EC made a good point that Elizabeth somehow gained god-like powers. The ability to tear and see all possibilities at once. The multiple Elizabeths at the end made me think they all combined their powers and experiences to prevent Comstock from existing. Maybe after she faded away, the timeline rebooted for Booker before the insanity. Altho he probably remembers some of the experiences.
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XANDER CAGE
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I like your thoughts on A), but isn't the idea that the "space" you're in is between universes or whatever?
EDIT - actually I guess not, since you went through a door to get there. Hmm.
EatChildren
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Because Elizabeth is probably the embodiment of god, in a literal sense, and at full power is capable of transcending space, time, and mortality, while perceiving the entire multiverse and all of time in any single moment. In a story and lore ripe with men bound to mortality wishing to be god or worshipped as gods she is the only true god, and only momentarily. Long enough to become enlightened on all things, and make the decision to essentially break the multiverse and end the Booker timeline. It keeps looping over and over and they see themselves seeing themselves looping over and over forever and always, but she's god so she can do whatever the fuck she wants. And by using her godly powers to not just end but obliterate the Booker/Comstock continuum from ever existing, she also denies herself of ever achieving godliness in the first place. A closed loop, and an absolute death and return to nothingness for all involved.
Except the post credits thing makes a mess of that. Though you could interpret that as the only logical tangent timeline from Booker drowning. Elizabeth in all her godliness truly breaks the Columbia timeline. Booker drowns, and thus never becomes Comstock, and so Columbia is never created, and Elizabeth is never torn through worlds. But Booker who ran from the baptism is still a possibility. And since the Columbia timeline no longer exists, the Booker timeline is set anew. Columbia never exists, and Elizabeth never becomes god, because the timeline where Booker is baptised and survives has been smooshed.
EDIT: And the above means god never existed, and men will continue to worship imaginary constructs of god, and elevate themselves to their idea of god.
XANDER CAGE
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As the Luteces would say... it's more a question of when.
23. Although the first two hours mostly consisted of me fucking around with video settings.
I spent a lot of time taking in the setting. Trying to appreciate the artwork. It's a beautifully crafted game!
XANDER CAGE
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16 hours, and I'm missing at least 20 voxophones.
Steam says 14 hours, but I think I came in around 15-16 thanks to how Steam accounts for time and sometimes doesn't calculate time 100% correctly.
I missed a few of them and probably a ton of doors because I ended up with about 10 lockpicks at the end.
Nappuccino
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About 10.5
I took my time at first (pretty much up till shortly after I got Elizabeth) then I took my time in places that spoke to me and didn't in others.
I played on Medium so combat never really kept me from progressing until a couple late-game spots.
I took my time at first (pretty much up till shortly after I got Elizabeth) then I took my time in places that spoke to me and didn't in others.
I played on Medium so combat never really kept me from progressing until a couple late-game spots.
spiderman123
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My Brain hurts from that ending. A sad ending but a happy post credit ending
Nappuccino
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Is it happy?
Yes you should definitely watch Fringe. Don't judge it based on the first half of Season 1, I wasn't completely sold until the first season finale. Quite a few of the themes explored in BI play out in Fringe, one of my favourite TV series of all time.
spiderman123
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Ya b/c bad Booker (Comstock) never existed only good Booker
polyh3dron
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Ugh there was a post credit thing? I skipped the credits.
But yeah the more I think about the story and the voxophones and everything, the more it blows me away. The colonel says Comstock was a fraud because he was never at Wounded Knee or the Boxer Rebellion but at the same time talks about how Booker was there.. And then the aforementioned Voxophone where Comstock torches the house of that Indian family.. Genius stuff right there.
But yeah the more I think about the story and the voxophones and everything, the more it blows me away. The colonel says Comstock was a fraud because he was never at Wounded Knee or the Boxer Rebellion but at the same time talks about how Booker was there.. And then the aforementioned Voxophone where Comstock torches the house of that Indian family.. Genius stuff right there.
what are everyone's thoughts on the opening sequence of the game, where Booker is first entering Columbia and has to go through with the baptism, in 1912? Is this separate from the baptism scene at the end of the game, where Booker makes a choice to go through the baptism or back out at the last second? I know it is the same father performing the baptism, but the setting and timeline don't seem to match the one that you play through to start the game.
It seems to be implied that he is drowned, or at a minimum passes out and loses consciousness, as the next scene is in his office and he steps out through a door into the first area inside the city itself.
It seems to be implied that he is drowned, or at a minimum passes out and loses consciousness, as the next scene is in his office and he steps out through a door into the first area inside the city itself.
Nappuccino
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Maybe--No telling when that brief segment is supposed to come in the timeline of the game or how successful Elizabeth was (given the infinite timelines).
We never hear or see Anna.
Quite a bit is left open, really.
XANDER CAGE
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Pretty sure they're saying for Comstock.
spiderman123
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They gave hints he was caught in a loop. Remember the heads and tails game played in the beginning of the game. ONLY HEADS. I figured it out after beating the game. You (Booker) tried to save Elizabeth ( Anna) over a 100 times
polyh3dron
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Hence Bioshock Infinite.
Remember how someone said it should've been calls Aeroshock or something? This game's title is perfect the way it is.
they say "for Comstock!" and it wouldnt make any sense otherwise because they wouldnt be able to recognize him in that timeline
not to mention the police works for him
spiderman123
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Ya too bad the loop ended when he killed himself. So he never got Baptised, never became Comstock and they never took his baby. I would have preferred if at the end he dies and he has to do all that shit again
Another poster previously explained an intersting theory.
Booker's wife died during child birth, so this must be an alternate version of her in the time line
Ya. Uh huh
Whats next? I figured it out before the game was released?
During the Troy Barker video a year ago, he said, 'this character will be multi-dimensional.' I figured it out then.
I figured it out during Bioshock 1.
Where does it end? System Shock 2?
XANDER CAGE
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To be fair I figured out that
Polito was Shodan
BlastProcessing
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Yeah, but then the warning telegram also became part of the constant so they still send it.
Maybe our play through was the first time they attempted the telegraph. We have no way of knowing what alterations were made immediately before we took the reigns of Booker. All we known is they finally nailed the combination of events that would lead to Elizabeth's rescue.
I wonder if the Lettuces were checking the theory of constants.
If Booker participating in the drawing was the constant, then whatever variable they throw in should still produce the same outcome, ie drawing #77.
This seems to be the case, Booker not rowing is a constant, Booker choosing Heads is a constant.
XANDER CAGE
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I think it's less about them trying to actually stop him, and more about seeing if he is still given 77 even if he's aware he's supposed to avoid it.
BlastProcessing
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True. I have this image that they get a little bit further everytime. Tweaking this or that in a sort of Groundhog Day thing.
CryptiK
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Well me miss hearing something ruined the ending HA
DICKS AHOY
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To be fair I admitted I fully agree with it being called 'Bioshock' after beating the game. Like the Infinite subtitle the naming conventions didn't make sense until the ending sequence.
Matt2thefuture
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Started playing the second time the rowing part and quote are so obvious now. The statue changing from male to female. Also at the ticket part I chose to talk instead of pull out my gun and got stabbed in the hand. Elizabeth rips her dress and wraps up your wound and your hand displays a blue part of her dress the rest of the game. Strange moment right before that is when you bump into a woman who thinks she recognizes Elizabeth..like another her in another life or something.
EatChildren
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Poor Songbird. Poor Big Daddies too. Must fucking suck to draw the "protector" card in this multiverse.
Um, is that part true?
My memory on that part in particular is a bit hazy.
Though if true. Holy shit.
Can't wait till Amirox gets here. Surely he will have some interesting points as well.
XANDER CAGE
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Also, is the oversized Lincoln head moment from the gameplay demos actually in the game? I always thought that was adorable, was quite sad that I never ran into it.
Matt2thefuture
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Still think Booker is a big daddy in another parallel universe and Elizabeth is a little sister (maybe the main one from 2) but Ryan for Comstock fits 2.
spiderman123
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Most of the dialogue from the demos are in the game and I was sad when they appeared
and how underwhelming it was.
PinkCrayon
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Booker can say either heads or tails during that scene, but it always comes out heads.
I think so as well.
You could definitely look at it in a metaphorical symbolic way of Song Bird equating to being Booker in some sense
Being the flawed protector/father figure...hunting elizabeth down..similar to what Booker was assigned to do (in finding, and gathering Elizabeth back), but in the end became an ally and something of a true metaphorical father. Always there to protect Elizabeth. Similar to what Booker was tasked to do.
An of course died in the end, which adds some parallelism in that facet as well.
I like to think that the quote that begins the game (and also the entire concept of 'multiverses') is a nice little metaphor for game playing, in that game playing is like stepping into another dimension where players fill in main characters backstories, I.e. creating memories where none exist.
One of the really cute things about Infinite's opening is the way that the player and Booker are in precisely the same place - where are we, what do we have to do. Get the girl. Wipe away the debt.
It's been so long since a game ending really resonated with me like this. That's all I really want these days: something that actually sticks.
One of the really cute things about Infinite's opening is the way that the player and Booker are in precisely the same place - where are we, what do we have to do. Get the girl. Wipe away the debt.
It's been so long since a game ending really resonated with me like this. That's all I really want these days: something that actually sticks.
EliteArtist
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They remind me of the Gophers from Looney Tunes really.
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