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[RCX]

Currenrly taking a giant dump... what are we doing now? Am I getting paid?

How many courics is it? If its high there may be a cash prize

 

[Gonzito]

I buy every game I want, without fail. The publisher sells me on a game that interests me and I either buy it or play it on Gamepass and then if I really like the game I also buy it. Its how ive treated movies since I was young and it works.

Buy or rent thing and buy the products that really impress me. I don't think theres fairer than that. I work my ass off for my money. I'm not just going to purchase games that are considered good, if they are not in my wheelhouse or dont interest me and my taste.

And this is how it should be. I am not calling out people like you man, I am calling out people with double standards, hypocrites, that demand great videogames but they never support them and wait until they are discounted and cost 10 dollars

 

[Punished Miku]

Alanah honestly explained all of this in detail a while ago and everyone is so busy posting boobs pics they apparently missed it. Many more games are made than people could possibly play. The reason they are made is because investors were throwing money at these publishers and developers. In many cases, their actual employer is the investor class. Those people have decided to stop giving them as much money recently. Publishers were promising these people COVID era growth, GAAS lasting forever, microtransactions extracting your money indefinitely like Fortnite, so they got money from these people by promising that they were going to take your money. When that failed to materialize, we end up here.

 

[adamsapple]

ChatGPT 1.0 vs ChatGPT en español.

Aye papito mr gonzito reaction thread creato.

 

[Connificent]

Ive bought over 2500 games in my lifetime. You cant tell me nothing!

 

[Laptop1991]

While it is our job to let the industry know if we like the products they are putting out or not and call out any corporate dodgy tactics to milk us for money, he was right in my opinion that layoffs and people who work for these companies are not our responsibility on whether we buy and play games or not, they work for them and are their employees for the industry and the game industry doesn't care what we think anyway or we would get the games we want, nor does it care about their staff, both viewpoints are valid in both threads for me.

 

[PurePlatinum]

We are not warriors or crusaders. We consume.

Buy what looks good and don't be so cheap about the very fair price of entry on games.

I can't fix the world but I can behave in a way that if everyone did, the world would be better.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Everyone just buy what you want and let the market shake out. Games and services that sell well and are profitable will continue. Ones that arent will eventually disappear as it seems the media industry (tech and movies/tv) have no fear anymore gutting overbudget or trash products. The gravy train is running on empty for lousy games and overbudget pet projects.

Just got stick to your guns. Which unfortunately most dont.

A lot of gamers whine about going digital, mtx, $70 games (now $80 with Mario). But the industry wouldnt shift so hard if gamers didnt eat up digital sales (about 75%+ of the console market now, and probably 100% of PC for probably 10+ years), gamers didnt amp up on nickel and diming or P2W mtx, and gamers didnt buy $70 games.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

I hate to say it (well, not really) but as long as gamers throw down money on preorders before reviews are published, nobody is being held to account. I'm not sure if OP is suggesting that posting that they don't think a character in a game is pretty enough, but that's the kind of holding to account I see more of than anything else.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Do we get paid for this? I'm open to a career change but it has to pay more than my current job. What is the benefits package?

You are a Consumer. Your job is making purchase decisions that signal to the manufacture what is or isn't good to produce. This means buy what you like but don't buy what you don't like. This means even if you are rich, you don't waste money buying garbage. Because you are part of Market Forces that decide what games should get made.

Note that if it means a company goes under because you don't buy their stuff, that is perfectly fine. And ignore all the idiots who tell you to buy bad products to "protect competition".

 

[Unfortunatecookie]

Completely agree.

Layoffs are happening because of consistently inaccurate decisions by leadership. Phil Spencer has been making wrong decisions at Xbox for over a decade. The cowardly 'journalists' (e.g., Jason Schreier, Geoff Keighley, Jeff Gerstmann) are ignoring that thousands of people are losing their ability to make a living because Phil Spencer has been a colossal fuck up for the Xbox business. It's beyond pathetic. These same 'journalists' are also ignoring the visible mistakes that Hermen Hulst is making at PlayStation -- mistakes that reek of an arrogant short-sighted pre-PS3 Sony. Pathetic.

I say this to say if these cowardly 'journalists' are twisting and misrepresenting reality then why should we be cowards and do the same? It's a fact that videogames are just entertainment and if they all went away, none of us would also go *POOF* and disappear. It's just games. However, it's also a fact that thousands of people are able to pay for their groceries, childrens' tuition, rent, car, hospital bills etc. because they work in gaming. So while it's a hobby for us, it's a living for thousands of people who are now being laid off and or are going to be laid off specifically due to bad leadership. While it's not my job to say that assbackwards decisions are being made at PlayStation and Xbox, I can't just be a pussy and ignore that their leadership are causing continuous harm to the industry.

It's fair to be neutral observers and recognize that the stupidity of decisions that are being made at multi-billion and multi-trillion dollar companies are going to have a net negative effect on an entire industry, resulting in a net negative effect on the lives of thousands of people.

 

[Durin]

We live in timeline where Prey didn't sell good enough, or Deus Ex and Dishonored are dead.

Prey not selling really did suck, though I though another Dishonored game was happening with those Microsoft FTC leaks?

The industry is teaching me to wait on most big games though, because if they interest me, I know I'll get a less buggy better performing version later for less cost.

 

[Gonzito]

Completely agree.

Layoffs are happening because of consistently inaccurate decisions by leadership. Phil Spencer has been making wrong decisions at Xbox for over a decade. The cowardly 'journalists' (e.g., Jason Schreier, Geoff Keighley, Jeff Gerstmann) are ignoring that thousands of people are losing their ability to make a living because Phil Spencer has been a colossal fuck up for the Xbox business. It's beyond pathetic. These same 'journalists' are also ignoring the visible mistakes that Hermen Hulst is making at PlayStation -- mistakes that reek of an arrogant short-sighted pre-PS3 Sony. Pathetic.

I say this to say if these cowardly 'journalists' are twisting and misrepresenting reality then why should we be cowards and do the same? It's a fact that videogames are just entertainment and if they all went away, none of us would also go *POOF* and disappear. It's just games. However, it's also a fact that thousands of people are able to pay for their groceries, childrens' tuition, rent, car, hospital bills etc. because they work in gaming. So while it's a hobby for us, it's a living for thousands of people who are now being laid off and or are going to be laid off specifically due to bad leadership. While it's not my job to say that assbackwards decisions are being made at PlayStation and Xbox, I can't just be a pussy and ignore that their leadership are causing continuous harm to the industry.

It's fair to be neutral observers and recognize that the stupidity of decisions that are being made at multi-billion and multi-trillion dollar companies are going to have a net negative effect on an entire industry, resulting in a net negative effect on the lives of thousands of people.

You have actually put into words what I wanted to say in my post. Sometimes is not easy to convey what you want to say in a non native language but yeah you nailed it.

 

[DragonNCM]

No !
It is not my job to compensate mistakes of incompetent fools who only want to take my hard earned money delivering half ass games. They will need to do better job if they want my money. Either they will start respecting their customers & deliver good products or they can all get fired & game studios closed.

 

[Edder1]

Outside of our family lives, worrying about inflation, work and politics, there's just no time to be worried about this crap for some of us. Some of us barely have enough time to game, now we also apparently have to keep up with all the gaming news and worry about all this nonsense. I can barely squeeze a podcast and and couple of hours of gaming a day, so no thanks dude.

 

[Three]

Yes, it's our responsibility as consumers to hold the gaming industry accountable

Its our job to support companies by buying their products when things are done right, by complaining when they do things wrong and when they need to change their behavior or practices. We are the people that pays their salary and we should always demand for better products, reward them when they do right and call them out when they dont

We live in timeline where Prey didn't sell good enough, or Deus Ex and Dishonored are dead. Where a company like Bend Studios is stuck for 6 years on a failed multiplayer project chasing trends, this is a direct consequence of what happens when customers dont support companies when they release amazing games

We are the only ones who can make a difference in this industry. Being passive and ignoring what's going on is the perfect recipe for disaster.

So this is my message to EverydayBeast , I believe you are wrong and this attitude will lead to a path of bad quality games and bad practices all around the industry

Cheers papitos

You're preaching to the choir but those at mass happily play the fortnites and CoDs of the world.

People are already supporting what they like but unfortunately those people who don't like microtransactions, who don't like liveservice, etc are in the minority.

 

[Herr Edgy]

You don't pay our salaries. By that logic, your employer pays our salaries just the same.

You enter a contract that a company and you have decided is of equal value. It's a trade.
You don't owe the company anything beyond that, nor does the company owe anything to you.

That being said, the values you represent are a signal to the world, so it's good not to let yourself get scammed just because you need to consume next mind slop.

 

[Arsic]

Heard the going rate is $4/8hours.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Yes, it's our responsibility as consumers to hold the gaming industry accountable

Its our job to support companies by buying their products when things are done right, by complaining when they do things wrong and when they need to change their behavior or practices. We are the people that pays their salary and we should always demand for better products, reward them when they do right and call them out when they dont

We live in timeline where Prey didn't sell good enough, or Deus Ex and Dishonored are dead. Where a company like Bend Studios is stuck for 6 years on a failed multiplayer project chasing trends, this is a direct consequence of what happens when customers dont support companies when they release amazing games

We are the only ones who can make a difference in this industry. Being passive and ignoring what's going on is the perfect recipe for disaster.

So this is my message to EverydayBeast , I believe you are wrong and this attitude will lead to a path of bad quality games and bad practices all around the industry

Cheers papitos

I don't believe that was the message he was trying to convey. The forum is filled with nonsense of warring posting random numbers as justifications. Most of the discussion revolves around sales rather than talking about games. So and so only sold so many copies so it's a bad game blah blah blah. Fuck that nonsense, there are plenty of of games with high sales that are just not good and the opposite is true as well. The whole dialogue has shifted, from games to sales as some sort of barometer in this forum it's idiotic.

 

[Nydius]

Neither of you are right. My only job is caring for my disabled wife. Everything else is either an obligation or a hobby. Gaming is the latter.

With that said, I don't see agree with EverydayBeast on the idea we shouldn't be concerned about the business side of the hobby we engage in. It shouldn't be one's entire personality, but it's healthy to want to see what moves the industry is making because that determines the future of the medium.

It's not unreasonable to have concerns about a company like Microsoft leveraging their huge resources to gobble up companies and then run them into the ground. It's not unreasonable to have concerns about the profitability of companies that make games we enjoy because any rational person knows that money is the root of all evil makes the world go around so burying our heads in the sand about the business side doesn't help anyone.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Really want a Dishonored 3.

 

[nemiroff]

Cool, what's my salary? 100K absolute minimum.

 

[genesisblock]

And this is how it should be. I am not calling out people like you man, I am calling out people with double standards, hypocrites, that demand great videogames but they never support them and wait until they are discounted and cost 10 dollars

That's all subjective. For 1 person that likes prey, a 100 more will see Call of Duty the exact same way and it's not our "job" to indoctrinate the general consumers to our "tastes".

 

[Closer]

I think both of you are wrong Gonzito and EverydayBeast .

I should not have to support anything done right, it's the minimum I should expect.

I should worry about layoffs and profits because that paints the picture of me still having new games in the future or no games at all.

 

[Something Wicked]

I absolutely agree! PS5 owners should have bought more copies of Hi-Fi Rush to save Tango. It was their job and they failed miserably.

They could have purchased one less busty anime-girl action game, and bought Hi-Fi Rush instead. They could have skipped a few lunches, few dinners- in order to buy multiple copies. I mean the kids won't starve missing a dinner or two; they can get a few Cheerios in morning. The watches on their hands: if they sold those- how many copies of Hi-Fi Rush could they have bought?

And you know what the worst part of all of this was? The worst part was that they made Good Guy Phil to do their own dirty work. PS5 owners forced Phil to shutdown Tango, which was just reprehensible! So, shame on all PS5 owners! Shame, shame, shame, shame!... … Shame!

 

[StereoVsn]

Prey failure hurts to this day.

DeusEx and Sleeping Dogs as well .

I do agree with OP's point. While it's not our job (unless someone is willing to cut me a phat check ), but it's in our self-interest to support good games that we like.

 

[Hollowpoint5557]

If this thread is in response to another thread, why didnt you just respond with this in the other thread? Main character syndrome?

 

[Fahdis]

How many courics is it? If its high there may be a cash prize

2.5 Pounds. PAY ME?! DID I WIN?!

 

[Fess]

Its their job to win me as a consumer, then I will buy their product

Exactly this.

 

[Danjin44]

If they make a game I want, then I will buy it.

This.

I demand games and they supply and if they continues make the games I want then I continue to pay them, thats all there is to it.

 

[bender]

 

[SkyHighTrees]

Exactly. Make games for ME.

Make another Dragon Age or Concord for modern audience (that doesn't exist) and fucking die, I don't care...

selfish boy