Fall of Anime 2012 |OT2| O cursed spite, that ever I was born to UUURRRRYYY!!
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Is this even a human being?
Jex
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I don't even know what Tororadra is.
Yeah... that song has not aged well at all. Songs were poorly mixed in general for FLCL.
Would moeblobs be classified as human?
Chet Rippo
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What? I don't hate Toradora. People should know by now I love everything JC Staff adapts. I just don't think it's the second coming when it comes to sappy romance.
The tracks Shinkichi Mitsumune did were good, though, but without the Ikuhara editorial input to be really great.
Jex
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I hear the same argument being levelled against 'drama' in other mediums, such as literature and television and I don't quite understand the complaints. If you manage to write fairly realistic characters who speak and think in a believable manner and use them to explore some of the most fundamental aspects of what it means to be human (in the case of Natsuyuki Rendevous the aspect explored is clearly interpersonal relationships, specifically marriage and death) then I would consider that to be quite an accomplishment. I don't see why such material is uninteresting.
Surely someone as ostensibly learned as yourself would reconcile dimb's perspective with the well documented phenomenon of escapism, no?
Jex
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As I've mentioned before, I don't what Toradora is but I imagine that's inaccurate when Madoka Ayukawa exists.
You should watch it. It has a pretty good cast of characters.
hosannainexcelsis
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By "understated" I mean that it is restrained and low-key in its presentation of the characters' actions and emotional states, in contrast to the exaggerated and flamboyant melodrama which is more common in anime and Japanese television in general.
True, and they don't suffer like The Pillows music.
firehawk12
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Yeah, it does look dumb. There's something weird about the perspective, even though the corner is supposed to evoke symmetry. Well, an the actual "splat" too I suppose.
"Redline is a piece of shit and anyone who likes it has no right to argue about taste or standards."
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I don't even think it's worth arguing about anymore. It's like trying to convince a Republican that gay people aren't evil. I'm just going to walk away and write it off. lol
The taste was a surprise.
Crash Station
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True. I don't know if I'd put any Gintama arc in that category though barring 1 or 2 episodes.
Admittedly, I haven't watched as many Anime as some of you have watched, but I thought it was the best Anime that did the romance right. The ending was perfect.
You haven't watched Toradora?
That's not Charlotte Dunois.
It would be more accurate to say Taiga is the only tolerable Kugiloli tsundere.
And Toradora is the reason some of us thought that Ano Hana might actually be good.
Jex
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There's certainly a lot of escapist entertainment out there, perhaps it's even the dominant brand of entertainment. However what I didn't quite understand was why it would be a problem for a work to not be escapist entertainment. It seems like we've got room for all kinds of material.
Although, speaking strictly in terms of sales, I can see why such material isn't flying off the shelves. I imagine the kind of audience that's looking to have such an experience would probably turn to literature or manga, as opposed to anime.
YESS! This person totally gets. I rather liked Ano Hana as well, even with all its weaknesses and annoyances. I hated Ano Natsu though :/
Sorry. Just because she is a character of the best Anime, does not constitute he as one of the best characters.
While it's pretty weird, the difference between the two shows is GuP is actually good and worth watching.
This couldn't have been encapsulated any more succinctly if you tried.
Fictional work is like a flood. The amount out there is more than one could ever conceivably sort through in their lifetime. Conceptually nothing about death or marriage is unique, so simply dealing with those in an environment that is otherwise familiar is simply dull to me.
Furthermore, trying to grapple with certain themes that pop up often in fiction doesn't require the uninteresting dialogue and flat minute to minute that Rendezvous carries. I am going through The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle by Murakami right now which also focuses itself around marriage and death, but its handling of the material is stimulating and I find it able to provoke me on both a mental and an emotional level while maintaining possibly even a greater sense of realism than Rendezvous.
Predictable, and carrying an air that seemed as though it had no enlightenment to offer I found myself unreached by Rendezvous, and had no real incentive to pursue it. I suppose there is always the possibility I am missing out on something, but the first episode did not leave much of an impression.
Jex
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No I have not. Perhaps because I "got into" anime at the wrong time and the craze passed me by.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Ugh.
Toradora was fine until the end. It suddenly devolves into garbage high school romance tripe harder and faster than any other show I've ever watched. It became downright painful to finish. The show becomes downright obnoxious with how it tries to hit you with certain events over the head, ones that feel completely forced and ruin the characters that they spent all that time building up for no real reason in the end.
Ano Hana was fine. I preferred it over Toradora, but I am not a fan of the latter at all. Ami was cool though.
That's true. Frankly the entire idea of a tsundere is terrible, the only way it actually could be approached "well" in my opinion was if the character had split personalities or something.
The words of a Kanna fan.
Or if the character was a Steins;Gate protagonist.
PorcellainThrill
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Fixed that for ya
I found animegaf through your qoute though, so I am really grateful but just do not show it, like a tsundere. It is quite odd as I seem to share most of your other opinions.
RurouniZel
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I never thought I'd meet another AnimeGAFer who
agrees with me
Hellsing321
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Preposterous. School Days is the only show to hold such a title.
One could even argue that Taiga isn't even an example of a "modern tsundere" at all!
It's an interesting argument to attempt, having tried it at one point somewhere else.
You mean the modern tsundere which is just bipolar?
It's not like there's any depth to it.
Personally, I thought everything converged to such ending. All that happened, the misunderstandings and those character interactions, were just a means to the end that we got. Yes, it was rushed and part of it was quite forced
they got married, right?
Perhaps, I have build a certain affection for the two characters over the period of 24 Ep or so, but I rather liked how everything came together to fit in the end, and romance can be like that. One moment is not there, and the next thing, its catches on fire and explodes for no apparent reason (god that was lame). IMO, they haven't ruined any characters, but they did continue to develop as the series went along.
More or less.
Frankly I'd be willing to say that Taiga isn't really a tsundere, she is at the start but not by the end.
The first time usually is.
I was never a fan of any of the characters. They all seemed very awful.
Even Lemon?
Boothisman.gif.
Ano Natsu was pretty great, the protag wasn't a total bitch for once. And Char is totally the best tsundere in that she's barely a tsundere at all since tsundere in itself is a terrible character type, so she's the best by default.
Going further, Toradora is a commentary on the undesirability of the tsundere archetype and how one needs to shed that childish approach to handling personal difficulties in order to truly grow up and learn to love others!
I can do this all day you know.
I approve of people who actually understood why the endgame was written the way it was.
Not that it was executed perfectly mind you. In fact, episodes 22-24 are my least favorite part of the series.
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