frankie_baby
Member
The ds version of modern warfare sold about half a million in the usa
Nihilistic: "It is not our call to put Zombies Mode in BO: Declassified."
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The ds version of modern warfare sold about half a million in the usa
OldJadedGamer
Banned
To what userbase number?
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Sometimes targeted userbase is more important than userbase #. I'm willing to bet money that AC3:Liberation sells more than the DS assassin creeds . Cod on ps3 sold way more than the wii versions despite Wii having ahigher install base Than ps3 and 360 combined. The PSP GTAs sold millions while the DS one didn't even break a million. If diablo 3 was on consoles it wouldn't outsell the PC version. People like to act like there is no difference between Sony/Microsoft/ Nintendo's fan base but there definitely is IMO. I don't think little big planet or uncharted would have sold as much on 360. Gears 3 wouldn't have sold as much on ps3. JRPGs sell more on ps3.(and I'm not even talking about Japan).
frankie_baby
Member
There were ds assassins creed??
Cod 3 wii outsold the ps3 version but not releasing mW alongside the HD versions fucked the franchise on wii
The ds GTA was vastly outsold its PSP port
Who knows about Diablo 3
Lbp and uc would've sold less on 360 I agree, though lbp probably would've done much better on wii
The gears games probably would do as well (proportionately at least) on ps3
Yeah I'll agree about jrpgs
so because they didn't budget properly,or have the general wherewithall to put in the game in the first place they need clearance for DLC from sony an acti? plz
i have no respect for this dev. 6 maps? No Search and destroy?
this could have been their big chance to get their product infront of many eyes, working on the biggest franchise in gaming history.
it looks like their not avid cod players by the game mode choices, and the "survival" wave based mode has no co-op or leaderboards by the sounds of it.
sure this might just be a low budget cash job for them, but someone fucked up along the way, i bet there would be many small hungry developers that would kill for this opportunity, the whole thing just makes me sad.
EDIT also no kill cam so these guys clearly play alot of cod
i have no respect for this dev. 6 maps? No Search and destroy?
this could have been their big chance to get their product infront of many eyes, working on the biggest franchise in gaming history.
it looks like their not avid cod players by the game mode choices, and the "survival" wave based mode has no co-op or leaderboards by the sounds of it.
sure this might just be a low budget cash job for them, but someone fucked up along the way, i bet there would be many small hungry developers that would kill for this opportunity, the whole thing just makes me sad.
EDIT also no kill cam so these guys clearly play alot of cod
Phife Dawg
Member
Contracting, how does it work?
I think it was Ghandi who once said: "The best developer is the one you can afford".
Going through Nihilistic's twitter is freaking depressing.
No in game voice chat except when you're in a party.
No Wager Matches.
No 60fps, which we already knew, but now they also say IMO 30fps feels very smooth on the Vita, possibly due to its size and the unique qualities of the OLED screen.
No Killcams either. Probably talking about hardcore mode, right?
Nah man, hardcore mode isn't in the game either.
Hostiles mode is SP only.
Can't control any killstreaks (as in shooting down from a chopper or something like that)
No Gold camo for guns.
Clan tags will be in there.
No Emblem Creator.
No Theater mode, of course.
Can't just invite people from your friends list. I don't fully understand what this means.
At least they're open about their game not being up to any standards set by previous CoD games.
Steverulez
Member
To be honest, I don't blame the developer. Activision seemingly wants a quick and cheap game slapped together and Sony just want to say "WE GOT COD ON OUR CONSOLE". Poor attitude from both which has left Nihilistic looking incompetent.
I don't know about their pre-Resistance: BS track record but ultimately devs need time to make a decent game which it doesn't look like they are getting here. Maybe next years version will be better.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
On Twitter it says Activision started a year ago and Nihilistic were brought in shortly after. This game seems so mysterious, but I'm glad to see at least some positive impressions. Keeping expectations in check, though.
Aren't responsive controls, insane killstreaks and a large variety of modes the cornerstones of CoD?
I kind of agree. They also mentioned on their Twitter that they were brought in less than a year ago so I can definitely see why they won't be able to make the game they might want to.
However, they signed a contract and knew what they were getting into. Their name is attached to the product and I'd like to think that developers would just turn down a project if they knew that they wouldn't be able to create a good game. It's one thing to be asked to do a very difficult task. It's another one to say Okay, we'll do it. and then not being able to deliver.
well if they want to coast on by and do the bare minimum thats cool for them, my point was they were handed a huge opportunity to impress the gaming community. But your right theyll get their paycheck and probably move on to make anther middling game.
I'm inclined to agree with the they aren't getting the funds to make this type of game. It isn't like Activision cares about its public image and Sony has rushed games out before.
It truly is a console quality cod experience in the palm of your hands
-No zombies
-6 maps(including 1 ‘homage’ to nuketown)
-4 v 4
-30 fps
-Objective based sp
Plus
I think it was Ghandi who once said: "The best developer is the one you can afford".
Going through Nihilistic's twitter is freaking depressing.
No in game voice chat except when you're in a party.
No Wager Matches.
No 60fps, which we already knew, but now they also say “IMO 30fps feels very smooth on the Vita, possibly due to its size and the unique qualities of the OLED screen“.
No Killcams either. Probably talking about hardcore mode, right?
Nah man, hardcore mode isn't in the game either.
Hostiles mode is SP only.
Can't control any killstreaks (as in shooting down from a chopper or something like that)
No Gold camo for guns.
Clan tags will be in there.
No Emblem Creator.
No Theater mode, of course.
Can't just invite people from your friends list. I don't fully understand what this means.
At least they're open about their game not being up to any standards set by previous CoD games.
SirIgbyCeaser
Banned
Something tells me, next years COD vita will be really good. These developers have already made a campaign game on VITA if that's what you're looking for. Meaning just focusing on spec ops type mission could let them offer quality sp content.
Still upset by the 4 vs 4. But I think nihilstic is not at fault for most of the criticisms.
Still upset by the 4 vs 4. But I think nihilstic is not at fault for most of the criticisms.
All parties are at fault. As activisions last big brand they shouldnt want it to be associated with trash, for sony obiously a great cod game could do magical things for the vita, and as for nihilistic..... Well........ If you keep serving up trash you will become known as a trash developer.
twentytwo22
Member
Next CoD Vita news:
Everything that is broken to be fixed by future DLC
Everything that is broken to be fixed by future DLC
Totaling hundreds of $
Diddy Kong
Banned
Yep.
kitchenmotors
Banned
So we're starting the "wait for next years COD" train now? I seem to recall lots of people claiming this was going to be THE game that was going to set the Vita on fire in the West. What a MESS.
I suspect it's not *quite* 'don't want' as much as it is 'don't want to budget for'. A subtle difference, but not insignificant.
The problem is not with Nihilistic.
the truth is that they are making a AAA game in a year on a shoestring budget.
No one can make a Tripple-A game on a new system in a year. It cannot be done.
This reminds me of all the shit Treyarch used to take for their games until they started making mainline COD-games. After that the quality of their game increased dramatically.
I don't know if Nihilistic have the talent necessary to make a proper cod game, I only know that we won't be able to tell until they get enough time and resources.
the truth is that they are making a AAA game in a year on a shoestring budget.
No one can make a Tripple-A game on a new system in a year. It cannot be done.
This reminds me of all the shit Treyarch used to take for their games until they started making mainline COD-games. After that the quality of their game increased dramatically.
I don't know if Nihilistic have the talent necessary to make a proper cod game, I only know that we won't be able to tell until they get enough time and resources.
Phife Dawg
Member
Do you like working for free? I sure don't.
I doubt Sony will be calling the shots next year. Depending on how this game and PSV fares you best should prepare yourself for a 3DS up-port.
Up-port?
test_account
XP-39C²
I dont think he ment it much like that. I'd say it is pretty clear that the next game will be better, if Nihilistic makes it and if there will be a next game that is. Now they have made the foundation, and one extra year will just add and fix things. I think this is what he means
I'm not sure that this will happen however, i think it would be best trying to port one of the previous Call of Duty engines to the Vita instead of using another engine.What mess do you mean by the way? People simply thought it would be put more effort into this game, nothing more to it than that.
Mutanthands
Member
I would not assume that another game is coming next year.
For it to be quality, they should already be working on it with another team. Activision is not paying money for another CoD until this one proves to be successful, or not. If it is, it probably won't get green lit until the beginning of next year. So, it will either be another rush job for 2013, or a long term project for 2014.
At this point, I don't think many publishers are thinking about 2014 for the Vita.
With Activision's lack of enthusiasm, I just don't see another game coming unless this one is a smash. And word of mouth about the lack of features is gonna be brutal.
Phife Dawg
Member
I disagree 100%. Like I said, if you're willing to slap your name onto the product then you're 100% responsible for the product. I'm pretty sure Nihilistic knew that it was next to impossible to make a great game within a year but they could have said 'no'. No one forced them to work on CoD for the Vita.
If they cannot make a good product with the tools they have or with the time they're given then that's their fault. We know this game is not up to any standards set by previous CoD games and Nihilistic knows this as well. Saying Well, everyone should have known that we cannot do it on the term given is a pretty bad excuse, if you ask me.
What we know for sure is that Nihilistic is willing to release a sub-par product that comes with just a fraction of the features it should come with. That reminds me of Bethesda who are blaming everyone but themselves for completely screwing up Skyrim on the PS3.
frankie_baby
Member
A year would be far too generous a guess at the development time, 5 or 6 months seems more likely
kitchenmotors
Banned
I had numerous discussions with people in the NeoGAF Tinychat about the threads on Vita COD. People were expecting a console quality COD on Vita, that was going to have cross-platform online play and saves. I knew it was too good to be true and looks like there are even more issues with this MESS of a game. More of a MESS than Ellie Goulding's new album, tbqh.
It's probably just going to end up as a generic shooter with the COD name tacked on.
test_account
XP-39C²
Oh, like that, i thought you ment a mess with the discussions. I dont see that as much of a mess because people just speculated and expected more work to go into the game, which unfortunately didnt happen.
You're right, they should just stop taking on projects under anything other than perfect terms......
....and promptly go bankrupt.
Just so you know, studios like Valve and Blizzard are exceptions to the rule. Most studios have very little leverage over things like this.
It's very hard for a studio without extremely successful franchisees behind them to get anything like a decent publishing agreement.
Your Bethesda example is inane. Bethesda both developed and published the Skyrim, and the team that developed it is their most prestigious team - they would have had some leverage. It isn't impossible that the decision to publish the inferior PS3 version was taken over the dev teams head though.
chickdigger802
Banned
the baffling part is that this is $50!!!!
should have put it out at $30 and folks might be more lenient at it.
should have put it out at $30 and folks might be more lenient at it.
test_account
XP-39C²
I thought the same first, but i think he means that there will be a 3DS version originally, then a up-port will be done to Vita from 3DS.Vita is more powerful than the 3DS so it would be a down port
Phife Dawg
Member
Yes, they shouldn't have accepted this contract. I am sure they don't have any bills to pay or anything, mom and pop do the laundry, prepare food and buy tickets for the movies - life is good.
They just wanted to make some extra dough for twinkies but who thinks of the gamers, man?
Well English is not my native language, I've seen it as "port to higher specs = up", with the machine being higher and all.Vita is more powerful than the 3DS so it would be a down port
Just for clarification: 3DS would be the leading development environment.
Because the only way to make money as a game developer is to accept projects under terms that force you to release a game that is not up to any standards people expect and seems like a complete disaster any way you look at it. It's not like they could also work on an own idea and release it on PC for basically free (without the need to pay for patches, submission fees or anything), work on a PSN or XBL title or something like that. I get that this was probably the easier way but I also think it's the wrong way. I mean, there's so much stuff missing that no CoD fan can play this and not be disappointed by the lack of content, features and presentation.
Just imagine you're an okay photographer and are asked to shoot a wedding. Way out of your league, but you'd just say "yes" and not care about knowing that you'll not meet anyone's expectations, will deliver sub-par work while charging them full price for what you're doing? Sure, you'll do the best you can, of course, and that should be enough.
I sure as hell wouldn't. Yes, ruined wedding photos are way, way worse than $50 wasted on a game that's not worth it, but I'd say that there's no excuse for either.
Phife Dawg
Member
Needs more
But you are right of course, they should totally have rejected this offer and instead developed their own IP and release on PC/PSN/XBLA/eShop. What is money vs artistic integrity anyway. OK, no more twinkies for lunch break but at least they can sleep tight. And Sony/Acti would never have found another studio willing to develop this game under their terms. The market would have forced Sony/Acti to devote more resources (time, money etc.) into this and the gamers would have gotten the CoD PSV they deserve. It's a win/win/win/win situation, which is almost as good as quintuple A development.
JohnnySasaki86
Member
^this. never seen such a rushed title, in fact i didnt even know it was possible. shame on them, Sony, and Activison.
Why would you think it's money vs. integrity? Devs can have both. Plenty of devs do.
Your argument is that nothing would have been different if they had turned down the project? Maybe. Maybe not. What we do know for sure is that the project then wouldn't have been in the hands of the one single dev whose only game on Vita is a bad FPS.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
I never found Treyarch games to be terrible. The Spider-Man game tie-in with the movie was surprisingly good and their ports of early THPS games weren't bad, either. In my opinion, they used to fall behind Infinity Ward on the CoD series. World at War was a heck of a lot of fun, but Black Ops was their first game where I felt like it wasn't rushed and was more built from the ground up. They were on quick on their toes with patches for World at War, but it resulted in more glitches and some features being removed (Bipod, for example).
Phife Dawg
Member
"Integrity" is a concept that doesn't bring food to the table. If you run your own business you will quickly accept that. Nihilistic is mainly a contractor, there are other devs that work differently, sure. But as a contractor you don't turn down offers when the conditions are acceptable, bad for business in any way, shape or form.
And besides who else could have picked it up anyway and delivered within a relatively short time frame? There are not a lot of devs with PSV experience and running engines.
I've worked for various businesses (though not full time and usually just did internships) but they've all turned down projects left and right simply because it would make them look bad (because they couldn't deliver an expected quality within the time frame given). Hell, when I worked as a pizza delivery guy, we turned down huge orders at least once a week because we only had to ovens and the first ones are kind of old by the time the last ones came out. Bigger businesses ordered all the time and we had a very strict policy about turning down everything where we couldn't meet expectation.
I get why they'd want to accept any offer possible. Their last game probably didn't sell too well and having the CoD name on your game ensures quite a few sales regardless of the quality of the game, but I'll continue to disagree that they needed to do it in order to stay in business. I gave an example of doing independent work on a PSN or XBLA title.
It's not in the businesses' best interest to deliver sloppy work. It just isn't. If your business is about making money now quickly and for the price of your reputation instead of securing a revenue stream for a long time, then you simply won't be in the business for too long. Nihilistic is not really a big name right now and that game won't change this. If someone decides to let a studio develop a good game, give them enough time and resources, I'm sure Nihilistic won't be the publisher's choice. I'm sure these guys have the potential to make great games but Resistance BS was a joke and CoD is shaping up to be an even bigger joke.