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[scorpscarx]

Windows 8 is good, people need to stop bitching about how "different" it is and give it a fucking chance.

Sure, after you hack it to boot to the desktop, and live with a giant wart that is metro attached to your face.

In it's defense, W8 is pretty snappy, I don't hate it, but the features it adds aren't enough to outweigh metro and warrant an upgrade.

 

[KojiKnight]

Windows 8 is good, people need to stop bitching about how "different" it is and give it a fucking chance.

I'm running windows 8... first thing I had to do was install 3rd party software to put a freaking start button on my PC.

If you had bothered to read the thread though, very few people were complaining about windows 8 in general, only in where Microsoft seems to be taking it's systems.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Final confirmation of Vista 2.0 status.

This could be a real ball-ache for ports depending on which api version the new xbox will use.

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

It's not like any developer actually uses DX11 anyway (Blizzard, maybe), so good luck and good night, Microsoft.

 

[Nemo]

Since W8 is only 30 euros, I don't mind this. The only reason I hated this with Halo 2 was because Vista cost almost 200 to buy a license for

 

[Ferrio]

Oh no, I won't be able to use all the direct x features that no one actually implements.


Didn't make me buy Vista, won't make me buy windows 8.

 

[QaaQer]

It's not like any developer actually uses DX11 anyway (Blizzard, maybe), so good luck and good night, Microsoft.

sure, now.

wait a 2 years after xbox 720 has market penetration and games exclusive to win8 and 720 start appearing regularly. Why in god's name wouldn't they use 11.1 if their end goal is to drive adoption of win8 and 720?

neogaf myopia.

 

[Zabka]

Microsoft thou art scoundrels!

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

sure, now.

wait a 2 years after xbox 720 has market penetration

So Microsoft's gameplan is to wait until 2015 for W8 DX11.1 exclusives? W9 will be in Beta by then. For this to make a meaningful impact in Microsoft's bottom line, W9 has to take off this year or next. The 720 won't even exist until late 2013 at the earliest, and expecting developers to massively push DX11.1 exclusive games in 2013 is delusional. MS might keep it W8 exclusive, but it's also very plausible that they'll just fold and release it for Windows 7 to keep customers happy.

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

sure, now.

wait a 2 years after xbox 720 has market penetration and games exclusive to win8 and 720 start appearing regularly. Why in god's name wouldn't they use 11.1 if their end goal is to drive adoption of win8 and 720?

neogaf myopia.

As I have come understand it, the average developer currently has a lock on DX9 and is not likely to change that pipeline anytime soon. DX10 will likely be the standard in the next cycle, but there is no need for tesselation and those other few DX11 things that slow any system to a crawl.

The next consoles are all less powerful than a modern PC. Those do not play well with DX11 features. So no console will either.

So no: it won't have any effect.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

This is the greatest use of this .gif ever.

Fuck you Microsoft.

 

[Reiko]

As I have come understand it, the average developer currently has a lock on DX9 and is not likely to change that pipeline anytime soon. DX10 will likely be the standard in the next cycle, but there is no need for tesselation and those other few DX11 things that slow any system to a crawl.

The next consoles are all less powerful than a modern PC. Those do not play well with DX11 features. So no console will either.

So no: it won't have any effect.

You're going to be in for a huge shock.

 

[Teletraan1]

This functionality will get hacked into win7. This I command.

 

[KojiKnight]

It's not like any developer actually uses DX11 anyway (Blizzard, maybe), so good luck and good night, Microsoft.

blizzard and valve are the last two companies you'd expect to do anything with DX11 anytime soon... I think it's safe to say at this point that game developers are waiting for the next console cycle before mandating any higher features... at this point, if you're sporting a card/PC that supports only DX9 3 years after DX11 and 5 years after DX10 I think you're about due to be left behind.

I personally expect DX10 exclusive games to be skipped entirely at this point. No game (that I know of) has been DX10 only and by the time devs are ready to really and truely drop DX9, the feature set of DX10 likely won't be enough on it's own.

 

[Choc]

guy who designed windows 8 has left MS with immediate effect

http://www.zdnet.com/who-is-julie-larson-green-meet-the-new-head-of-windows-7000007292/

also once the next Xbox is out with DX11 hardware and API's

yep.....

 

[KojiKnight]

guy who designed windows 8 has left MS with immediate effect

http://www.zdnet.com/who-is-julie-larson-green-meet-the-new-head-of-windows-7000007292/

also once the next Xbox is out with DX11 hardware and API's

yep.....

Early adoption rates are pretty bad... but then again he may have been ready to leave for other reasons and just held on till release.

 

[Truespeed]

Windows 8 is good, people need to stop bitching about how "different" it is and give it a fucking chance.

Perhaps on a touch screen enabled device, but it sucks hard with a mouse.

 

[Truespeed]

guy who designed windows 8 has left MS with immediate effect

http://www.zdnet.com/who-is-julie-larson-green-meet-the-new-head-of-windows-7000007292/

also once the next Xbox is out with DX11 hardware and API's

yep.....

On a Surface RT skateboard no less

 

[KojiKnight]

Perhaps on a touch screen enabled device, but it sucks hard with a mouse.

Sucks either way... I have had it installed for a week now and I still can't figure out how to type in a search in the windows store. How in the hell in this day and age does a store program not have a text based search right on top on the main page?

Now I have no doubts that SOMEWHERE is an option to do so... but the fact that I'd have to even try and search for such a basic feature is insane to me.

 

[BocoDragon]

Sucks either way... I have had it installed for a week now and I still can't figure out how to type in a search in the windows store. How in the hell in this day and age does a store program not have a text based search right on top on the main page?

Now I have no doubts that SOMEWHERE is an option to do so... but the fact that I'd have to even try and search for such a basic feature is insane to me.

Searching the store is built right into the OS itself! Just start typing in the start screen and it will show you a list of apps it found.

 

[Truespeed]

Sucks either way... I have had it installed for a week now and I still can't figure out how to type in a search in the windows store. How in the hell in this day and age does a store program not have a text based search right on top on the main page?

Now I have no doubts that SOMEWHERE is an option to do so... but the fact that I'd have to even try and search for such a basic feature is insane to me.

It's bizarre, really. A UI should be intuitive. Why not give users the option of just going straight to the desktop and bypassing their "Modern UI" altogether? Or how about just integrating it into the desktop instead of making it two separate things. I hear they've also pulled a page from Xbox live and are displaying ads in their free apps now. It just gets better and better.

 

[KojiKnight]

Searching the store is built right into the OS itself! Just start typing in the start screen and it will show you a list of apps it found.

...... really? Well... as I said, I knew it had to be SOME where.

Still don't know why they couldn't put a little search bar in those big empty spaces in the store.

(edit) Truespeed: Free apps have ads just like IOS and Android, no surprise there.

I installed a program that put the start menu back in windows 8, luckily part of the program also makes win 8 boot straight to the desktop so win there.

 

[PG2G]

Sucks either way... I have had it installed for a week now and I still can't figure out how to type in a search in the windows store. How in the hell in this day and age does a store program not have a text based search right on top on the main page?

Now I have no doubts that SOMEWHERE is an option to do so... but the fact that I'd have to even try and search for such a basic feature is insane to me.

How about the fact that the way to do a search is standard and consistent in every app? Charms man, charms

 

[BocoDragon]

...... really? Well... as I said, I knew it had to be SOME where.

Still don't know why they couldn't put a little search bar in those big empty spaces in the store.

(edit) Truespeed: Free apps have ads just like IOS and Android, no surprise there.

I installed a program that put the start menu back in windows 8, luckily part of the program also makes win 8 boot straight to the desktop so win there.

I suppose having to "look for search" will be an outdated concept someday. You just go to the main screen of the OS and start typing and it can search the web/the store/your computer/within apps, etc.

 

[Choc]

i think we need to remember windows 95 got this reaction as well....

those old enough to remember anyway

 

[KojiKnight]

i think we need to remember windows 95 got this reaction as well....

those old enough to remember anyway

I totally remember the controversy where win95's new store was the only way you could design 32-bit apps... Glad Microsoft got over that

 

[mercenar1e]

yeah like DX 11 is so smooth on Windows 7... thanks but no thanks Microsoft

 

[jchap]

Windows 8 on Xbox 720 confirmed

 

[CrankyKong]

I use start8 and its just like windows 7 except slightly faster.
Maybe consider the cost of upgrade $45 instead of $40

 

[Choc]

Windows 8 on Xbox 720 confirmed

this is going to happen. Not windows 8 but something very close to it

Xbox RT

 

[QaaQer]

I totally remember the controversy where win95's new store was the only way you could design 32-bit apps... Glad Microsoft got over that

To be fair, they did legacy the dos shell at that point, kinda like the desktop here and now.

 

[Blizzard]

To be fair, they did legacy the dos shell at that point, kinda like the desktop here and now.

Ironically, I still use the DOS shell (command prompt, to be technical) a lot to this day, in both XP and 7.

I STILL have not found a way to replicate the accurate and functionality of the Windows XP folder search in Windows 7, when searching for text in files. I'm almost certain I tried indexing, not indexing, trying to force, trying to find options, etc.

In XP I could just say, search for files with XYZ in their title, or files with XYZ in their contents. In 7, to catch 100% of such files, as far as I know I'm better off just bringing up a DOS prompt and using "dir /s *xyz*" or "findstr /s xyz *".

That sort of feature regression makes me sad from XP to 7, and I'm someone who LIKES Windows 7 (and who used Vista for a fair bit, and did NOT like Vista).

For another example, with the Windows 7 calculator, certain things are locked in the programmer view, and certain things are locked in the scientific view. As far as I know, the only way to get numbers between them is to store a number in memory, change modes, recall the number from memory, and keep working. In XP, it was an immediate seamless step to use the features that are now mode-restricted, since you didn't have to change modes, unless I'm just totally forgetting something.

 

[Elsolar]

Such a shame, DX11 is legitimately great, a lot better than DX9 or 10, so it's sad to see it getting caught up in OS planned obsolescence bullshit.

 

[Terrell]

With the amount of shit-talk PC developers lob at Windows 8, this will play out well for the supposedly dying dedicated gaming console.

Of course, that assumes that all the bitching people have done actually amounts to anything and won't just cave like they ALWAYS do.

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

It's sad MS is damn determined to force us into the gaming ghetto with the rest of the plebs.

 

[Izayoi]

Guess I'll be stuck with DX11.0 forever.

 

[M3d10n]

Ironically, I still use the DOS shell (command prompt, to be technical) a lot to this day, in both XP and 7.

I STILL have not found a way to replicate the accurate and functionality of the Windows XP folder search in Windows 7, when searching for text in files. I'm almost certain I tried indexing, not indexing, trying to force, trying to find options, etc.

In XP I could just say, search for files with XYZ in their title, or files with XYZ in their contents. In 7, to catch 100% of such files, as far as I know I'm better off just bringing up a DOS prompt and using "dir /s *xyz*" or "findstr /s xyz *".

That sort of feature regression makes me sad from XP to 7, and I'm someone who LIKES Windows 7 (and who used Vista for a fair bit, and did NOT like Vista).

For another example, with the Windows 7 calculator, certain things are locked in the programmer view, and certain things are locked in the scientific view. As far as I know, the only way to get numbers between them is to store a number in memory, change modes, recall the number from memory, and keep working. In XP, it was an immediate seamless step to use the features that are now mode-restricted, since you didn't have to change modes, unless I'm just totally forgetting something.

The beauty of Windows is that whatever usability issue or incomplete feature that bothers you can most likely be remedied by using a 3rd party program. For search, use Everything, which indexes much faster than both XP and Windows 7 and gives you full text search of the entire disk content. It also monitors disk changes, so you can get newly created files in your results as soon as they hit the disk.

 

[alexandros]

So, heads are already starting to roll at Microsoft's Windows team. Can't say I'm surprised.

 

[iamshadowlark]

Didn't read the thread, but does this mean even people with 7 are fucked? This soon?


Even though I suppose 11.1 won't be the standard for awhile.

 

[Drazgul]

Even though I suppose 11.1 won't be the standard for awhile.

It will never be the standard, just like DX10.

 

[SolarPowered]

With the amount of shit-talk PC developers lob at Windows 8, this will play out well for the supposedly dying dedicated gaming console.

Of course, that assumes that all the bitching people have done actually amounts to anything and won't just cave like they ALWAYS do.

If they always caved then Vista would have done much better than it did. Honestly... the PC realm takes a lot less shit than the console realm does. It seems like consoles are riddled with all kinds of red tape, pitfalls and straight up bullshit that has been turned away every time it comes.

DRM, Vista, region locking, corporate trashtalk(lol ubsisoft), bullshit patching policies, shitty backwards compability? Doesn't seem like any of that bullshit has infected the platform as heavily as it did consoles. The PC crowd and platform surely has it's issues, but I'd hardly describe it as something that "caves like they always do". Shit, I wish the console crowd were half as loud.

 

[Reiko]

It will never be the standard, just like DX10.

Direct X 11.1 won't be the standard. But Direct X11 will certainly.

 

[Krilekk]

So this means we'll be stuck with DX11 for the next 8 years?

Windows 9 will be out as soon as 2014/2015.

 

[Joe White]

So, heads are already starting to roll at Microsoft's Windows team. Can't say I'm surprised.

Or he just might be using the break between product cycles as an opportunity to look for new challenges.

"I can assure you that none could be true as this was a personal and private choice that in no way reflects any speculation or theories one might read—about me, opportunity, the company or its leadership."

 

[subversus]

according to the internet the guy had an ego size of a mountain and lost the influence battle with other divisions. Par for the course. I hope MS will be in red soon.

 

[Durante]

Isn't it a strange coincidence that after 23 years of working in (and heading) the Windows department at MS, he suddenly has reasons to leave now?

With the amount of shit-talk PC developers lob at Windows 8, this will play out well for the supposedly dying dedicated gaming console.

Of course, that assumes that all the bitching people have done actually amounts to anything and won't just cave like they ALWAYS do.

And that's, after all, what Microsoft wants.

Windows 8 is good, people need to stop bitching about how "different" it is and give it a fucking chance.

It's not about the quality of Windows 8, or how it differs from previous versions. It's about what you are allowed to do on your own PC, and how you are and will be allowed to distribute applications.

 

[Irobot82]

It's not about the quality of Windows 8, or how it differs from previous versions. It's about what you are allowed to do on your own PC, and how you are and will be allowed to distribute applications.

How's windows 8 different in that sense? Looking at my PC, I can see steam, origin, chrome, firefox, etc. All looks the same as Win7 to me. Now I just have a nice screen that aggregates a lot of useful information and quick links for me.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

And don't fucking say we didn't warn.

Someone's in need of vindication flame posts, I see.

 

[Chev]

The next consoles are all less powerful than a modern PC. Those do not play well with DX11 features. So no console will either.

As mentioned a few pages ago DX11 runs fine on DX9 hardware as long as you stick to the DX9 feature set. If (and that's not a real if) the next xbox SDK is DX11-based this will pretty much guarantee devs switch to the DX11 API because it'll make porting massively easier, even on less powerful machines.

 

[alexandros]

Or he just might be using the break between product cycles as an opportunity to look for new challenges.

You'll excuse me if I don't really believe the official statements on the matter. Had Ballmer and Sinofsky traded blows, would you expect the announcement to say "I kicked his ass and he deserved it, said Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer"?