does the player get to actually interact with those environments or are they just a huge texture? i don't feel like watchin the full video for the answer
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does the player get to actually interact with those environments or are they just a huge texture? i don't feel like watchin the full video for the answer
RealDeadOne
Member
None of the games so far are blowing me away visually, but considering we're still within sight of the launch these do look pretty damn good.
I'll also say that my expectations for this machine are very high, considering the Wii had some of the best looking games last gen in spite of its power- well, when they were run through Dolphin at least.
I'll also say that my expectations for this machine are very high, considering the Wii had some of the best looking games last gen in spite of its power- well, when they were run through Dolphin at least.
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Deleted member 17706
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He has got to be trolling.
I remember thinking that Lair looked like shit back when I first played it at a PS3 preview event in 2006.
gingerbeardman
Member
It always is.
Two Worlds 2 on PS3, mid tier game.
Watch video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nXUOnUC6Ec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA5WLUOr3ik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2ohcE-W9O8
All spells are light sources, many cast shadows etc
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Just Cause 2 PS3
Watch video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nXUOnUC6Ec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA5WLUOr3ik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2ohcE-W9O8
All spells are light sources, many cast shadows etc
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Just Cause 2 PS3
They look like nice current gen games, which is good for such early titles. I wouldn't argue if you told me they were PS3/360 though.
Man, you're really invested in this aren't you?
Get ready to switch to 'graphics don't mean shit! It's all about gameplay!' in six months
someone should make a list.
crazy monkey
Banned
They look like nice current gen games, which is good for such early titles. I wouldn't argue if you told me they were PS3/360 though.
Man, you're really invested in this aren't you?
Get ready to switch to 'graphics don't mean shit! It's all about gameplay!' in six months
that should always be the case regardless of console. Fuck graphicswhoreism. It has brought the cost up so high and you can see the damage it has done just this gen. Fuck the people who are more interested in how the wall and ground is looking rather then how the game play is and what new things game is doing. Do people even play games they just want to watch pretty movies.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
So apparently I'm in a minority on GAF in thinking that Lair looked really fucking nice at 1080p, and AntiAliased
EDIT:
Rofl.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOziJReJ5vM
actual gameplay. note the heavy heavy heavy LOD culling depth of field.
Newton Crosby
Banned
It does not look like a Wii game in HD.
You have not seen the "entire game."
My bad. I was discussing gif you posted. Didnt realize we were comparing Xenoblade. Because nothing on that gif is out of this Gen.
Mostly I'm just confused as hell why someone would compare anything to Lair. Lair? Surely there are better candidates out there.
As for "how I'm feeling," mostly the same, though I do personally think X with its scope is at a level of fidelity that would, at bare minimum, be quite a challenge on current gen consoles without relatively notable compromises.
Just my impression though. Nothing comes to mind on current gen that makes a definitive case for the contrary.
As for "how I'm feeling," mostly the same, though I do personally think X with its scope is at a level of fidelity that would, at bare minimum, be quite a challenge on current gen consoles without relatively notable compromises.
Just my impression though. Nothing comes to mind on current gen that makes a definitive case for the contrary.
GhostTrick
Banned
Maybe it doesn't look out of this gen, but as I've always argued, it looks slightly better than PS3/360 games. Never said it was next gen or something. Even if you're discussing the gif I posted, if you can't see the difference between this and your Lair screenshot... you might have big problems with your seeing.
I like to play games that look pretty. I live in an age where I can often have both to be honest.
The gap between the demo and the actual game was surprising. Graphics aren't anything special now days, but the sense of scale is there, and worth mentioning in that regard. Just Cause 2 is still above everything. That game has to be running on some voodoo magic to pull off what it does.
You don't interact with them, but they are geometry and move slightly.
A lot of people seem very invested, yourself included. This kind of subtle ad hominem has always bugged me. You're obviously are desperate as he is to prove without a shadow of a doubt that this is all current gen visuals.
Which, whatever, that's fine, that's your mandate, but don't pretend like it isn't.
Ew no, it's an ugly game, even on PC.
soundahfekz
Member
Game looks good for the hardware, its nothing that 360/ps3 couldn't do, but that isn't Nintendo's aim anyway.
I do find it funny though how we're googly eyed about Nintendo and graphics, until the HD twins drop, then it won't be about graphics anymore. I think the system and the games will turn out fantastic, (its already looking promising with ND concluded) but it comes off a bit hypocritical from the "gameplay" crowd.
I do find it funny though how we're googly eyed about Nintendo and graphics, until the HD twins drop, then it won't be about graphics anymore. I think the system and the games will turn out fantastic, (its already looking promising with ND concluded) but it comes off a bit hypocritical from the "gameplay" crowd.
Monumental
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As a person who is more than happy with the the current gen of console and the graphics produced by them, I am just happy that Nintendo is finally hitting that bar. I mean, of course I would love to see Nintendo's developers work on the best hardware in the world and produce the most gorgeous graphics, but at the present moment, I'm happy with what I'm seeing.
Artwise it's nice, but nothing technically impressive.
Here's Yoshi at native res. Looks much less impressive than the downsampled pics in the op.
LBP tribute of nintendo?
airmangataosenai
Member
No you're not. Some people seem to be unwilling to talk about just technical proficiency in this thread. When Lair came out it was the first game to attempt anything of that scale, and it still managed some impressive set pieces and effects on top of all that. Terrible gameplay yes, bad art arguably too, but way ahead of it's time in certain areas.
GhostTrick
Banned
Indeed. Especially when you remove the "slightly" part of my sentence.
I know my english can be rude, but please, don't make it worse than it actually is.
Rollo Lawson
Banned
I like them a lot. I wanna especially Pikmin, but damn I like em all
soundahfekz
Member
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
I honestly think X looks better than any 360/PS3 open world game I've ever seen.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Thank you both for this. Unfortunately your posts are likely to be ignored in the hyper-partisan rabble.
They've been giving me headaches all day.
I honestly differ.
KillerTravis
Banned
More like inspired by Yoshi's Story artstyle.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
I do not.
shinobi602
Member
Games are looking better and better, as they should.
The Wii U needs to get to the point where it's no longer being compared with 7-8 year old consoles.
The Wii U needs to get to the point where it's no longer being compared with 7-8 year old consoles.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
We're judging from a blurry, bad, offscreen.
We did the same thing over the Zelda and Bird demos and those turned out to be not special.
But then again many diehard fans are still holding on to those demos as being amazing and outside of the bounds of this gen, somehow.
Unfortunately there is no way will happens. Specs are too much close. Yes, even in those shots I see some little details where can overtakes the counterparts but are just very little details in the global scheme of the things.
it looks extremely similar to both Epic Yarn and Yoshi's Story
Yeah, I'm still not too sure about this. This generation was brutal to devs because consumers demanded that games look amazeballs, without caring about how the game actually plays. Studios shutting down left and right because their game couldn't sell 2 million or sometimes even 1 million copies. That's ridiculous.
The upcoming generation seems to up the ante even more. Is this really what you want? Do you want people to loose their jobs because their studio's budget couldn't handle making the game look like CGI in motion? Obviously I'm exaggerating some, but you get what I'm trying to say.
PC gaming is where it's at if you want crazy realistic graphics. Console gaming on the other hand...well I think developers need to thread a little bit more lightly, and consumers need to understand this.
For the upcoming generation, I really would prefer 1080p @ 60fps with less graphical enhancements than 1080p @ 30fps with the graphics turned up to 100. Hopefully, devs will start investing more in gameplay, and consumers will get back to the heart of gaming: to enjoy games...
The Mario team usually weren't that impressive when it came to graphics. I mean, they made really nice looking games, for sure, but they were a clear step below the likes of Rare and Factor 5 and such. However, EAD Tokyo has proven themselves to be one of the premiere graphics wizards last gen and if they make another SMG, that game is gonna be fucking sensory overload.
MisterHero
Super Member
Assassin's Creed series is pretty nice.
By many accounts though, Ubi-soft made all console versions of ACIII perform terribly. Demanding too much of hardware helps no one.
But it use the same camera views of LBP in any case.
GhostTrick
Banned
Mmh... Is my english so bad ?
I mean, I just said "slightly better". Did I used the wrong word ? Just to be sure, slightly is equal to small right ? I've never said it's out of this gen can do, I only said it looks slightly better, considering the scale and the graphic quality.
Im surprised we havent seen any people bring up Killzone 3, Gears of War 3, Halo 4, God of War 3, and Uncharted 2 yet
Granted the Wii U games look good, personally they look like upper level Ps3/360 games, but it seems like the Wii U will end up the same as last gen
Wii was stronger then Gamecube but still paled in comparison with Ps3/360
I think this will repeat itself
Wii U is stronger then Wii/360/Ps3 but will ultimately pale compared to PS4/Durango
Granted the Wii U games look good, personally they look like upper level Ps3/360 games, but it seems like the Wii U will end up the same as last gen
Wii was stronger then Gamecube but still paled in comparison with Ps3/360
I think this will repeat itself
Wii U is stronger then Wii/360/Ps3 but will ultimately pale compared to PS4/Durango
You mean the... normal 2D sidescroller camera?
Do you have played yet the game to know the scale? I don't think a pics or a short trailers can gives a real idea about the 'incredible' scale.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Way to be a negative Nancy.
Alex
Member
Regardless of personal opinion of what looks better, I really think Xeno is a pretty wonderful effort for an early lifespan showing, one still under development, from a far more inexperienced studio no less. I'm pretty impressed, and I hope it's a torch Nintendo can carry with their own bigger games come E3.
If Nintendo wants to hit a general quality of aesthetics that you have to throw hyper polished releases like RDR against, then I'm very satisfied with that. More is always better, but no complaints.
I'm still hoping that Nintendo can really push a little further, though, I do admit that wish that the Wii U could brunt just a bit further though, mostly for 1080p. 1080p and some solid AA can do RIDICULOUS shit for open world games visuals. Games you'd think had middling visuals on consoles turn into stunners like some kind of magic.
Although, I still expect really stupid silly things done with image quality on new boxes as well, I would love to be wrong!
If Nintendo wants to hit a general quality of aesthetics that you have to throw hyper polished releases like RDR against, then I'm very satisfied with that. More is always better, but no complaints.
I'm still hoping that Nintendo can really push a little further, though, I do admit that wish that the Wii U could brunt just a bit further though, mostly for 1080p. 1080p and some solid AA can do RIDICULOUS shit for open world games visuals. Games you'd think had middling visuals on consoles turn into stunners like some kind of magic.
Although, I still expect really stupid silly things done with image quality on new boxes as well, I would love to be wrong!
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Thats gonna be more art decisions than sheer technical wizardry though. A Mario game is just never going to allow for some total headfuck "how is this on screen!!!!" moment like more detailed games. Unless they go for some realtime artwork shit like Yoshi's Island in 3D rather than the totally clean Pixar CGI look. Clever use of shaders is only so far on the amaze-sauce spectrum.
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