With the paranoia your showing mate your best getting of the internet else don't use any kind of search engine, any website with ads etc
VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)
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With the paranoia your showing mate your best getting of the internet else don't use any kind of search engine, any website with ads etc
What that MS will reveal the console and then we will actually have facts to talk about, is that what your bolding
PlayerReady
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When and where did "Sony already said publishers can block used games on ps4 but sony won't use it for their exclusives"?
I haven't read this anywhere! just curious
so they will show the console in a month..? what..?
Alx
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There were big rumors about an April 26th event. Nothing confirmed, and things can always change anyway.
It'll either be April or May if they want a pre-E3 event.
akachan ningen
Member
well, realize that people are not cool with the "must be connected online" portion more than any other feature listed here. "always on" is not a big deal in comparison.
Well, I work in online marketing and product development, so I perfectly know how much profiling and targeting goes on. Still, I don't see why it would be absurd if people wouldn't like the idea of a camera always "watching" and using data for marketing purpose. MS got a patent for that; it could happen. Why is it crazy to not like that?
Mr.Wreckless
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You're right i dont know for a fact the reveal is happening in April. But if the event isnt in April i will still wait until whenever they decide to announce the thing before i start posting rants and complaints about its features. MS has stated they want to have their own event before E3 so its either April or May, i can wait either way. People are already talking about MS has lost their business and they are firmly in the PS4 camp based on a PS4 reveal that gave out little information on its features and services and the rumors of the MS system. Thats crazy, especially when the people on this site are supposed to be the knowledgeable gamers.
specialguy
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another important thing people are completely glossing over in the drm clashing: the controller features improved ergonomics? hmmm....thats a big thing...
the bolded is never stated anywhere.
dragonelite
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They said something like "It's to the publishers, but we wont use it"
Ninja Moomin
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I work in marketing and believe me, he's right.... not paranoid at all.
Companies will always seek to limit practices in the favour of their business model.
Just ask yourself, if it were your money and job on the line and your boss was asking you how you were going to make another $20m profit from the Xbox live userbase.... what would you do?
Don't kid yourself that being warm and cuddly and inclusive and 'doing the right thing' would win they day. It wouldn't.
Its not crazy to not like it, but just because Microsoft has a patent for it doesn't mean that you are or have to use it. You patent any idea you have even if you are never going to use it, so in case someone else does you can get money of them
I'm not saying their cuddly or warm, but attacking something that has not happened, and not considering that the competition might want to do the same is disingenious
Alx
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It's not about "doing the right thing", but "not doing the wrong thing because it would backfire".
In a competitive business, you don't want to make the consumer an enemy, but rather try to offer something where his benefits will outweigh the costs.
That's why in the "no used games" scenario, MS will only do it if everybody else is doing it too, or if it brings benefits to the consumer that others won't have (exclusives ? reduced costs ?).
Same thing for the "pay movies per user" one : assuming there will always be competitors with a "pay per movie" model, there must be a catch to make the consumer want to change his model (lower price, earlier availability, ...).
Hmm.. I must have missed that statement..? any links.. ? I only remember that CVG rumor about the 26th. of april.
The built hard drive in the original xbox meaning not having to buy memory cards to save games, was that bad for consumers
specialguy
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and here i thought i enjoyed my 360.
BruiserBear
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Comparing the original Xbox to the Xbox strategies of 2013 is hilariously naive.
Did the original Xbox have ads plastered all over it's dashboard?
swordsman720
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-Install games to HDD is mandatory, so MS should give us atleast 2TB storage and lower than that is not acceptable.
-After the game on HDD has been validated (online check for genuine), MS should give the people a option to play it off-line incase your internet profider fucks up one in the while.
-After the game on HDD has been validated (online check for genuine), MS should give the people a option to play it off-line incase your internet profider fucks up one in the while.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Gemüsepizza
Member
Maybe that's why Kinect has to be connected, biometric DRM. ^^
Show me where I done this. My reply was to the fact that Microsoft has never shown anything good for the consumer. Seriously guys brush up on your comprehension or are ye letting the fanboy getting the better of ye and posting anything now
CaptainFalafel
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eso76
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don't know, i was thinking of the worst case scenario where the kinect has to be plugged in and has to do a facial recognition of its "owner", like it would with fingerprints, so that everything you've bought (games, apps, stuff on the marketplace) is linked not just to your account - that you could maybe lend to your friends with your access credentials - but to *you*.
No used games, no lending games to friends.
On the bright side, you could access your profile and all the content you've bought from anywhere.
On the even brighter side, like i said in an old thread, everyone could be wearing the same mask, so that the entire library is shared across all xbox owners on the planet
Except, with online being mandatory, Microsoft could get a little suspicious when the same user goes online from 2million different units simultaneously
of course this would never work, but the rest is not too far fetched i think.
swordsman720
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That is what I think, games only playable from Harddisk=>so i assume that there is some kind of check by MS.
Alx
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Mr.Wreckless
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Including a headset free with every 360 so everyone could communicate was bad for consumers?
Built in Ethernet port in the original Xbox was bad for consumers?
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
I don't think 720 will require online,unless this check is for online mode,and normally 720 itself should already have verify check
True - those things were done by a company with a vision, which is to see their userbase online and playing together.
Of course, this was also done with the intention of selling them things so it isn't entirely altruistic. However, Microsoft really did show the rest if the industry how to seamlessly let people play together with a minimum of heartburn. This is something that Sony is still figuring out, and Nintendo continues to be off in the weeds on.
As somebody who has been playing PC games online since 1985, I can honestly say MS deserves every penny they make off Xbox Live. Personally, I look forward to the next Xbox, and really don't understand the crying. If you guys don't like your console connected to the Internet or mandatory installs, Nintendo has the perfect system for your needs to prevent The Man from keeping you down.
shinra-bansho
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Sorry, but one would have to be rather blind, deliberately or otherwise, to not see the parallels between this information and the information in EDGE's article.
Whoa, I've not been to the forum yesterday and today I see this with 30+ pages already! But I fail to see what's so shocking there:
- always on / always on-line - the document doesn't say it is a requirement, but a feature of the system - if you want to access your games instantly, be able to load patches / system updates / games in the background then it's obvious that the low-power state is a necessity; also, Sony is doing exactly the same and I don't think MS would be so stupid as to require this for the Xbox to operate. I don't even think this would be legally possible, because if you'd not be able to use the box without the Internet, MS would have to ensure you have the ability to access it. This means that you must be able to use the console in at least a limited capacity, i.e. play games, movies and music CDs, while everything else is a 'bonus' if you decide to stay connected (and probably pay for Live, etc.),
- games have to be fully installed - again, this makes a lot of sense since Xbox is expected to be a center of the living room so you don't want it to make a lot of noise and generate heat that'd have to be dissipated using bigger (i.e. noisier) fan inside the box. Also it helps reduce load times and texture pop-ins so common in current gen. Furthermore, sadly, this gives MS opportunity to sell - most likely custom - HDDs in the future, because you'll be quickly full if you don't manage stuff properly. Lastly, it will encourage people to move to digital downloads, because - outside of hardcore collectors - why would you buy a physical disc if you only get to use it once? Of course there's risk of them implementing some fishy DRM based on this, but I think they'd only go as far as requiring you to put the disc in for validation, so that your friends couldn't install the game on their Xboxes using your disc - if that's the case, then it is fair. That also mean used games would work just as they do now.
- Kinect bundled & required to be on - if we are to believe the rumors Xbox will be very "interactive", allowing to do a lot of stuff just by you talking to it or waving your hands in front of it, so that makes sense. But hopefully you'll be able to operate it using the controller as well and if that's the case (and I can't imagine it wouldn't be - what about when Kinect breaks? or user is disabled and can't speak or wave hands?) then what's the problem?
All in all I'm really surprised at the reaction. All of this was already rumored and discussed countless of times and unless MS decides to do some stupid moves (e.g. would require always on / on-line rather than encourage, would somehow prohibit used games, would force you to use Kinect as the only means for controlling the Xbox, etc.) I can't see those things being a deal breaker. Not that I plan buying it, anyway
- always on / always on-line - the document doesn't say it is a requirement, but a feature of the system - if you want to access your games instantly, be able to load patches / system updates / games in the background then it's obvious that the low-power state is a necessity; also, Sony is doing exactly the same and I don't think MS would be so stupid as to require this for the Xbox to operate. I don't even think this would be legally possible, because if you'd not be able to use the box without the Internet, MS would have to ensure you have the ability to access it. This means that you must be able to use the console in at least a limited capacity, i.e. play games, movies and music CDs, while everything else is a 'bonus' if you decide to stay connected (and probably pay for Live, etc.),
- games have to be fully installed - again, this makes a lot of sense since Xbox is expected to be a center of the living room so you don't want it to make a lot of noise and generate heat that'd have to be dissipated using bigger (i.e. noisier) fan inside the box. Also it helps reduce load times and texture pop-ins so common in current gen. Furthermore, sadly, this gives MS opportunity to sell - most likely custom - HDDs in the future, because you'll be quickly full if you don't manage stuff properly. Lastly, it will encourage people to move to digital downloads, because - outside of hardcore collectors - why would you buy a physical disc if you only get to use it once? Of course there's risk of them implementing some fishy DRM based on this, but I think they'd only go as far as requiring you to put the disc in for validation, so that your friends couldn't install the game on their Xboxes using your disc - if that's the case, then it is fair. That also mean used games would work just as they do now.
- Kinect bundled & required to be on - if we are to believe the rumors Xbox will be very "interactive", allowing to do a lot of stuff just by you talking to it or waving your hands in front of it, so that makes sense. But hopefully you'll be able to operate it using the controller as well and if that's the case (and I can't imagine it wouldn't be - what about when Kinect breaks? or user is disabled and can't speak or wave hands?) then what's the problem?
All in all I'm really surprised at the reaction. All of this was already rumored and discussed countless of times and unless MS decides to do some stupid moves (e.g. would require always on / on-line rather than encourage, would somehow prohibit used games, would force you to use Kinect as the only means for controlling the Xbox, etc.) I can't see those things being a deal breaker. Not that I plan buying it, anyway
Grinchy
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Including a headset is nothing when the majority of the people who buy the system will have to shell out cash for the online tard tax. In fact, including a headset is just another way of pushing the online tard tax.
And that's true that they built in an ethernet port. Holy shit. Someone give this company a consumer satisfaction award.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Not really,the XDK not even mentioned required online and block used games,they even explain what that means.
Or EDGE>MS about 720's credibility?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=50814879&postcount=1675
I know you WANT that happen though
Lol, attach rate of 360 is what, 15 games? 15 x 8 GB = 120 GB In a best case scenario you get 500 GB, anything above makes no sense.
Well, Xbox1 and the first 5 years of X360 were awesome.
I agree with this completely.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Even if these rumours are correct, I can still see the NextBox outselling PS4 in the US and UK markets.
Look at the new Sim City - clearly the worst in the series with despicable DRM problems, but record sales for the series.
Look at the new Sim City - clearly the worst in the series with despicable DRM problems, but record sales for the series.
I doubt now. Really doubt.