Hispanics will soon surpass white population in California

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First generation Mexicans? I think you mean first generation Mexican-Americans. A first gen Mexican would be a child born in Mexico to foreign parents.

Unless that's what you mean, which would make these posts a lot more confusing.
 
Yeah Hispanic and Latino are very confusing terms.

If you are of dutch descent and south african you are still white.

For some reason many try to lump the very diverse/immigrant/mixed ancestry of latin americans into one group. This probably stems for the fact that there is no defined category for a large portion of latin americans who are mixed race/mestizo, etc. IE a mix of european heritage with some american native.

There definitely seem to be some xenophobic attitudes to try and categorize hispanics separately.

Most surveys ask for race separately and then whether you are hispanic or not as a separate question. So if you consider yourself black/white/asian and hispanic it seems a bit straightforward. But what about if like many hispanics you are mixed/mestizo. What do you answer? Other or mixed and hispanic??

HAHA I actually have a sancom friend........... that is black that complains about his culture and no one has a problem with it.... I don't know why everyone gets so hot and bothered here. People do complain about their culture.... It's not the end of the world....

There is not one single "mexican culture". Mexicans are quite diverse when it comes to race, socioeconomic status, customs and norms, etc. Your generalization is worthless.
 
HAHA I actually have a sancom friend........... that is black that complains about his culture and no one has a problem with it.... I don't know why everyone gets so hot and bothered here. People do complain about their culture.... It's not the end of the world....

There's not liking some aspects of the people you're around (machismo in this case) but in no fucking way is part of our culture. Also, not liking those parts isn't the same as ...

California's the shit now, if you visit go up North. Socal sucks. All you see in Socal are dumb little first generation Mexicans that spew out "VIVA MEXICO" and "fuck America" when they've only been to Tijuana once. Then there's the poor farm workers that have like 5 kids but most of them are nice, but then you get some nasty ones like the one guy complained about in his apartment complex thread. They like to ram their cart into you at Walmart and then pretend they don't speak English.

I may sound racist but it happens too much, I believe its a cultural thing. Ugh especially some Mexican men and my grandfather (I'm Mexican/Russian) I really hate that machismo shit most Mexican men are taught. Like chihuahuas all bark no bite. Mexican culture sucks I hate my family.

So, fuck you.
 
Have you met any Mexicans in college? All the ones I've met there have been the nicest most awesome people. Ranging from first gen to second and third. Hell, I work with first/second gen students in the Pomona areas and make sure they all get into college, and they are as bright as they get. Like, there will always be a bad bunch of people, that goes with any race, anyone? But don't you stereotype everyone. I know a guy who just got his papers and now works for an audit firm, fresh from Zacatecas and came to high school/college here. Like, I can give you a whole slew of counter examples to yours. IE: Don't stereotype Mexicans, I hate it, its totally undeserved, and uncalled for.

In the new college I'm in I'm taking accounting courses so I don't actually see many Mexican men (some Mexican women though that are older but very nice their 1st/2nd generation). But last semester I had to have a group project for an entrepreneur class and I was partnered up with four Mexican men. I actually didn't take their ethnicity into account until now not that I am either, they weren't my def of "macho". Long story short they didn't contribute at all to the project promised me it would be done on the last week so I had two days to finish all their portions. I asked one of them if he was going to still participate he cussed me out told me to shut the fuck up and that he wasn't going to do shit. The other one just smirked and asked if I would grade him 90% other two just bailed (once after he told me he got his financial aid money). Teacher gave them As because it was my fault that I wasn't delegating better. Hmmm yeah I don't know. I think they were just the sucky students, race aside. Actually I have met two very kind and funny Mexican men at a bank I job shadowed at. You're right I'm sorry there are some really kind Mexican men I've met (those two as of yet) but until I see more that 2 nice Mexican men (and you) I'm going to keep feeling this way. And you telling me of nice hardworking family oriented people just isn't going to make me feel differently.
 
Usually Hispanic because the other side is not quite 100% Irish (bit o' English in there too) and because of the last name, but mostly because I love watching Mexico beat the ever loving shit out of the US in soccer.

Boooooooo I never wanted this day to come, but now I have something H.Pro and I must be bitter enemies over
 
In the new college I'm in I'm taking accounting courses so I don't actually see many Mexican men (some Mexican women though that are older but very nice their 1st/2nd generation). But last semester I had to have a group project for an entrepreneur class and I was partnered up with four Mexican men. I actually didn't take their ethnicity into account until now not that I am either, they weren't my def of "macho". Long story short they didn't contribute at all to the project promised me it would be done on the last week so I had two days to finish all their portions. I asked one of them if he was going to still participate he cussed me out told me to shut the fuck up and that he wasn't going to do shit. The other one just smirked and asked if I would grade him 90% other two just bailed (once after he told me he got his financial aid money). Teacher gave them As because it was my fault that I wasn't delegating better. Hmmm yeah I don't know. I think they were just the sucky students, race aside. Actually I have met two very kind and funny Mexican men at a bank I job shadowed at. You're right I'm sorry there are some really kind Mexican men I've met (those two as of yet) but until I see more that 2 nice Mexican men (and you) I'm going to keep feeling this way. And you telling me of nice hardworking family oriented people just isn't going to make me feel differently.

What school are you going to? Like, that kind of event would need an academic review and a call to the dean. Seriously.
 
In the new college I'm in I'm taking accounting courses so I don't actually see many Mexican men (some Mexican women though that are older but very nice their 1st/2nd generation). But last semester I had to have a group project for an entrepreneur class and I was partnered up with four Mexican men. I actually didn't take their ethnicities into account until now not that I am either, they weren't my def of "macho". Long story short they didn't contribute at all to the project promised me it would be done on the last week so I had two days to finish all their portions. I asked one of them if he was going to still participate he cussed me out told me to shut the fuck up and that he wasn't going to do shit. The other one just smirked and asked if I would grade him 90% other two just bailed. Teacher gave them As because it was my fault that I wasn't delegating better. Hmmm yeah I don't know.
That sucks that you got stuck with Mexicans on your project. Of all the rotten luck! I bet that teacher was a Mexican apologist.
 
This thread is a fucking disaster. There's the blatant stuff, but also the idiotic stuff that just flies under the radar. Some general racist sentiments and stereotypes shared here:

-it's no longer America if it's not majority white OR it's really just Mexico lol

-its called LOS ANGELES, what did u expect???

-it's okay if this happens, because the women are hot OR I welcome this because more good food for me (they have things to offer ME so that means it's okay in my book!)

-Those damn Hispanics and the many unpleasant things they all do that I dislike. I may sound racist, but it's okay - they do it all the time. Plus I'm part Mexican and have a few Mexican buddies so it's alright to be fucking racist. I'm not wrong. (This is about as fucking terrible as "I have a black friend so it's alright, guys.)

-As a non-white person (attempting to justify an upcoming stupid opinion), it isn't necessarily a good thing if white privilege disappears: a foreign flag will be flown and the English language may be renounced. whites, in this clearly unfortunate scenario, will lose out ... somehow.

-Glad my white folks got the fuck out of there before it really got bad

-Cuban women love to argue ("it's okay, guys, I know/friended/married one"). (Jews love money, blacks can't refuse that fried chicken, etc.)

-Latinas > USA Latinas. (how much shit would I get for saying Africans are better than blacks in the US?)

-"My girlfriend is white. As a white Mexican, I fit very nicely with her white family."
WTF? Dark skin = not as good a fit? White people "fit together very nicely" with other whites? I know you're making a harmless observation of your own situation as you see it, but it's pretty fucking ridiculous to consciously think this way of your relationship with her and her family.

-Glad I'm half-hispanic OR glad I'm dating a hispanic person, because I will be able to sidestep violence in the future.
I know remarks like these are said in jest, but there's a long racist history in so-called harmless joking about violence at the hands of growing numbers of colored people - implying or overtly stating that it's in their nature and it will happen inevitably... so take precaution lol!
 
In the new college I'm in I'm taking accounting courses so I don't actually see many Mexican men (some Mexican women though that are older but very nice their 1st/2nd generation). But last semester I had to have a group project for an entrepreneur class and I was partnered up with four Mexican men. I actually didn't take their ethnicity into account until now not that I am either, they weren't my def of "macho". Long story short they didn't contribute at all to the project promised me it would be done on the last week so I had two days to finish all their portions. I asked one of them if he was going to still participate he cussed me out told me to shut the fuck up and that he wasn't going to do shit. The other one just smirked and asked if I would grade him 90% other two just bailed (once after he told me he got his financial aid money). Teacher gave them As because it was my fault that I wasn't delegating better. Hmmm yeah I don't know. I think they were just the sucky students, race aside. Actually I have met two very kind and funny Mexican men at a bank I job shadowed at. You're right I'm sorry there are some really kind Mexican men I've met (those two as of yet) but until I see more that 2 nice Mexican men (and you) I'm going to keep feeling this way. And you telling me of nice hardworking family oriented people just isn't going to make me feel differently.

A lot of races bail on group projects.
 
In the new college I'm in I'm taking accounting courses so I don't actually see many Mexican men (some Mexican women though that are older but very nice their 1st/2nd generation). But last semester I had to have a group project for an entrepreneur class and I was partnered up with four Mexican men. I actually didn't take their ethnicity into account until now not that I am either, they weren't my def of "macho". Long story short they didn't contribute at all to the project promised me it would be done on the last week so I had two days to finish all their portions. I asked one of them if he was going to still participate he cussed me out told me to shut the fuck up and that he wasn't going to do shit. The other one just smirked and asked if I would grade him 90% other two just bailed (once after he told me he got his financial aid money). Teacher gave them As because it was my fault that I wasn't delegating better. Hmmm yeah I don't know. I think they were just the sucky students, race aside. Actually I have met two very kind and funny Mexican men at a bank I job shadowed at. You're right I'm sorry there are some really kind Mexican men I've met (those two as of yet) but until I see more that 2 nice Mexican men (and you) I'm going to keep feeling this way. And you telling me of nice hardworking family oriented people just isn't going to make me feel differently.

Well... at least judge people on case by case without bias in the future?
 
It's ok my post did sound a bit racist and waay biased. Well I guess the only excuse why a majority of the Mexican-american students I had to deal with in high school were rude and disrespectful was because they were disadvantaged? There's so many programs from Mexican born/ Mexican 1st generation children and adults in Oxnard that I don't really see them being disadvantages against there (Plus a lot of them actually had homes! They weren't poor most at my high school anyways). Especially when I lived in Escondido for a couple months and one Mexican american student yelled at a fob Mexican lady and her two kids to "go back to the border". It wasn't a white kid yelling that....

Hey that's where I live! I don't really get the point of the anecdote, but whatever.

yeah this dude.. Duncan Hunter
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He has a face you just want to punch.

No, the bribery guy is Duke Cunningham. Duncan Hunter succeeded his father, who was also named Duncan Hunter.
 
I can't wait til brown cops are pulling you over asking why you're in that particular neighborhood, where you're going or if you're in a gang.

Lol.

If he drives through LA this might happen I believe the LAPD is a minority majority department.

Bulk of the LAPD is Hispanic. The number of LAPD female Hispanic officers actually is double the number of Female Caucasian LAPD officers.
 
-Latinas > USA Latinas. (how much shit would I get for saying Africans are better than blacks in the US?)

Zero. I think people would assume you were talking about personal preference in terms of dating. Doesn't mean you hate American women who are black.
 
Boooooooo I never wanted this day to come, but now I have something H.Pro and I must be bitter enemies over

But we both love beer, timetokill, and beer bridges all differences/conflicts. Any watching and crowing over the soccer will just have to be done with beer, that's all. :)


Lol.

If he drives through LA this might happen I believe the LAPD is a minority majority department.

Bulk of the LAPD is Hispanic. The number of LAPD female Hispanic officers actually is double the number of Female Caucasian LAPD officers.

I had heard this and was both impressed and heartened. Bit more representative of the population now.
 
I'm talking about Ventura, Oxnard, and a tiny bit of San Diego.
have you been there? Lived there? Sorry if I didn't clarify that in my post. I don't see how I'm being racist to my own kind? I am Mexican I have Mexican friends and we agree on this. But you can't understand where I'm coming from so you get scared and have to say I'm racist or an to go fuck myself with an object.

How does that add to the discussion? My mom is Mexican Colombian but she looks like a "beaner" she knows that we all know that I'm not being racist in acknowledging. Just like I'm not being racist in hating my own grandfathers way of treating and raising me. And sure you can say BUT HE'S ONLY ONE MAN. HOW CAN I JUDGE A WHOLE MALE ETHNIC GROUP on one man?? I live in the real world, I work I go to school, I hear the horrible stories my mom tells me of her work. It is a cultural thing and if you don't want to except that fine by me but don't tell me I'm racist or wrong because you don't live in this ethnicity so you ultimately don't know.
With how you continue to articulate yourself, you can't escape the fact that you're generalizing all Mexicans.

I have many Mexican friends that have immigrated here. They are awesome people and not at all machismo. They are nothing like what you describe. Yet they were born and raised in Mexico. However, they are also educated, which is extremely important.

I'm not saying that the Mexicans you know are necessarily uneducated... but the problem you're identifying could be more accurately described as a culture + class problem.

But of course uneducated people of all races and cultures tend to be more 'machismo' and obnoxious. If my impression of Canadians was based on certain small towns, and I didn't know any better, I might think that all Canadians were ignorant bigots.
 
A lot of races bail on group projects.

Yup. Was the only one in the project that put any effort and saved everyone ass from getting D, got a B, had to stay up till fucking 4:45 a.m. to finish the project and 10 mins before our presentation had to tell them what to say. FYI I'm of Mexican descent the other's were black, white (half) and asian (Vietnamese). Group projects sucks.
 
I uh... what? Those are generalizations based on your grandfather. And you're using the "my Mexican friends agree" thing? C'mon! There are self hating Mexicans, unfortunately. When I was young, they would try to make you feel ashamed if you were Mexican. Especially in the white schools. Some of the kids would pretend to be white just so they could fit in and they would grow up resenting their own race. It was a sad thing to see. Kinda wish I could look them up and see if they ever got over it and accepted their heritage.

How did they pretend to be white?
 
Yup. Was the only one in the project that put any effort and saved everyone ass from getting D, got a B, had to stay up till fucking 4:45 a.m. to finish the project and 10 mins before our presentation had to tell them what to say. FYI I'm of Mexican descent the other's were black, white (half) and asian (Vietnamese). Group projects sucks.

Yea. Last group project me and 1 other person of the 4 did everything, and he phoned it in hard.
 
Yup. Was the only one in the project that put any effort and saved everyone ass from getting D, got a B, had to stay up till fucking 4:45 a.m. to finish the project and 10 mins before our presentation had to tell them what to say. FYI I'm of Mexican descent the other's were black, white (half) and asian (Vietnamese). Group projects sucks.

Yes, I fucking hated that lazy shit by professors.
 
What school are you going to? Like, that kind of event would need an academic review and a call to the dean. Seriously.

Ahh I actually tried to do that because I was rushing that project I missed my other final (by the same teacher) and she failed me for that final and the class (I would have had a 4.0 instead I got a 2.87). I tried going to the dean (he wanted to have a meeting with me and her to discuss the grade because I was fighting her on it) and he stopped replying 15 days ago.

Then yesterday I found out that her and the dean are in a relationship so that's why I think he's not going to do anything about it and I don't really want to start drama at that school since I live in a small town and that's the only community college there. So I would have to now go to the vice principal if I wanted it to get solved but then there would be a huge investigation and that guy that told me to shut the fuck up would probably get expelled for cussing me out and making me feel threatened and then I would be scared for a couple months thinking he would try and get revenge.

So, I'm just going to take the class again online and try to move out of state as soon as possible.
 
I believe there needs to be a referendum on GAF as to whether or not culture exists at all. Between this thread and the "ask about black people" thread, it would appear that any attempt to generalize the behavior or cultural attitudes of a group is immediately rejected.

I think we can all agree that it's best to assess people individually. But is culture an acceptable barometer for judging anything? Does such a thing exist? How localized does "culture" have to be before we deem it acceptable as a measurement?

Because in all these discussions, the only use for the word "culture" has been for black members of GAF to self segregate in the Community forum or to half-heartedly suggest white people can't dance. Beyond that, any use of the term is met with open hostility.
 
I believe there needs to be a referendum on GAF as to whether or not culture exists at all. Between this thread and the "ask about black people" thread, it would appear that any attempt to generalize the behavior or cultural attitudes of a group is immediately rejected.

I think we can all agree that it's best to assess people individually. But is culture an acceptable barometer for judging anything? Does such a thing exist? How localized does "culture" have to be before we deem it acceptable as a measurement?

Because in all these discussions, the only use for the word "culture" has been for black members of GAF to self segregate in the Community forum or to half-heartedly suggest white people can't dance. Beyond that, any use of the term is met with open hostility.

Ahh I agree with that thank you. I was asking my friend why so many people were so angry with what I wrote and she said that the people on gaf come from good families and are well educated while I'm overall a low status/ average unlucky person. And that I would find those types of people at a community college regardless of ethnicity. My moms job sucks and my neighborhood sucks. So I guess that is where we can't see eye to eye. That makes sense I'm sorry that I've offended many of you, I should have told you my social status first haha.... One last thing macho men isn't a new topic go on google there's many articles talking about it....
 
Ahh I agree with that thank you. I was asking my friend why so many people were so angry with what I wrote and she said that the people on gaf come from good families and are well educated while I'm overall a low status/ average unlucky person. And that I would find those types of people at a community college regardless of ethnicity. My moms job sucks and my neighborhood sucks. So I guess that is where we can't see eye to eye. That makes sense I'm sorry that I've offended many of you, I should have told you my social status first haha.... One last thing macho men isn't a new topic go on google there's many articles talking about it....

Everyone is seeing eye to eye with you.
Everyone is saying you can't lump an entire group into your low status/average and unlucky experience. You realize thats a mistake right? That all people of any ethnicity aren't the same, that people in general aren't all the same?

Come on man! :)
 
Everyone is seeing eye to eye with you.
Everyone is saying you can't lump an entire group into your low status/average and unlucky experience. You realize thats a mistake right? That all people of any ethnicity aren't the same, that people in general aren't the same?

Come on man! :)

Yeah I was thinking that when I went to the bathroom, my grandfather was an abusive man so my aunts married abusive men and I seem to be a magnet for people like that same goes for my mom (but she also complains too much). Even though most of them are Mexican I shouldn't lump them all together. When I move to Canada and see kind Mexican people I will think back and say ohh gaff you opened my eyes. I think I was just so ok with saying it on here is because my mom and I complain about this almost every time we meet and so getting acceptance from my beliefs with her and other people I know it validates that opinion. But I think hearing that not all people are like that has changed my opinion a bit I won't let this hate in my heart stay there forever.

Right now I can tell you I feel really silly, but maybe I feel this way since I haven't been to Oxnard in a month so I've kind of forgotten about the people there. I don't know there's is still cultural norms so I can't 100% agree with the no grouping thing. Meh.
 
Geez how is this thing six pages....

Please keep making your delicious foods from a variety of countries south of the border and learn some English if you don't already speak it (i know you don't have to but it helps)

That is all
 
The majority of white people definitely don't think that at all. Maybe the more liberal white people do. But if they think it'll be "better," they wouldn't necessarily be referring to themselves, but to society as a whole. Things will be more fair. The lower classes will have more lobbying power, which would lead to better economic treatment, maybe getting a better social safety net for them, maybe fixing some of the institutions white people have fucked up with and don't really want to fix. It wouldn't be some magic pill for America or some instant fix, but it would very likely be leading toward progress, however much it is.

As for the silly things you think Hispanic people might do in power... Well, that's just silliness. I can see Spanish someday being made the official second language of the US, but that's about it.

You don't really believe that do you? How is substituting one majority ethnic group for another going to change anything? Have you been to California? Which institutions did white people fuck up in your eyes?

How would it be progress? Who benefits the most? See it would be one thing if the Hispanics coming in were liberal, secular etc. Instead, the majority are vehemently Catholic, primarily speak their own language, and are not really interested in assimilating.

How is it silly to think California won't adopt Spanish as the official language of government? If the majority are Hispanic and speak Spanish first, why wouldn't they pass such a law?

See in a democracy, anything happens when you become a majority power. You think because Hispanics become the majority, it would allow for effective lobbying and representation. But only for Hispanics.

It's like in the show the wire, pretty soon, non Hispanics including whites/blacks will wake up one day and live in a state that is a different demographic from them. The problems won't go away at all. I'm all for diversity, I live in Canada, one of the most diverse and multicultural countries in the developed world, but we don't have such a huge demographic shift there is now. California has transformed literally in two decades. Go by Compton today, you'd see more Hispanics than you'd see black people.

Anyways , just wanted to share my thoughts. I just find it interesting from a non-white perspective. I can't say what I mean properly and I have to be mindful of what I write. So ill leave it at that.
 
Madness,
41% is not a majority.
And many Latinos don't speak Spanish.
The rest seems like a lot of worry over nothing.
 
Madness,
41% is not a majority.

Er...in this case, yeah it is. 41% makes them the largest single ethnic population in California.

As a white native Californian, I'm okay with this and it kind of blows my mind that there are people who aren't okay with it.
 
Er...in this case, yeah it is. 41% makes them the largest single ethnic population in California.

And by definition, not a majority. The word he was looking for was 'plurality'.
 
Zero. I think people would assume you were talking about personal preference in terms of dating. Doesn't mean you hate American women who are black.

The number of times I've heard people make racist or stereotypical comments and justify it as "dating preferences" (and it doesn't have to be hateful to be offensive).

Go ahead. Try giving a serious explanation of why "foreign Latinas" are better than "USA Latinas." You're probably going to look like an asshole and annoy people on both sides of this comparison.

Regarding fear of Spanish overtaking English that a couple of people have expressed: most second-generation Hispanics speak English as a primary language, with comparatively limited fluency or just basic understanding of Spanish. I've met a number of second and third gen folks that outright don't speak Spanish competently or at all. The difficulty or unwillingness (or inability, if educational opportunity is a factor) to pick up English resides almost entirely in older first-gen individuals. Even young immigrants tend to want to learn it very quickly -- consuming American entertainment in English and knowing the language is seen as cool and socially acceptable, and one doesn't want to be perceived as "fresh off the boat," or labeled "IMMIGRANT," or something equally derogatory.
 
He ain't my bro, bro

Alright, bro!

The number of times I've heard people make racist or stereotypical comments and justify it as "dating preferences" (and it doesn't have to be hateful to be offensive).

Go ahead. Try giving a serious explanation of why "foreign Latinas" are better than "USA Latinas." You're probably going to look like an asshole and annoy people on both sides of this comparison.

Did I say that was my opinion? It isn't. I don't have a preference. My list runs the gamut. That said, I could see people who immigrated here preferring people from their homeland. Or people who were raised with certain values preferring people with similar values. If a guy liked Columbian girls from Columbia because he likes their dirty talk better, does that make him evil?! Nay!
 
Alright, bro!



Did I say that was my opinion? It isn't. I don't have a preference. My list runs the gamut. That said, I could see people who immigrated here preferring people from their homeland. Or people who were raised with certain values preferring people with similar values. If a guy liked Columbian girls from Columbia because he likes their dirty talk better, does that make him evil?! Nay!

e__e Mexican men can't be macho but Columbian girls can all talk dirty...
 
e__e Mexican men can't be macho but Columbian girls can all talk dirty...

The regional slang is different from region to region. There are some things that don't mean the same or aren't said here that are said there. Doesn't mean they're all dirty talkers. You're trying to paint every single Mexican with the same brush.
 
Well East Coast girls are hip, I really dig those styles they wear.
And Columbian girls, with their dirty talk, they knock me out when I'm down there.

I wish they all could be foreign Latina giiiiiiiiiiiirls
 
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