter though, I could go either way, as I actually like the set-pieces they used here.

 

[Foffy]

Ada's a good example. It wasn't made clear for several years that she betrayed Wesker in BH4, and it wasn't clear who she was working for either. Many assumed that it was the rival company of Umbrella she and Wesker were working for in BH2, and believed that Wesker had betrayed them so they requested that she betray Wesker.

In actuality, while she works for the rival company during the game, she's also a double-agent for an organization led by Wesker but she is ultimately loyal to another unknown organization. She betrays the rival company and Wesker for the unknown organization. The reason there was no knowledge of Wesker having his own secret organization before is because the only reference to it is missing from the localization of BH4. Specifically this line:



Similarly, Ada also outright states that she is not evil in the original text, which is why Leon doesn't get a little more worried that she has something that could completely obliterate the world. In the English script, this became "Don't worry, I'll take goooood care of it" which would imply that she is evil more than anything.

There was also confusion as to where Wesker got the dominant species Plaga (mistranslated as "master" and "control" in RE4 and RE5 respectively, not helping the confusion) that TRICELL have in 5, since that's what Ada was sent to get and supposed to have not given Wesker at the end of 4. In reality, Wesker obtained a dead dominant Plaga from the corpse of Jack Krauser, but this is literally mentioned nowhere except for in the Archives II book.

In the "Las Plagas: Organisms of War" featurette in Damnation, it's revealed that she works for an unknown group but is also an independent contractor, and it's revealed in BH6 that she

Spoiler

screws over her handlers that contract her if she doesn't like what they're going to do, and gives what they wanted to her own organization for some unknown purpose.

There's also a file in Lost In Nightmares that states that she still works for Wesker in English despite having betrayed him two years before, but the original text makes it clear that she has only dealt with him in the past.

Still not strictly new info or revelations on her, but it maps out her actions a lot better, but doesn't help make it any less convoluted.

Goodness, that's a lot. I was always curious about the plot to Damnation (I only saw the film) so maybe you can clarify it for me:

Spoiler

why does Svetlana have Plaga? I assumed perhaps she took the one Ada had, but I'm not sure.

Also, as you've seemed to mention, there's some information out of the games and of the two films that tend to expand upon things. What else is there that does that besides the featurette you mentioned? I know there's a Wesker's Report video, but that's about it. I was considering to play the whole series (I've only beaten 0, half of 2, 3, and Leon's campaign in 4, but I did also finish Damnation and Degeneration) so I'd like to at least get the most out of it.

 

[ekim]

So why can't you all just stop? It's like discussing about taste of music or even food.

 

[-tetsuo-]

This is bizarre. You talk RE4 down but Dead Space is perfectly fine? What.

Of course the games are completely different, sir.

 

[I'm an expert]

So as a person that will probably never play this game, you people like COOP in a RE game?

It's the best part of the series now. The surprise to me was I was not planning on playing RE5 in co-op, and it was my first RE since CVX. It was pure coincidence a friend grabbed it day one with me and we decided to experiment with the co-op. Fast forward 5 days later and we had done the whole game together and were starting up a new run to 100% the game. It's the best online gaming/co-op experience I've had ever. So much so that just last year I rebought the Gold version of the game with a different friend and 100%ed the game all over again. The mansion DLC was also AMAZING.

I have no doubts about people thinking 6 is bad. It probably is. But man, my friend and I are pumped to have that same experience from 5. Just shooting the shit and playing RE together. It sucks to say, but if you play these games alone, you really are playing them wrong.

 

[Tomat]

walk backwards and mash the trigger until the loud noises stop: the game

Only if you're a coward!

 

[Muffdraul]

This is bizarre. You talk RE4 down but Dead Space is perfectly fine? What.

Look, I'm really, really sorry that my personal tastes don't fall in line with yours and tetsuo's and whoever else's. I'd change my opinions if I could, to make you happy. Honest! But unfortunately they're pretty much determined by my own experiences and view points, and hardwired as such pending new experiences. I'll keep you posted.

 

[Ridley327]

The sad part was, I don't know of ANY review addressing the broken aiming back then.

But sorry, this is so off topic

A little late to this, but the AV Club review that spurred a further bitch-fest in the same thread made mention to it.

 

[Risette]

Look, I'm really, really sorry that my personal tastes don't fall in line with yours and tetsuo's and whoever else's. I'd change my opinions if I could, to make you happy. Honest!

I'm not bothered by your tastes. It's just that opinion seems a bit... contradictory.

 

[Muffdraul]

I'm not bothered by your tastes. It's just that opinion seems a bit... contradictory.

Again, I'm sorry you're unable to parse it.

 

[I'm an expert]

I'm not bothered by your tastes. It's just that opinion seems a bit... contradictory.

Liking DS over RE4 is contradictory? I'm a walking, talking contradiction then.

 

[Risette]

Liking DS over RE4 is contradictory? I'm a walking, talking contradiction then.

No. Have you read the rest of Muffdraul's posts?

 

[Newsboy]

People seem to be missing the fact that RE6 is freaken awesome.

 

[Muffdraul]

No. Have you read the rest of Muffdraul's posts?

You seriously can't comprehend how someone could prefer a game that takes place out in deep space on a dark derelict claustrophobic space ship, over one that takes place in a Spanish village in broad daylight, in a big castle, etc? Really?

 

[sonicmj1]

If we don't stand up for RE4, can we really, in good conscience, stand for anything?

It's a masterpiece of game design.

 

[I'm an expert]

No. Have you read the rest of Muffdraul's posts?

All I see is that he enjoys DS over 0 and 4. What exactly is the issue? Where is he contradicting himself?

If we don't stand up for RE4, can we really, in good conscience, stand for anything?

It's a masterpiece of game design.

Gahhhh the hyperbole for 4 is so mindboggling.

 

[ekim]

If we don't stand up for RE4, can we really, in good conscience, stand for anything?

It's a masterpiece of game design.

It is. But it wasn't fun for me to play

 

[Muffdraul]

If we don't stand up for RE4, can we really, in good conscience, stand for anything?

It's a masterpiece of game design.

I said in a previous post in here that I liked it a lot and have played it multiple times. My sin is that it isn't my favorite RE and I like Dead Space more.

 

[Risette]

All I see is that he enjoys DS over 0 and 4. What exactly is the issue? Where is he contradicting himself?

Survival Horror ain't what it used to be, and we can thank RE4 for that. Dead Space 1 AND 2 are about as close as we're going to get in these days. Dead Space 2 does have a lot of action ... compared to early RE and Silent Hill. It's actually keeps to a pretty measured and deliberate pace and it does have a fair bit of exploration and puzzle solving, relatively speaking. It's not all monsters all the time. I've never bought into the "too much ammo and healing items" argument, because Silent Hill was always guilty of that yet nobody ever claimed it wasn't survival horror because of it.

Posts like this.

Gahhhh the hyperbole for 4 is so mindboggling.

It's not hyperbole, but you seem intent on dismissing the game as dated so hey.

 

[Syphon Filter]

How about in terms of playing a game that is a lot better.



Wait, what exactly is going on in this thread?

RE0 is much better than RE4. RE4 is easy and linear.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

I don't believe 600 people worked on this turd

By contrast, I can't believe Dust: An Elysian Tail was made by one person... then I look at this :-s

So it's the Metroid Other M of 2012?

I'd say Medal of Honor of 2012, cos it'll still sell shit loads, but then occupy bargain bins shortly afterwards and not be shifted.

I'll certainly say Capcom has no chance in hell of selling 7m copies like they hoped.

 

[kunonabi]

If we don't stand up for RE4, can we really, in good conscience, stand for anything?

It's a masterpiece of game design.

Yeah flash bang/headshot => roundhouse is pretty damn deep.

 

[Muffdraul]

Posts like this.

It would be stupid to deny that RE4 was a major influence on Dead Space. But I like Dead Space more. So?

 

[catotheyounger]

I'd take Dead Space's weapon (alt fire included)+Telekinesis+Statis combat mechanics over RE's weapon+melee mechanic any day.

 

[Salz01]

If you haven't already, you can get another Capcom game in its place, Dragon's Dogma!

It's pretty good.

Already got it, when it came out

 

[def sim]

Yeah flash bang/headshot => roundhouse is pretty damn deep.

hey man don't waste a flash or a bullet

walk toward enemy, walk back, knife face, roundhouse

 

[I'm an expert]

Posts like this.


It's not hyperbole, but you seem intent on dismissing the game as dated so hey.

Thanks for posting that, I didn't see that post. I still don't see the issue. DS is much more atmospheric and true to survival horror than 4. He's right.

Where did I dismiss 4? I stated multiple times it's a very good game. Thinking other games are better than it is dismissing it? Is contradictory? C'mon mang, you're tipping into that crazty territory, same as hyperbole territory.

 

[Curufinwe]

You seriously can't comprehend how someone could prefer a game that takes place out in deep space on a dark derelict claustrophobic space ship, over one that takes place in a Spanish village in broad daylight, in a big castle, etc? Really?

Very little of RE 4 takes place in daylight.

 

[Risette]

It would be stupid to deny that RE4 was a major influence on Dead Space. But I like Dead Space more. So?

But how is it the closest thing to old "survival horror" if it's influenced by RE4 which according to you, changed "survival horror" entirely?

This is where I'm confused.

Where did I dismiss 4? I stated multiple times it's a very good game. Thinking other games are better than it is dismissing it? Is contradictory? C'mon mang, you're tipping into that crazty territory, same as hyperbole territory.

You said it wasn't as good as those other two games because it was "dated", and then when I asked you how it was dated you told me I'd have to play the other games before RE4, which isn't an answer. That seems like dismissal to me.

 

[luka]

You know, it's when people say shit like this that I really question their sanity.

i respond to insane posts in kind