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[babyghost853]

yeah 1000 mhz i did right now the calculation

14 cus * 4 * 16 = 896
896*(1+1)*1000= 1.79tf



but still i dont get the 7970 rumor....something dosnt add

like specialguy said....or the 1.2tf is fake or 7970 is fake ...and honestly...i dont see ms givin a free 40% performance advantage to sony...expecially while sony have all the financial problems that we know

You came into this topic lashing out at insiders asking for proof that they had inside knowledge, but when given evidence you completely ignore it, why?

I was waiting to see your response to this post in particular because a link was given, just like you asked.

 

[Can Crusher]

That's another way to look at it, but if there was only one universal system there probably wouldn't be such technological leaps.

In an ideal world there would.

 

[Toski]

The problem is that gamers largely expect them to constantly one-up the competition. We've been spoiled by years of prosperity, where this strategy was still viable.

I think the tech & techniques from this gen will carry on to the next with lower costs and prestige. EA & Activision & Ubisoft will be looking for what JRPGs were to the PS1, GTA was to the PS2, COD was to this gen, etc. With diminishing returns, game makers won't need as many people to make a game, driving down dev costs and expanding experimentation.

If a next gen AAA game can be made with 150-200 people, those other 400 can go make something else.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Quite possible the funniest shit I've read on here.

Look at the poster.

 

[FyreWulff]

MS isn't reactionary. They tend to do whatever the hell they're set on no matter what the market is doing.

Which is probably why Windows Phone is doing so poorly.

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[Tripp Daily]

So, you're saying Respawn's game wouldn't be made without Microsoft?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respawn_Entertainment

No, I'm saying that Respawn's next game may be made because of MS. If this rumored durango exclusive flops, then they still have the guaranteed money from the exclusive deal to fall back on to try and take another shot.

So many people make the assumption that going multi-platform always equals more cash. I don't think that is a reasonable assumption. Going multi-platform involves increasing cost which in turn increases risk all without the guaranteed money of an exclusive deal.

 

[IdeaMan]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=56161460&postcount=492

well, as i said, i have this info from extremely reliable sources, that were spot-on on 90% of my last year leaks, with too-precise-things-to-be-"bs" such as the player input method on the first wii u dev kits (confirmed by an official documentation published by vgleaks months after), the wii u memory breakdown (1GB games/1GB OS) a whole semester before the reveal by Iwata, the introduction of a second DRC plug on the dev kit released a few days before reggie's confirmation of two gamepad support, the 512MB of NAND memory (confirmed by vgleaks weeks after, then by the teardowns months after), i can go on for a dozen of items like this.

It's too easy to say "well, those other reliable sources are saying you are wrong on the Sony situation so it means you are wrong". There's more to it. Perhaps this difference is due to our respective sources (theirs are more adapted to PS4 dev kits and SDK ?), or just an exaggeration on their part of what i've said (not that Sony is doomed, but that their situation isn't seen as "smooth" and "ready" from a dev POV than what we've been told), etc.

 

[GavinGT]

No, I'm saying that Respawn's next game may be made because of MS. If this rumored durango exclusive flops, then they still have the guaranteed money from the exclusive deal to fall back on to try and take another shot.

So many people make the assumption that going multi-platform always equals more cash. I don't think that is a reasonable assumption. Going multi-platform involves increasing cost which in turn increases risk all without the guaranteed money of an exclusive deal.

I agree. It's probably the best move for the future of their studio. They can negotiate favorable terms before the game is even released and they get compensated for the lost PS4 sales on the assumption that it's going to be a hit.

 

[QaaQer]

I find buying exclusivity for 3rd party titles, that have been in development independently, without the platform holder affecting the process in any way, a loathsome tactic to gain marketshare, that would be out of their reach by other means. Not to mention, that it doesn't serve the interests of consumers at all, as those games would have been multiplatform if moneyhats weren't involved. It's a highly different matter, if the platform holder actually funds and partakes in the development, as without their help those games might not be made at all (eg. Heavy Rain, Flower, Journey...).

It is also a type of anti-competitive behaviour that harms the marketplace if left unchecked as it leads to monopoly situations.

 

[Aquamarine]

Why don't I ever get insiders PMing me goodies?

You are not worthy!

 

[lupinko]

Yeah..that asian hero on the TV show Heroes. What was his name again? I forget.

Spoiler

Its Hiro ;p

I've never actually seen the show, I only vaguely know about it from talk on internet forums.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

It is also a type of anti-competitive behaviour that harms the marketplace if left unchecked as it leads to monopoly situations.

Sony built an empire on moneyhatted exclusives. If it worked then it can work now.

 

[Gestault]

For years now, Microsoft have publicly said "As soon as Sony move, we're ready to roll".
And now...here we are. Sony seems to have caught them totally off guard, and it makes no sense.

Might waiting for the product you're commenting on to actually be revealed, which will still have happened in the same quarter as its competitor's announcement, and still earlier in the year than any of the previous generation consoles were, make more sense than the conclusion your accepting flat-out?

 

[NemesisPrime]

For years now, Microsoft have publicly said "As soon as Sony move, we're ready to roll".
And now...here we are. Sony seems to have caught them totally off guard, and it makes no sense.

Sony has not moved.

 

[QaaQer]

Sony built an empire on moneyhatted exclusives. If it worked then it can work now.

It's a good way to tilt the playing field but I doubt it will be able to kill a competitor. This is because MS knows that there are regulators in the world and any actual predatory behaviour leading towards monopoly will be identified and sanctioned.

Although, predatory behaviour worked pretty well for Intel, so who knows. Maybe some predatory moneyhats could AMD one or both of the other consoles.

 

[Karma]

It wasn't the PS4 bandwidth that Thuway revealed first, it was the Durango edram bandwidth, here.

Beyond3D had already been talking about DDR3 2133 with 384bit bandwidth a couple days before that.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

It's too easy to say "well, those other reliable sources are saying you are wrong on the Sony situation so it means you are wrong". There's more to it. Perhaps this difference is due to our respective sources (theirs are more adapted to PS4 dev kits and SDK ?), or just an exaggeration on their part of what i've said (not that Sony is doomed, but that their situation isn't seen as "smooth" and "ready" from a dev POV than what we've been told), etc.

What do you mean by a 'dev POV'? First-party devs struggling to finish games in time for launch or what?

That doesn't sit well with what Guerilla's lead game director tweeted on how they are already playtesting K: SF (it's in the K:SF thread, he mysterioulsy deleted his posts afterwards) and that the sp campaign had been finished for two months.

Certainly for GG, there game seems ahead of schedule.

 

[GoofsterStud]

This E3 is becoming my most anticipated E3 since the announcement of the Dreamcast.

>.> It can't get here fast enough. So many rumors that need debunked. So many questions unanswered.

 

[Osiris]

Beyond3D had already been talking about DDR3 2133 with 384bit bandwidth a couple days before that.

DDR3 has nothing to do with the on-chip EDRAM.

 

[IdeaMan]

What do you mean by a 'dev POV'? First-party devs struggling to finish games in time for launch or what?

That doesn't sit well with what Guerilla's lead game director tweeted on how they are already playtesting K: SF (it's in the K:SF thread, he mysterioulsy deleted his posts afterwards) and that the sp campaign had been finished for two months.

Certainly for GG, there game seems ahead of schedule.

No i mostly have third-party info, very rare first-party leaks.
And for those sources, they are struggling A LOT to reach a satisfactory framerate for their next-gen projects, on Durango but also on PS4. And they are far from being clumsy at game development.

 

[Izick]

This E3 is becoming my most anticipated E3 since the announcement of the Dreamcast.

>.> It can't get here fast enough. So many rumors that need debunked. So many questions unanswered.

-What first party games will Microsoft have?
-Will Naughty Dog show up and debut Uncharted 4?
-Will Nintendo show off a new Zelda?
-Who killed Laura Palmer?
-Will Respawn's game be exclusive to the Nextbox?
-How much will the consoles cost?
-What does Live 3.0 and the PS4's UI actually look like and function?

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

DDR3 has nothing to do with the on-chip EDRAM.

Maybe he's talking about DDR3 2133 on 384bit also 102GB/s(not so sure)?

 

[TheKayle]

You came into this topic lashing out at insiders asking for proof that they had inside knowledge, but when given evidence you completely ignore it, why?

I was waiting to see your response to this post in particular because a link was given, just like you asked.

no no sorry im not lashing out ...no one
im really hoping that in the devkit theres a 7970....this would mean they targeting at that perfomance at least

 

[amardilo]

If these rumours are true it would be interesting to see which projects got cancelled and what those developers are doing now.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

If these rumours are true it would be interesting to see which projects got cancelled and what those developers are doing now.

There was a rumor they cancelled MS Vancouver kinect project(before rename to Black Tsuk)

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

No i mostly have third-party info, very rare first-party leaks.
And for those sources, they are struggling A LOT to reach a satisfactory framerate for their next-gen projects, on Durango but also on PS4. And they are far from being clumsy at game development.

Oh ok.

Seems strange though as there have been big devs that have said they've got their game engine up and running on PS4 superfast as its x86-based and the tools that Sony is giving them.

Anyway don't think that's a huge problem if their first party are on schedule.

 

[Ol No Bones]

I guess holiday 2014 will be great for Microsoft.

 

[Izick]

I guess holiday 2014 will be great for Microsoft.

The second holiday season a console is in the market usually is pretty great, so yeah.

 

[Beermeister]

Microsoft is as much as six months behind in producing content for the new console

Not when it comes to Kinect games. Just wait for E3 and see for yourself.

 

[abadguy]

Honestly, this isn't all that surprising. I was hopeful that Microsoft's new internal teams could produce great product out of thin air but deep down I knew that was unrealistic.

Look at who's behind Sony's launch games: Guerrilla Games, Sucker Punch, Evolution. These are studios that Sony has nurtured for years and generations. Who does Microsoft have with that sort of track record? I love the idea of MS starting up new studios like Black Tusk, and Rare returning to "core" game development, but as we know game development is extremely difficult and fraught with peril, and expecting new teams to hit it out of the park from the get-go is asking a bit much.

I hope Remedy has something to show soon, Turn 10 will undoubtedly bring the racing, and I haven't given up on Rare, but I'm struggling to see where the launch lineup will come from outside of third parties.

Before Killzone ( one of the most mediocre shooters i have ever played) their claim to fame was that Crappy Shell Shock Vietnam game. Now they are considered to be one of Sony's "best devs"? lol

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Raven "Two To Tango" [Original XBOX unveiling Tech Demo]

That's just silly.

@bolded: what? Kinect reveal, Kinect star wars stage demo, Milo etc would like to have a word with you

Kinect isn't drastically different from what they revealed, Star War Kinect is indeed one and Milo...well, we'll never actually know about Milo seeing as it won't ever be released, but press previews, etc did claim it was pretty much like the demo they showed publicly.

 

[Thorgal]

Before Killzone ( one of the most mediocre shooters i have ever played) their claim to fame was that Crappy Shell Shock Vietnam game. Now they are considered to be one of Sony's "best devs"? lol

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Before Killzone ( one of the most mediocre shooters i have ever played) their claim to fame was that Crappy Shell Shock Vietnam game. Now they are considered to be one of Sony's "best devs"? lol

Shell Shock was great, so yeah...

I do agree that KZ isn't exactly the most interesting FPS I've played, KZ2 especially was terrible, but 3 was pretty decent and Mercenaries looks great.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Before Killzone ( one of the most mediocre shooters i have ever played) their claim to fame was that Crappy Shell Shock Vietnam game. Now they are considered to be one of Sony's "best devs"? lol

After they have, you know, put out some good games people do tend to see them as a notable dev. Better than Crytek with the Crysis franchise. I threw that there incase you liked Crysis but it's mostly talked about within the discussion of great visuals.

The best Crysis game was the first. All downhill from there. The worse Killzone was the first and it's been all uphill from there.

 

[Syphon Filter]

My question is how in the hell arent they ready?they are the oldest and arent ready?makes no sense.

 

[Izick]

My question is how in the hell arent they ready?they are the oldest and arent ready?makes no sense.

Probably cause the rumor is bullshit.

 

[TheKayle]

Probably cause the rumor is bullshit.

totally right ...day 21 they have a show...and they arent ready .....dat rumors

 

[AniHawk]

I am in the fucking twilight zone. anihawk has competition.

oh please. i am nothing but optimistic regarding sony's chances with the ps4. i just think it'll be priced a bit higher than the $399.99 people expect it to come in at. it would be nice, though.

 

[RaijinFY]

(-_-;

Alright... One more time.

1) There's no physical console. What's the point in hiding it? All it's going to do is sit in the background while you play your game. Revealing it at E3 isn't going to shock the world. Did Apple hide the iPhone 5 when they announced it? No! What would be the point? Only reason a company would hide a console is if it weren't ready.

2) There were no playable demos. You can _kinda_ count Killzone, but it was only played on stage. I dunno if I really can call that playable. We should be able to play SOMETHING if the console is supposed to be released the same year. You're claiming, "Oh, wait until E3." Sure, I can wait, but that doesn't mean the console wasn't rushed. <-- Which is my point.

3) The system has a ton of bottlenecks. 8 gigs of GDDR5 was a decision made by some 12 year old kid that thought more meant better. If Sony took their time building this system, they'd know that an OOO processor would be handicapped using GDDR5.

4) The processor itself is a low powered _quad core_ CPU with an extra 4 cores duct taped to it. So, there's no crossbar between the clump of cores. So, 4 cores would need to access the memory controller (HT) just to talk to the other cores. That's inefficient. Plus, the cores only have 512kb L2 cache each. Not only that, this processor cannot do multiple threads. You'd think someone at Sony would notice this if they'd taken their time building this... Oh but wait... They didn't take their time making this system.

...wow. Absolute mental diarrhea.

 

[Kagari]

Please stop quoting that junior.

 

[abadguy]

After they have, you know, put out some good games people do tend to see them as a notable dev. Better than Crytek with the Crysis franchise. I threw that there incase you liked Crysis but it's mostly talked about within the discussion of great visuals.

The best Crysis game was the first. All downhill from there. The worse Killzone was the first and it's been all uphill from there.

I found Crysis 2 to be far superior SP wise than Killzone 2. Haven't played Crysis 3 yet though. And Killzone 2 was pretty much mostly talked about because of visuals as well, take that away and you just have a mediocre ( if competently made) FPS with Kerberos rip off bad guys.

 

[TriGen]

This E3 is becoming my most anticipated E3 since the announcement of the Dreamcast.

>.> It can't get here fast enough. So many rumors that need debunked. So many questions unanswered.

This is my most anticapated ever. Sessler said it in a recent video, that because we usually would hear about systems a year or so in advance, that it just feels like the stakes are so much higher this time. Everything's up in the air. It's crazy.

 

[Alebrije]

-What first party games will Microsoft have?
-Will Naughty Dog show up and debut Uncharted 4?
-Will Nintendo show off a new Zelda?
-Who killed Laura Palmer?
-Will Respawn's game be exclusive to the Nextbox?
-How much will the consoles cost?
-What does Live 3.0 and the PS4's UI actually look like and function?

But the main question is : will it blend?

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

No i mostly have third-party info, very rare first-party leaks.
And for those sources, they are struggling A LOT to reach a satisfactory framerate for their next-gen projects, on Durango but also on PS4. And they are far from being clumsy at game development.

I have a really hard time believing this for either system since were dealing with consoles with a extremely straightforward transition from PC. This just sounds crazy.

 

[tfur]

My question is how in the hell arent they ready?they are the oldest and arent ready?makes no sense.

It could all be bad rumors, but does it really not make sense?

Was Microsoft really ready with Windows Phone? Maybe Kin? How about tablets? Courier? Bing?

At least they were ready with Windows 8...

Again, it could be bad rumors, but it definitely would not surprise me.

 

[Izick]

It could all be bad rumors, but does it really not make sense?

Was Microsoft really ready with Windows Phone? Maybe Kin? How about tablets? Courier? Bing?

At least they were ready with Windows 8...

Again, it could be bad rumors, but it definitely would not surprise me.

What? They were ready, the problem is that they were late to the party with most of that stuff. Not sure if you meant Kinect when you said "Kin" but with that they seemed to have done just fine.

The problem with Windows Phone and Bing is that they're still new services that are going against competitors with a lot of ground in cut-throat industries.

 

[Blue_Barry]

My question is how in the hell arent they ready?they are the oldest and arent ready?makes no sense.

I'm gonna guess that Microsoft was anticipating the new line of consoles to launch next year. Sony, at some point in the last 12 months, decided it was going to bring it forward and Microsoft were left twiddling thumbs. They are easily the most reactive, major software/tech company, around at the moment.

 

[Blue_Barry]

The problem with Windows Phone and Bing is that they're still new services that are going against competitors with a lot of ground in cut-throat industries.

Giving more evidence to the fact that Microsoft have become an incredibly reactive company.

 

[gaming_noob]

Please stop quoting that junior.

Why did "abadguy" and "eagleburn" get banned?

 

[Osiris]

What? They were ready, the problem is that they were late to the party with most of that stuff. Not sure if you meant Kinect when you said "Kin" but with that they seemed to have done just fine.

The problem with Windows Phone and Bing is that they're still new services that are going against competitors with a lot of ground in cut-throat industries.

Microsoft Kin, a social network phone that sold so badly that Verizon returned them to MS after less than two months on the market. In fact it went from launch to discontinued in a matter of 48 days, impressive!