Yeah that's a load of bullshit, but ok.
CoD has almost ruined a generation of shooter players - Tripwire
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Yeah that's a load of bullshit, but ok.
out0v0rder
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i hate unlocks and xp bars.
i have a job. argh.
fucking gamers.
i have a job. argh.
fucking gamers.
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
I see CoD, TF2, L4D2, Counterstrike, Planetside 2, and even Arma in the top few games that have high populations and are all very different styles of FPS, to name just a few. The doom spreaders about the FPS market are so far off base it is almost hilarious.
You cannot be serious.
Lysander91
Banned
Why do people think that games like Halo and CoD require no skill? If you want to be a top player they require just as much skill as any other shooter.
lol
captmorgan
Banned
Why is COD getting the blame for other company's making shitty me too games?
Its the oddest fucking thing, people yelling at COD "its you fault nobody else can make a better game than you!!!!!"
Why not blame the company's making shitty COD copying games?
Its the oddest fucking thing, people yelling at COD "its you fault nobody else can make a better game than you!!!!!"
Why not blame the company's making shitty COD copying games?
I'm really interested to see what happens with CoD next gen. There are a lot of FPS developers out there that are more capable of capturing the 'next gen' FPS experience than Call of Duty, in my opinion. Of course CoD has the name going for it, but so does Halo, and look at its decline since Halo 3. (in terms of popularity/king of games)
Halo popularized a control scheme, regenerating health, the two-weapon limit, a rather useful radar, and powerful melee. The really vile stuff like FAST regenerating health, ridiculously low time to kill, BLOODY SCREEN SO REAL, emphasis on ironsights, killstreaks, XP unlocks, removal of weapons from the map, and map design that manages to be both camper-friendly and a chaotic clusterfuck... Those gained a lot of popularity due to CoD.
captmorgan
Banned
I believe it was wolfenstein that ruined shooters, fucking mecha Hitler.
You're right, Call of Duty actually pulls it off well, the problem is that the other games who try to copy it often screw it up and make it a grindfest until you get to the "good stuff". Also is playing one game like Call of Duty already incredible time consuming. And now you have the developers of every game expecting that you want to put 20+ hours into their MP. It's ridiculous.
CountAntonius
Member
Nobody mentions the fact that many of these people started with CoD4? It's like MMO players who started with WoW. Give them time. Maybe next gen they start looking for something with more depth. This was basically their first bike with training wheels.
Mechanized
Member
Thank you for expressing my thoughts rationally.
Doom clearly ruined shooters for everyone. /sarcasm
But seriously, I see what these RO guys are saying and all I'm hearing is "I wish we did that first"
NobleGundam
Banned
Just Lock this thread plz...
FPS war going on in here.
FPS war going on in here.
endresults
Member
The games have always been grenade spam-fests on small maps and vehicle spawn-camping and snipers on large maps. I don't know what game you were playing.
Seriously, more 'splosions than Bomberman. Fact.
CoD is one of the few games where I can stand the twin stick controls. Saying that the control system is dumbed down is ridiculous: CS is very much the same, perhaps even worse since you got pinpoint aiming devices called the mouse, save for the fact that you got to do some recoil management.
It's certainly starting to wear thin, but there's reasons it's successful. The biggest fault IMO is its almost complete lack of community features, but that's just as much a XBL/PSN problem as it is a CoD problem.
It's certainly starting to wear thin, but there's reasons it's successful. The biggest fault IMO is its almost complete lack of community features, but that's just as much a XBL/PSN problem as it is a CoD problem.
RO2 had the best "man shooting" experience in this generation. When you hammered someone and they dropped, it was an awesome feeling because it was all about you putting a bullet in a dude. No perks, no obnoxious hypevelocity bunny hopping hipspray crap, just you puttin' bullets in people. We would all be a lot better off if RO2 had the players base CoD has.
Were you playing Halo 4 or Reach?
Yeah. That's what I hate most about other shooters nowdays. They rip off the leveling system without even paying attention to how Call of Duty's works.
Black Ops 2 was free a few weekends ago on Steam, and I jumped in with the default guns and easily dominated because the game is actually designed pretty well.
Say what you want about Call of Duty, but Activision has a method to the madness. Unlike virtually every game that rips off it.
You only get two grenades. If you tossed grenades free willy, you would very quickly lose because your opponent knows you just wasted all your Grenades and they can push you, and this is true even of Halo 4.
MaverickHunterX
Member
They were ruined from Halo already.
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I see your point, but I don't think Halo had that kinda effect. For example, people didn't see Doom 3 and say, not Halo-y enough. You see that shit all the time these days.
Vehicle spawn camping? Didn't Battlefield "invent" that?
Are you drunk? You literally did not see any competive Halo gameplay then and you have to be a fucking pro if you think it takes no skill.
CoD didn't ruin anything. It's just the evolution of FPS. I started out playing competitively with Quake and Unreal. As graphics got better, people still want the fast action pacing, but also wanted the now possible realistic modern graphics. Add in some "RPG lvling element", long term success was a given. The time of bald space marine at the top are over, and anyone still hoping for their return, are living in the past.
People have gotten lazier because of COD though. They tend to quit faster these days when they aren't dragged along by a carrot on a stick. I notice that a lot of people don't like the punishment that comes with losing anymore and just quit because of it.
People used to be motivated in multiplayer shooters by actually becoming better.
People used to be motivated in multiplayer shooters by actually becoming better.
Any game with a competitive community definitely has a "metagame."
The genre has tons of thriving communities. There's just a big dropoff from the top dogs to the rest which makes it not seem that way. Gears of War, Battlefield, Call of Duty, Halo, Counter-Strike, TF, and Quake Live are all fairly popular and that's just off the top of my head.
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Have a Nice Day
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DICE had the most hideous ideas. you actually need to "level up" with a jet to use flares and heat seekers ...
No see back then PC gamers still saw FPS on consoles as complete shit and in reality they were. If you play Goldeneye now thats pretty much how it felt for a PC gamer back then. It was slow and clumsy.. theres a reason it dated awful and stuff like Quake didnt.
Halo was the point when many people including some PC gamers started to accept fps on console and it didnt feel like absolute garbage. But in the end its still pretty bad because to make fps work on consoles it meant the game had to be slow and rely heavily on auto aim. The controllers are still just not meant for accuracy, mobility and speed that work on M/KB. Which is why we don't see many arena shooters like Quake 3 and Unreal Anymore. They just dont work well on a controller. Nor does any skilled based tactical shooters that rely heavily on accuracy. Controller sadly mostly killed these games off :/. The mass audience sucks sometimes.
...first it was people who ruined Halo and now you're just going to claim that every time you're going to be killed by a grenade? You either played a completely different or you simply couldn't dodge a grenade.
Poetic.Injustice
Member
COD has become the de facto shooter of sorts to which all shooters will be compared. People have become so used to the movement and stuff and in COD that other games have no choice but to follow suit else they'll face criticisms of being slow etc.
Lysander91
Banned
No, we wouldn't. Have you ever thought that people DON'T LIKE RO2? I know that I don't. A slow paced, ultra-realistic, and difficult to get into FPS isn't fun to me. You might be better off, but we all wouldn't be.
endresults
Member
That means nothing, really. It takes skill to be a MLG elite pro gamer xtreme in CoD, as well.
Halo was the original for-the-masses shooter that took nothing more than the ability to tap the L or R triggers to snag some kills every match. Quake, Doom, etc. were like that too, but the Halo series brought it right into Joe Sixpack's home.
It's not about HALO SUX, it's about what the series meant for FPS'.
Health/shield regen is probably the shittiest thing Halo popularized. The aim-assist from Halo 2 was god-awful as well... felt like I had aim hacks constantly.
dummydecoy
Member
Hardcore Team Deathmatch mode is where it's at.
No hud, no radar, one shot one kill. Only mode where idiots running around with Akimbo weapons get destroyed.
No hud, no radar, one shot one kill. Only mode where idiots running around with Akimbo weapons get destroyed.
thesolidshark
Member
Honest question. Is it CoD's fault that people got used to that style of MP, or is it the other FPS makers who copied them? I don't blame them for taking cues, but I want to blame a lot for not branching out with their own ideas and not trying to make clones.
So then what's the point of a shooter? Your logic is quite hard to understand. It's as if you're saying Halo ruined shooters because it popularized shooters.
This is untrue.
Halo's difficulty came from its unparalleled artificial intelligence, there is no way in fuck that a health regen system is going to save you from a Covenant Zealot if it's coming for you. I far prefer Bungie's method to a system where the developer is incapable of making intelligent AI (Valve) and so instead to rely on fake difficulty through skimping on health packs instead.
The Librarian
Banned
How is that Halo 2's fault?
THIS.THIS SO FRICKING MUCH.
I can't believe CoD influence and fan base pressured GG into changing all of the good things of killzone 2. Killzone 3 completely backfired.
Lysander91
Banned
If you describe a game like that of course it sounds noncompetitive. All you have to do in Street Fighter is tap the P and K buttons and snag yourself a KO every round. STREET FIGHTER RUINED FIGHTING GAMES!!111!1!!!!!11!!
Poimandres
Member
Halo hate in here is misplaced.
- Grenade physics in Halo games are awesome
- Getting kills against skilled players requires headshots
- Working as a lone wolf will get you killed fast
The downside is the generally sluggish movement speed... but then COD went and sped everything back up again. I don't really see how Halo "ruined" FPS games, unless you are blatantly opposed to 2 weapon limits. But Counterstike had already set that ball in motion, and no one is going to claim it "ruined" anything...
- Grenade physics in Halo games are awesome
- Getting kills against skilled players requires headshots
- Working as a lone wolf will get you killed fast
The downside is the generally sluggish movement speed... but then COD went and sped everything back up again. I don't really see how Halo "ruined" FPS games, unless you are blatantly opposed to 2 weapon limits. But Counterstike had already set that ball in motion, and no one is going to claim it "ruined" anything...