To be fair, he added an "if true" to qualify his statement.
And, to be even more fair, the rumors certainly haven't pointed to the Durango being more powerful than the PS4.
[RUMOR] Paul Thurrott: Xbox 720 is expensive: $500 or $300 for sub model, 5/21 Unveil
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To be fair, he added an "if true" to qualify his statement.
And, to be even more fair, the rumors certainly haven't pointed to the Durango being more powerful than the PS4.
No i understand that, look to put it another way, if Sony hadn't released their specs yet, we would all still be creaming over the fact that the 720 has '8gig of ram!, so much for the 2gig everyone thought we'd get!'.
Why would a company in dire financial straits repeat the same mistake that screwed over their previous console? IIRC, the Playstation brand is the only thing keeping Sony afloat at the moment, which is why so much is invested in it. They're not in any position to take a huge loss per console, but they sure as hell aren't doing the opposite either.
Console manufacturers need to justify their consoles against other multimedia devices by providing similar (or superior) connectivity and services with lower prices. Fighting a price war with mobile will only screw them over.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Unveiling on the 21st? 360 was on the 12th. Everything is becoming opposite of what the 360 was!
Lower upfront cost makes Average Joe think he's getting a deal, especially seeing as how he pays for Live anyway (and smart phone plans).
Sony simply raised the bar.
GoofsterStud
Member
Their is no reason. They have monopolistic control over all sales.
It's not like Steam where their is competition and you aren't the only source.
Yes, Sony going with a large amount of fast RAM is far better than MS who are going with a large amount of slow RAM (with the OS eating 3GB of that). Of course MS also have 32MB of ESRAM to offset that to some extent.
I guess shrinking your profit margins per-unit is the solution.
That'd be nice, but probably wishful thinking.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
32MB? Is eSRAM expensive or something?
SneakyStephan
Banned
I highly suggest you buy an nvidia gt640 3GB for your gaming rig
3 GB ddr3 ram, sli support, dx11 , cuda, physx, wow so amazing, wow.
3GB ddr3, wow.
(I guess it's from people like you that the OEM market makes its money)
Very expensive, large, and hot.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Um, who uses mobile cards on a rig...
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
We have to deal with more fucking rumors until May 21st? Ugh.
computers putin'
Member
A subscription model, in addition to paying for gold monthly, on an internet-only machine, with that eye-toy thingee required, ugghhhhhhhhhh. I'm still holding out hope that this stuff isn't true, if it isn't...well hopefully PS4 launches at $400, because nextbox won't be an option for me.
In general embedded ram is much larger, hotter, and more expensive than the traditional kind. It's also fast as hell, but the above caveats is why so little is used in consoles.
robertsan21
Member
haha this is awesome news!
The fanboy fight that will ensue if this is confirmed true is going to be glorious.
The fanboy fight that will ensue if this is confirmed true is going to be glorious.
Of all the rumors we've heard recently, Thurrott's actually seem to be the least threadworthy. He's mostly speculating and the only scraps of info he seems to really have is online connection required and the possible date for the next Xbox event. Other than that the price points he's discussing and most of the other details (lack of BC, for example) are pure speculation.
Live Free or Die
Banned
Did not expect it to be $500.
I have a feeling PS4 wont be above $399.
I have a feeling PS4 wont be above $399.
Petrae
Member
I'll be over here with my old consoles, observing the fallout. I'll still be a "gamer", just more retro-minded.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
And less Metro-minded.
The vocabulary is definitely going to change, for better or for worse. I mean, it's already changing. These aren't really gaming consoles anymore, they're set top boxes that will offer up a smorgasbord of entertainment into your living room.
Yea, but with the push Microsoft is already making for all digital, I can see their Marketplace becoming better overall. I don't think it'll ever be identical to Steam on the sales side, but it will be closer as the next generation progresses and internet speeds increase globally.
JonathanPower
Member
Alright. Mandatory internet connection. Mandatory Kinect. No used games. Very expensive. Less powerful than PS4.
Was there any need for that?
Why would it be $500, using weaker tech than PS4 to boot?
No BC doesn't bother me, got a 360, no used games doesn't either, always buy new. I also have my internet on all the time I'm playing. But $500 is way too steep for me, unless they show some incredible games I won't jump in straight away.
Still I'm starting to wonder what rumours are BS, no rumours on HW suggest $500 price point.
No BC doesn't bother me, got a 360, no used games doesn't either, always buy new. I also have my internet on all the time I'm playing. But $500 is way too steep for me, unless they show some incredible games I won't jump in straight away.
Still I'm starting to wonder what rumours are BS, no rumours on HW suggest $500 price point.
GoofsterStud
Member
If the Kinetic is rumored to be $150 and Microsoft is not taking a loss.
Without Kinetic the 720 would be $350
Why is $50 for a slightly beefed up console without expensive eram so outrageous?
PS4 for $399 without the eyetoy included seems reasonable.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Kinect 2.0 in every box.
The solution, as always, lies between murdering yourself with per-unit losses (PS3) and making a killing on the few units being sold (Vita). It's also important to establishing marketshare since the cheaper loss leaders models do so faster but cost you more.
But again: After knowing what's going into these machines, $500 is just absurd. Hell, not even that Dual APU thing we keep hearing about would inflate the BOM that much.
You pay for the privilege to play multilayer games, pay to delay demos for non-gold users, pay for the ability to simply access netflix and hulu and other streaming services [who all demand their own separate subscriptions].
And there is off course unknown TV functionality with HDMI-IN.
Voice of Reason
Banned
You'd think Microsoft would learn after looking at Windows 8 and Surface sales. They don't have the prestige Apple has in its brand.
I think it's a bit far-fetched to say that people are leaving home consoles behind for gaming on mobile phones and tablets. Microsoft and Sony haven't released a new system since 2005 and 2006 respectively. Hardware sales may seem like they're on the decline since everyone who wanted a home console has already brought one by now. Also, in terms of quality, mobile devices are a long way off from matching the games that comes on a home console. To me, it's like comparing apples to oranges at this point.
They probably want to wait it out and see if the whole Windows 8 ecosystem pans out after Durango is on the market. It's a key part of the equation.
Which would add $100 to the price, it sounds like they don't have a screen in the controller and weaker tech, so it should be about even with PS4, still not seeing why it's gonna be $100 more expensive!
gundamkyoukai
Member
PlayStation is not the only thing keeping Sony afloat , it means a fair amount to them yes but so do other things for eg smartphones .
Truth is i have no idea why either of these systems should cost more than $400 unless the want to make profit day 1 .
BadAss2961
Member
I have no clue. I'm just confident that the PS4 will be known for having a $500 price point. Much like the PS3 is known for $599 US dollars, even though there was a cheaper sku.
Well, they'd have to start informing journalists around the world now to make travel plans if they wanted to start something.
So, basically, this a PR nightmare that they're unable to do much about?
Sony is making "a killing" on (each) Vita? News to me.
Don't really think there will be much of a fight. Even the most ardent of xbox fanboys will have trouble defending this one.
15 bucks x 24 months = 360 bucks
360 bucks + 300 bucks (console) = 660 dollars!!!
Pretty cheap... right...
PS4: 500 (I'm guessing) + PS Plus (100 dollars for 2 years)
Total: 600 dollars... and for a best machine and a really best service.
Voice of Reason
Banned
If two-thirds didn't work why would the last third work? I'll remain optimistic though, since I dig the Windows ecosystem.