Mantorok
Member
Now that would be a smart move.
The Wii U in a worse or better shape after the PS4 reveal?
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Now that would be a smart move.
Yup and I think 360 / ps3 will be ps4 / xb3's biggest problems too.
Nintendo makes hardware for themselves. They haven't actually cared about third parties for a long, long time. If they did, they wouldn't have targeted the TDP that they have.
The Mana Legend
Banned
See, that's the thing. I don't give two shits about technological advancements. As long as the system can look nice on current gen TVs, then I am happy.
Wii U games look nice, and Nintendo knows what they are doing.
And the sluggish Wii U OS doesn't bother me at all. The long load times aren't preferable, but once you get into the apps, they are fast and responsive, which is more important to me. One of my biggest problems with the Wii/PS3/360 were that once you'd get into an app, they'd be some of the most unresponsive shit ever. Especially the goddamn shit stores.
Spieler Eins
Member
Better, if they manage to bring out all these promised big hitters/high budget Nintendo productions right in time. Sony has shown no desirable PS4 games that would have appeal outside of Sony loyalists and the price tag will probably not justify a graphical bump that's not gonna blow away the mainstream, so the launch is probably gonna be just as bad as the Wii U and Nintendo still has chances to pick up steam.
PapaJustify
Member
It's not only that it takes long to load, but the whole way the User Experience is designed.
One example:
I think Miiverse is a great addition. But the way you for example you have to administer your friend list is a pain for nowaday standards. There are things like that you have to confirm your profile first to accept or even receive friend requests, while you have no problems posting in the miiverse. Why is this not part of the setup process?
Messages and posts are not updated in real time because the Miiverse basically works on request just like a web page.
Then you have this 100 characters limitation. I mean 100 is just as arbitray as 140 but even on Twitter you can post longer messages.
If you want to see if a friend is online you have to open the HOME menu, where it displays how many friends are online without telling you the names before entering the Friend list. But the friend list is entirely different application so you are basically Miiverse because when you leave the friend list you are in the Wii U menu again and have to reenter Miiverse. But nowhere in Miiverse you can see information about your friends or who is online. Even though the profiles are tied to Miiverse and not to the friend list. And every time you change between friend list, Miiverse and Wii U menu you have those small loading times which are just becoming painful after a while.
Another example:
Downloads can also only be accessed via HOME menu. And you don't get much information if downloads are finished apart from the light around the HOME button menu blinking subtly. And you have to enter the download menu to install the software because it does not turn up in the Wii U menu as one of those nice gift packages you are used to from the 3DS. And that is even more puzzling.
Download times have always been a pain with Nintendo but I am just astonished that they cannot put up better server or better downloads or AT THE LEAST add a more charming download screen like the ones from the 3DS.
And I could name more stuff that should be self understanding nowadays but Nintendo simply ignores.
PdotMichael
Banned
Well, it will help that the most games for PS4 and Microsoft's new console will not run on the current gen consoles.
On the 360 and PS3 you have to go to other parts in their Home Menus to check Friends online (starting with a number til you open the Friends tab) and check downloads. Why is it an issue when Nintendo does it
Almost forgot about all those game announcements! Really weird that the huge 3rd party support from back then has not materialized, nobody saw that coming.
my main concern is that we pretty much know what their big games are. Nothing out of the ordinary will be announced. They might be awesome games but nothing truly shocking. They need new ips.
On the PS3, you press the PS button, scroll to the right and see all your friends in less then 5 seconds. No need to open up another app like on the Wii U. Same for downloads.
They also have a lot of old IPs they could revive anytime, like they did with Kid Icarus. Even their classic franchises show no sign of fatigue, except NSMB, so I don't think they absolutely need something new. This doesn't mean that in the end they'll come out on top, but they're the ones that are more likely to survive even the worst case scenario.
Remember the first time Wii U revealed...and people were confused if its a Wii add on or not. That didn't happen with the PS4, and will not happen with the Nextbox.
You'd think Wii U was Nintendo's first product, so many missteps.
The slow OS, slightly more powerful than 7 year old consoles, lazy launch games...you can draw blocks on the screen in the same/new Mario game, very exciting. I can't help imagine in an alternate universe if NSMBU was on a Sony or MS console...they at least would've added coop online play.
The whole Wii U project seems like Nintendo has no interest in it.
You'd think Wii U was Nintendo's first product, so many missteps.
The slow OS, slightly more powerful than 7 year old consoles, lazy launch games...you can draw blocks on the screen in the same/new Mario game, very exciting. I can't help imagine in an alternate universe if NSMBU was on a Sony or MS console...they at least would've added coop online play.
The whole Wii U project seems like Nintendo has no interest in it.
People say the Wii U's OS is slow. I timed it and the 360 takes longer to boot up and even longer to get to your actual games. Surprising but true
Co-op online play isn't really feasible with Mario. If the characters couldn't interact with eachother, then absolutely. However, that's not Nintendo's intent. As such, there would be horrible latency issues just due to the speed of light, let alone any connection ping.
GiantBreadbug
Member
According to the all-powerful stock market, Nintendo is in better shape.
In real life, everyone is exactly where they were before.
In real life, everyone is exactly where they were before.
The download speeds have to be fixed. Its criminal how long it takes to download a demo/game!!
The (supposedly) snappy OS and the sleep function of the PS4 are really appealing to me. If it is as quick as they tout then I know which system I'll be picking for multiplat, regardless of graphics.
Also I'm curious to see how all this social stuff will be integrated into PS4. Cross-game chat, spectating my friend's games, and easily saving videos of my great feats are all far more appealing to me than anything miiverse has shown.
I do like my Wii U, but since I very rarely have friends over to my house to play games, most of my gaming with friends is online. It looks like the PS4 will be a lot more enjoyable in that social aspect.
Also I'm curious to see how all this social stuff will be integrated into PS4. Cross-game chat, spectating my friend's games, and easily saving videos of my great feats are all far more appealing to me than anything miiverse has shown.
I do like my Wii U, but since I very rarely have friends over to my house to play games, most of my gaming with friends is online. It looks like the PS4 will be a lot more enjoyable in that social aspect.
Not surprising to me. Whenever I boot up my 360 it sits on an empty spinning icon screen for at least 30 seconds. It's infuriating actually. If I am using bandwidth for something else it takes even longer.
I downloaded the MonHun demo in like 6 minutes. Maybe you have a bad wireless connection?
Trevelyan9999
Banned
I agree, it took me about 15 minutes total to download both demos for Monster Hunter 3 and Trine 2. I never had a problem. Maybe some people are just unlucky and hitting busy server times?
Diddy Kong
Banned
Well we still don't know what Retro's game is and we know Miyamoto has been working on a new IP that should hopefully be shown at e3. There's also the possibility of more crossover type games. The inevitable Nintendo x Capcom maybe?
I'm currently deployed and the only Wii U thing I've touched is the case for FIFA (great job AAFES, stock a game for a system you're not going to carry, but this is the same place that stocks Vitas and 3DS with no games).
However, I do have a Wii U waiting for me when I get home and I'm going to treat my Wii U just like I did my Wii and my Gamecube, it's my Nintendo machine (and the occasional 3rd party exclusive title).
However, I do have a Wii U waiting for me when I get home and I'm going to treat my Wii U just like I did my Wii and my Gamecube, it's my Nintendo machine (and the occasional 3rd party exclusive title).
Though not as technically advanced, Wonderful 101 is arguably visually more appealing than Knack. Same with Zelda Wind Waker, it will likely be one of the top 3 looking games this year, no matter how technically inferior it will be to PS4 productions.
Wii U demo kiosks will turn heads in H2 this year, so price will be the major factor. Just like Sony will lose big money on each PS4 sold, Nintendo must sacrifice profits and slash Wii U's price to gain market shares. And offer an ambassador program
Wii U demo kiosks will turn heads in H2 this year, so price will be the major factor. Just like Sony will lose big money on each PS4 sold, Nintendo must sacrifice profits and slash Wii U's price to gain market shares. And offer an ambassador program
Though not as technically advanced, Wonderful 101 is arguably visually more appealing than Knack. Same with Zelda Wind Waker, it will likely be one of the top 3 looking games this year, no matter how technically inferior it will be to PS4 productions.
Wii U demo kiosks will turn heads in H2 this year. So price will be the major factor. Just like Sony will lose big money on each PS4 sold, Nintendo must sacrifice profits and slash Wii U's price to gain market shares. And offer an ambassador program
I agree with Wonderful 101. But then, I find Knack very unappealing. Wind Waker depends on what they do with the style. I wasn't impressed with what they showed in the Nintendo Direct, but if they get close enough to the original style it'll be among the most beautiful games ever made.
then again they need the 3rd party support stay afloat.
megabytecr
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For the PS4 personally all the features are WIP so until I see the launch units performing as advertised and having ALL what was announced working I will believe it.
I don't have much time to game so personally the time I spent with a console is playing. The video recording feature is really nice though, but until I see everything working I am sceptic.
Regarding the Wii U I think Nintendo's problems are there own, so I still think they are in a good shape.
Remember a lot of people pick either PS4 or Xbox and Nintendo has always been a great companion console, I see the Wii U again filling that void when more games are released.
I don't have much time to game so personally the time I spent with a console is playing. The video recording feature is really nice though, but until I see everything working I am sceptic.
Regarding the Wii U I think Nintendo's problems are there own, so I still think they are in a good shape.
Remember a lot of people pick either PS4 or Xbox and Nintendo has always been a great companion console, I see the Wii U again filling that void when more games are released.
Such faith! Where does it come from? I'm willing to watch as this next-generation unfolds, but mistakes will be made. Nintendo does indeed know what they want for themselves, it's a shame third parties don't feel the same way.
Calamari41
41 > 38
Every. Those two IPs are more popular than every Sony game combined.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
They need to keep Wind Wakerr exactly as it is but just up res the non-toon shaded textures and geometry. Keep the characters as they are. Those screens they released sucked all the life out of the style.
Oddly, the style of WW is such that additional polygon and texture detail seems to have little to no beneficial affect on the animated portions.
by saying this the way you said it, you're opening up the door for unnecessary mud slinging.
The PS4 reveal has made me happier about the Wii U. I didn't like streaming games the first time around, still sounds like used games will be blocked ( this should cleaner later this year) , don't need another device for off TV play, the DS4 and cam are meh, and since I can hit the home button at time and do whatever while the game sits there the sleep function means nothing to me. I knew the PS4 will be more powerful , but the games to me looked like more of the same and nothing I had interest in was exclusive. I'll wait and see how it all comes together , but other than the 8 gigs nothing really made go wow.
H_Prestige
Banned
Same. Sony didn't do anything mind blowing but wii u is already dead so it doesn't matter
The only reason why I think Nintendo is in a better position than they were before is because of E3. Originally I thought Nintendo was going to be a complete non factor at this year's E3, being completely forgotten thanks to the announcement of 2 new consoles. However now that the PS4 was announced, everyone can now more or less expect what to see from Microsoft and Nintendo's E3 presence is now relevant again. They need to take full advantage and just go nuts with game announcements. Like Wii U direct times 10.
klapauzius
Banned
I think the PS4 conferenced proofed that there is no "magic" in PS4. It is a PS3 with better graphics, but the graphical difference to the PS3 is not very large, the difference to Wii U is even smaller. There was not the slightest surprise in the whole event. (Blizzard on stage was a surprise ... but Diablo3 was a let down).
And none of the PS4 games appealed to me. Shooter and Racer? Watch Dogs looks a bit interesting but you can get this game for every console.
On the other hand, I was skeptical about the Wii U Gamepad and now I love it! Its so much better to have all HUD-Elements on the Gamepad and have the TV free of these things, or make coop-play with TV and Gamepad.
My most awaited games for 2013 are almost all for Wii U: "X", Wonderful 101, Wind Waker, Pikmin 3, The Last of Us, 3D-Mario, Lego City and GTAV.
And none of the PS4 games appealed to me. Shooter and Racer? Watch Dogs looks a bit interesting but you can get this game for every console.
On the other hand, I was skeptical about the Wii U Gamepad and now I love it! Its so much better to have all HUD-Elements on the Gamepad and have the TV free of these things, or make coop-play with TV and Gamepad.
My most awaited games for 2013 are almost all for Wii U: "X", Wonderful 101, Wind Waker, Pikmin 3, The Last of Us, 3D-Mario, Lego City and GTAV.
That's the most frustrating thing about this. This is an extremely easily fixable problem. It can be done in 30 second ads, posters in stores, etc. They have the money to do it as well and it really wouldn't cost much in the grand scheme of things. Why are they not doing it is is the big and confusing question.
Yeah that is why I don't get why Sony wanted to reveal the PS4 now instead of wait. All E3 will be now is showing how the console looks,maybe a surprise game or two and hands on time. Meanwhile the Nextbox is going to be riding a much fresher hype train.
Third parties what one thing, cross-platform standards. It costs them less time, money, energy to port which is necessary to see return on super high budgets. They won't use the interesting features of any next-gen console unless it's an easy tack-on. I'm actually a little convinced this carpet-bomb porting strategy is going to lead to worse games that don't take advantage of the platforms they are on and less innovation as a result.
Are you all listening to what your saying though?
WiiU is supposed to be a NEXT GEN console. Yet here they are struggling to put together an operating system that in places can't even match the speed, ease of use and functionality of systems that are 7 years old. From a prior generation.
The fact that there is even a comparison is troubling. Especially when in 12 months wiiU will be competing with systems that will presumably have near instant access to games and blazing fast OS's. sure they might boot slightly faster then a 7 YEAR OLD system, but isn't that kind of pathetic? They should be running circles around them, not going tit for tat.
WiiU is setting themselves up to look like 56k versus high speed in the OS department if they don't get their act together. That's what should be really troubling you about this topic.
I would feel a lot better about my WiiU if it acted like a device that was using flash storage. Why on earth is it so slooooow? My Windows 8 machine on an SSD boots from cold in under 7 seconds. WiiU takes about 30 seconds to do anything, let alone launch a game.
In an age where instant-on devices like Android tablets and iphones have consumers expecting immediacy from their devices, the WiiU and gamepad feel dated. Not to mention the fact that they actually think people would use the WiiTvii feature? Even when it works...its too friggin' slow!! I would have to wait 30 seconds for the home screen, another 20 to launch the TVii app, 20 seconds to navigate - thats nearing 2 minutes before I can actually start changing channels and using it. Why on earth would I use this thing? My logitech universal remote works right away.
Anyways, maybe my honeymoon period is coming to an end with this device. I've had fun with ZombiU, and NintendoLand is a hit when you have people over, but aside from that - this system is a serious step behind right now if they don't fix the user experience aspects.
In an age where instant-on devices like Android tablets and iphones have consumers expecting immediacy from their devices, the WiiU and gamepad feel dated. Not to mention the fact that they actually think people would use the WiiTvii feature? Even when it works...its too friggin' slow!! I would have to wait 30 seconds for the home screen, another 20 to launch the TVii app, 20 seconds to navigate - thats nearing 2 minutes before I can actually start changing channels and using it. Why on earth would I use this thing? My logitech universal remote works right away.
Anyways, maybe my honeymoon period is coming to an end with this device. I've had fun with ZombiU, and NintendoLand is a hit when you have people over, but aside from that - this system is a serious step behind right now if they don't fix the user experience aspects.
MadOdorMachine
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When watching the PS4 reveal I was shocked how much the roles of Sony and Nintendo have changed. Nintendo used to be all about having the lowest load times possible. Boy has that been reversed now. That 8GB of GDDR5 will also surely mean little to no loading in game as well.
This to me shows just how much the mentality has changed at Nintendo.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Personally as long as the games load fine I couldnt care less about the OS. It would be cool if the OS is better but its really not a deal breaker. All of the extra online/OS Sony talked about sounded awesome, but most of the games they showed looked like the same boring games we are getting now so I'm not sold yet.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Blame the hackers. Nintendo is obviously reinitializing much of the OS each time you switch an app as to prevent hackers access to the root of the machine.
RPGCrazied
Member
Well, I'll just say wait until E3. If they bomb at E3, then it couldn't bode well for them. Right now they should be worried, but lets just see what other software we can expect for the end of this year an early next.
I'm pretty sure a number of Sony studios still haven't shown their work. Which means plenty of potential new reveals at E3.
I'm also pretty sure microsofts announcement will come before E3.
Not to mention Microsoft has the real problem of lacking first party developers. I'd bet that a majority of Microsoft game reveals will be either associated with next gen kinect or will be third party. Meaning Sony will be getting them too.
My real concern for Nintendo is how they will be able to manage this transition to HD development. Will they actually have the big gun franchises ready to roll in time for ps4 and 720's launch? Nintendo has always taken their time with their franchises, but have all their teams properly transitioned and adapted to mitigate the added time it takes to make HD games with modem techniques so we aren't looking at even longer periods of drought for Nintendo franchises then previous gens? It'll be great if they show smash brothers, mario kart, Zelda, metroid and Mario galaxy 3 at E3. But it will be all for nothing if they can't get most of them out by the holidays.
To the casual consumer, the PS4 games will not look THAT much better. I guarantee it. In fact, when discussing gaming during the current gen with average folks I have never once heard anyone mention the difference between Wii and PS360 graphics. It's always about the games themselves or the controllers. Wii motes and Kinect. Nintendo's biggest problem right now is appealing to the mass market. The bigger badder hardware will always get the dude bros and the "hardcore" types. Is that enough to sustain them? I dont know. What Nintendo needs to keep bringing in are the average consumers that buy systems because they see a game or something they feel like they want in their homes. Not "ZOMG THEM GRAFFIX" types. But Nintendo is failing at that. Maybe if they did a better job making Joe Walmart feel like he's getting the fun new gaming system and a tablet instead of convoluted commercials that make him think Wii has a new controller.
Console launches are never marked by droughts and uncompelling software.
Chris23235
Banned
No, Windows 8 isn't shutting your computer down, regulary it goes into hibernation state, that's the only way to achieve such boot times. Besides, any SSD is much faster, then flash memory that is build into a console, regardless if it's a Wii, 360 or PS3.
... because there is nothing before holiday's that could bring hype for the WiiU? (E3?)