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I had no idea Nomura was borrowing so much from FF12 for Versus ..
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Yes. So many secrets in that world. WA6 now.
Coffee Dog
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It's funny that I actually enjoyed Vaan's character much more in Dissida 012 than FFXII. Probably because he actually had one.
Other than him and Penelo, I adore FFXII. No animu bullshit writing, just adults talking.
Other than him and Penelo, I adore FFXII. No animu bullshit writing, just adults talking.
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Ghost_Protocol
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I'm officially on the hype train now. I believe everything Zeal said. God help me.
Jawmuncher
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You know a small part of me wants to see this game fail.
Just because of the sheer backlash that would occur, it would be worse than FF13.
Especially with the club of fans Nomura has.
But the actual logical part of me just wants a good FF game.
Just because of the sheer backlash that would occur, it would be worse than FF13.
Especially with the club of fans Nomura has.
But the actual logical part of me just wants a good FF game.
surprised nobody mentions qte based on that sentence lol
Versus XIII now a VII remake with action combat.
manipulate
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My reaction to this entire thread:
I WANT TO BELIEVE
I WANT TO BELIEVE
...
What??
Different strokes, I guess. Confirming that its combat is like XII would make me want to buy the damn game.
Zero chance it will be like XII given he much more action focus. Maybe a gambi like system for party members but I could live without it.
Yeah, now I'm just marginally curious about the game. Oh well.
googleplex
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FF12 was easily in the top three final fantasy games.
But the combat in FFXII was so unengaging. You just . . . set your gambits and made adjustments as you went.
I dunno, I'm more interested in the action battles the trailers claimed we're getting. 12's combat system was easily my least favorite part of the game. Followed by its lack of a soundtrack.
Xux
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Yeah, it's definitely one of the most perfect in the series. If Ito's big thing ends up being FFXVI and is an extension of FFXII's system, it'd be pretty awesome.
Different strokes... I loved XII's system.
Whereas, 'action battles' seem really safe and pedestrian to me.
ProfessorMoran
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Maybe more playable characters like Balthier and fewer moody, anti-social 16-17 year olds who somehow can fight proficiently without practical warfare experience.
Xux
Member
Have there been any in the Final Fantasy series?
Action battles can be fun and require you pay attention. You can literally walk away from XII and let it play itself. I'd rather go for something "pedestrian" than a game that plays itself.
But as you say, different strokes.
This is FF, not SMT. Most mob battles are just press A to win affairs. If gambits can take care of them for me, so much the better.
Sure, if you grind and overlevel.
Who are you trying to claim fits this despite being horribly wrong?
A mysterious sickness which gives him a tribal tattoo "scar" and gives his arm super powers.
The standard mobs are generally boring but the tougher battles (mainly the marks) where you had to have manual input alongside the Gambits were very good and the battle system was engaging then.
I don't agree that the soundtrack was bad either. It's not as good as FF VIII/IX/X and it may take a few listens to appreciate but I thought it had a good amount of solid tracks. Seeking Power, Giza Plains, Golmore Jungle (very underrated piece IMO), Rabanastre Lowtown, Salikawood, the Empire's theme, the Esper battle theme, and of course the Gilgamesh theme is awesome. The boss theme and the Sochen Cave Palace theme are also pretty decent.
Xux
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Also, Balthier, a 22-year-old who was named a Judge because his dad is in a position of a lot of power, has more practical combat experience than...Cloud? A 22-year-old career soldier who was imprisoned and tortured for, like, four years, turned into a super soldier, and then watched his best friend and idol sacrifice himself for him? Squall? A 17-year-old student at a military academy with live exercises against real monsters and deals with para-magic induced amnesia surrounding the only family he ever knew?
I can't really think of anyone else who's anti-social.
I can't really think of anyone else who's anti-social.
See this is my problem because this never happened for me outside of the random invincibility some bosses had which was just stupid design.
Yin at, Omega Mk XII, Fire Wyrm and Gilg were all taken out by auto battle . The only exception was Yizmat's Death and once or twice MK XII killed the leader and revive took .2 seconds to long to cast, but it didn't matter because as soon as it did it went right back to auto after I switched back to the OG leader.
Did people really just not optimize their gambits or something?
decoyplatypus
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It would be better if FFXII eliminated rote combat instead of just allowing you to automate it, but even if we accept repeated, dull encounters as a seres staple, I think XII could have gone much further in allowing the player to streamline the combat. FFXII could have followed through on the U.S. football analogy by letting you save particular gambit arrangements and hot key them so that you could "audible" to a new set instead of having to either (a) go back and reprogram them one-by-one each time you go to a new area or (b) slog through the combat with unoptimized gambits. The result might have been something akin to the optima system in FFXIII, except that the player would have been free to write different roles (via the license board) and AI patterns from the ground up. And of course the pace and battle flow would have remained FFXII's rather than XIII's.
There's nothing to decipher.
badcrumble
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I want to see a game in which characters can have any ability, but set AI/"battle preferences" that differ by character and cannot be edited (but can change dynamically during the course of the story).
e.g. A character could have a preference for violence, or a preference for theft, or for defending their teammates; you could call them in for help or send them to take down enemies via a party-command system, but the manner of their doing so would be dictated by their personality. A character could behave differently if they're depressed at one part of the story, or really angry and aggressive, et cetera. You'd be better off teaching characters abilities that best fit their personalities. Would be interesting in an ARPG, at least.
e.g. A character could have a preference for violence, or a preference for theft, or for defending their teammates; you could call them in for help or send them to take down enemies via a party-command system, but the manner of their doing so would be dictated by their personality. A character could behave differently if they're depressed at one part of the story, or really angry and aggressive, et cetera. You'd be better off teaching characters abilities that best fit their personalities. Would be interesting in an ARPG, at least.
This only applies to like, the protagonist from FFIII, and only partially. Some protagonists are career soldiers, like Cloud, Squall, and Lightning (of the three only Squall is a teen, and Cloud and Lightning are meta-humans), others are raised as soldiers (specifically WoL, Terra and Cecil, assuming Dissidia's backstory for WoL.
Terra, Cecil, and WoL aren't human beings anyway, one being half-Summon, the other Half-Lunarian, and the last being Half-God.
So I guess you have Luneth 15, and Vaan, of unknown teenage and Tidus, who is
not human.
Beyond that though, the entire idea of gaining EXPERIENCE points and going up EXPERIENCE levels is to indicate that when games begin, your PC ISN'T proficient until they've gone out and gained EXPERIENCE.
XP isn't some magical juice that monsters bleed that makes you stronger.
I haven't followed much of the development for Versus but I'm still pretty excited for it. One thing I'm a little worried about is I'm not sure how I feel hearing the characters will be like XII's. The only characters I ended up really liking were Balthier, Gabranth, Vossler and Asche and only two of them are playable.
Is all the characters shown the only ones we'll get to play as?
Is all the characters shown the only ones we'll get to play as?
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
And a fantastic, fantastic overworld music. Crossing Over The Sorrowful Land is amazing.
Too bad the protagonist is rather insufferable.
Still looks like fun.
AW HELL NAW
Of course you did. Square Enix is as "good" as Nintendo in keeping secrets and not really showing anything from games to anyone until they are ready.
And so much wrong in this thread. Not only does FFXII have one of the best combat systems of ANY JRPGs (if you don't want the game to "play itself", as if that's even possible other than against some normal mobs, DON'T MAKE IT PLAY ITSELF, the Gambit system is fully customizable, make the game as automatic or manual as you want), the OST is phenomenal as well, miles ahead shit like IX (which isn't even the best PS1 era FF OST, let alone of all FFs).
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They have already back pedalled on the cutscenes thing. They've gone to scrap some of the real time cutscenes and made them CGI. Can't remember the new ration but there is an increase in CGI. Maybe they will still make some of those scenes controllable but probably not that many.
The Jason
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Love the battle system in X-2. Fast paced turn based combat with the ability to chain combos, and in-battle role changing.
As for Versus, I already knew from the one trailer which showed gameplay that it would be similar to FFXII in terms of exploration.
They didn't backpedal on anything, when they said they'd change the way they'd handle cutscenes/storytelling in the game, they already admitted that not all of them would be done that way
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
The concept art by Kamikokuryo is always amazing. XIII, XIII-2 and LR are glorious in regards to this. A shame sometimes 3d artists fail to deliver his visions in the final game...