one of them is from a different dimension. we don't know what happened to Booker before the start of the game. could be one of many that already tried to stop Comstock before.
tears from random futures.
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one of them is from a different dimension. we don't know what happened to Booker before the start of the game. could be one of many that already tried to stop Comstock before.
tears from random futures.
So
Booker Prime (the Booker before the baptism choice) becomes Booker the player character who doesn't get baptized and Comstock who is baptized in two different dimensions.
Booker the player character has Elizabeth, then gives her to Comstock who is able to get her with the help of the Luteces.
Later the Luteces help Booker the player character to get his daughter back from Comstock, thus they end up in the same dimension, Comstock's.
Oh, what was the song that played when Elizabeth opened the tear to Paris? It's been bugging me for a while now.
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The Lutetece's toss him into the dimension where he is Comstock, and he forgets who he was there, since as it states at the start of the game, the mind is prone to making up memories when it goes between dimensions. So Booker makes up the idea that he needed to go get Elizabeth to pay off a debt.
wish there were more. i only found two.
Gareth Bale
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So how exactly did Booker lose his memories, and why did he not realise that he'd jumped forward in time when he entered the Comstock universe?
15. Also I was just thinking about it and I don't recall completing a single side quest.
I actually started referring to Elizabeth as Time Child as soon as I saw that baby go through the tear.
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The Everyman
i paced around a lot, yet i still missed a butt load of voxophones, or all the good ones at least.
His mind "made up" memories to fit the universe, there's a quote at the beginning of the game that hints at it.
He was pulled into a multiverse where he already existed, I guess?
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The Everyman
universe jumping messes with your mind, he had to create new memories to assimilate, his old memories never happened in that universe.
That makes sense.
This whole story reminds me of the movie Looper -
Like Bruce Willis/JGL's character, the only way to prevent the "dark" storyline from occurring is to remove yourself from the equation. In Looper that was a choice made by the character, but in Infinite it was made by Anna/Elizabeth.
Finished my 2nd playthrough, still one thing alludes me.
The first ever Comstock, in all universes, was created after the baptism.
But all of those happened because the baby was taken.
But if this is the first Comstock, who took the baby?
It's the chicken and egg all over again!
The first ever Comstock, in all universes, was created after the baptism.
But all of those happened because the baby was taken.
But if this is the first Comstock, who took the baby?
It's the chicken and egg all over again!
Gareth Bale
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Yeah I remember that. But then why didn't he lose his memories when he went through the tears with Elizabeth?
Tummi Gummi
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That's not really going to fly as an excuse. The game is obviously trying to capture certain aspects of the period, and some people are falling all over themselves to praise the depiction of turn-of-the-century social conditions.
My suspicion is that the Luteces did something deliberately to force his mind to "readapt".
Nope, the Baptism began before he had the child.
Baptized Brooker = Never had the child, became infertile due to the "tear" machine.
Non-baptized Brooker = Had Anna, gave it to Baptized Brooker through the time hole.
No Comstock was created f Booker went through with the baptism after The Battle of Wounded Knee.
If he refused the Baptism, he stayed Booker and eventually had Elizabeth.
Voice of Reason
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How do I respond to a friend that is telling me that the fact there was no clear cut ending makes the game's ending bad? He's saying he shouldn't be detracted of a full ending of his story, just so some people can speculate on the story by playing the game a second time.
I told him it's not a speculation, it's an explanation except the part post-credits.
I told him it's not a speculation, it's an explanation except the part post-credits.
The baptism happened because of the war not because of the baby. Comstock took the baby. After the baptism. There is no chicken and egg scenario here.
By the way, I'm going to throw in a recommedation for everyone that enjoyed this game to play Cryostasis. Many of the themes of time travelling and going through multiverses are similar.
Probably the best part about it is instead of audio logs, you get to actually experience the moments of other people's lives yourself by travelling into their final moments.
Probably the best part about it is instead of audio logs, you get to actually experience the moments of other people's lives yourself by travelling into their final moments.
No, Robert says during a couple Voxophones and even when they pull Booker through to their timeline that the mind creates its own narrative to fill the holes.
Booker happened to latch on to the most important phrase of his life, 'bring us the girl, wipe away the debt.'
The problem I have is the post credits scene, which throws me for a fucking loop and it probably bullshit anyways.
kinda interesting how the game kind of puts these two options to ptsd (or at least some form of trauma) as unsatisfactory. you have Booker who upon accepting a baptism becomes batshit crazy and Booker who upon refusing the baptism becomes a depressed dependent child trafficker
because Booker already exists in all of those other tears with Elizabeth. his memories are virtually the same, barring minute variables here and there. when booker is first traumatized is because he's brought into booker-comstock's reality where comstock lived a totally different life than booker, so booker has memory gaps that he never lived
But again - why doesn't it do this every time he goes through a tear?
This doesn't work as an explanation to me - Booker already exists in that dimension as Comstock. But if you're saying Comstock's life was different enough from Booker's that gaps had to be filled in, why isn't this the case when he enters a reality where he died a hero of the Vox?
The game itself is trying to make sense of it as such, which is probably dumb as all hell.
Tummi Gummi
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I wasn't wild about the ending even without the post-credits. It's all good on paper, but I just didn't find it to be a satisfying conclusion. :shrug:
Voice of Reason
Banned
That's the only part where speculation exists, and there's also good support where that's a Booker that never went to a baptism, and still had Anna.
Speculative endings are pretty good for films, short stories, or short indie games.
but yeah, they can suck when you spent 11-17 hours on it. I liked the ending though. It really isn't about you, but about the scientist who fucked up time and space so she/he could hang out with themselves and used Brooker to fix their meddling with time. You, your history, your daughter, Columbia, it's all just window dressing.
did he hate Inception also?
EliteArtist
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Booker makes the choice by saying he wants to stop Comstock at his birth. Then Elizabeth asks if that's what he really wants to do. To which Booker says yes. Elizabeth complies and that's that. There was an option for Booker. Of course, its a matter of perspective because Elizabeth could see all the universes, so she knew it was going to happen.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I also love that the whole marketing theme around Americana and patriotism was one big troll to the deeper themes and science of the plot, and they managed to tie it into the first BioShock without directly tethering the narratives together as sequential. They turned "BioShock" into more than one game, but a bigger thing.
simply because Booker's life wasn't extremely different; it's virtually the same. Booker uses the Vox as means to an end to try and save Elizabeth, who, in this universe, has been captured early on by Comstock. he still has the motivation of "get the girl and wipe away the debt."
however, Comstock and Booker are COMPLETELY different in terms of their ideology, and what paths they took through life. i'd even argue they're completely different people in everything but genetics.
to me, it makes sense that the less the change, the less stress it puts on the mind when one enters a tear.
how long did Infinite take to develop? guess we won't see another great game from Irrational for another few years.
Gareth Bale
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Their part in all of this is somewhat irritating. They are somehow at one with the force.
What happens in the universe where Booker doesn't accept his fate at the end?
also when the limit gets taken off of Elizabeth and she becomes this ridiculous deity
looks like comstock was the only one who wanted Elizabeth to be a r3al human being: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DSVDcw6iW8
looks like comstock was the only one who wanted Elizabeth to be a r3al human being: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DSVDcw6iW8
Voice of Reason
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EliteArtist
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The odd thing about that scene to me though is it exists in the black and grey area associated with whenever you die or get knocked out. Though I always viewed that area as a sort of limbo. So, he could just not be stuck in any sort of universe, but in limbo to be with Anna for eternity. That's how I viewed it. If any one has any evidence to the contrary let me know.
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