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brotkasten said:
Fix the damn settings. Who thought it was a good idea to bury app settings in the OS settings menu?
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Haha that complaint has been around since Day One. There was even a website:
http://www.settingsareinthesettingsapp.com/

The great debate:
Settings, and the Settings App
The settings used to be in the Settings app

Five long years and no official change; the developers just worked around the iOS guidelines. Apple's really lucky to have such dedicated third party developers who love the company.
 
infiniteloop said:
Some time in June, possibly later.




Haswell, yes. Retina, unlikely.
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is it worth waiting for the update if you dont care about gaming on the mac?

i need one for work which is excel and outlook most of the time and powerpoint.

i do my gaming on my rig.

So the retina is not getting haswell?
 
Omiee said:
is it worth waiting for the update if you dont care about gaming on the mac?

i need one for work which is excel and outlook most of the time and powerpoint.

i do my gaming on my rig.

So the retina is not getting haswell?
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Hes talking about a Retina Macbook Air.

Haswell will be WWDC.
 
“Put it this way,” said one source who has been briefed on iOS. “You know Game Center’s green felt craps table? Well, goodbye, Circus Circus.”
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Omiee said:
is it worth waiting for the update if you dont care about gaming on the mac?

i need one for work which is excel and outlook most of the time and powerpoint.

i do my gaming on my rig.

So the retina is not getting haswell?
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there's a chance of better battery life and reduced temperatures. If you can wait 30 days, wait! if you can't, then buy one but no griping if new ones come out in early June, deal? :)
 
LCfiner said:
there's a chance of better battery life and reduced temperatures. If you can wait 30 days, wait! if you can't, then buy one but no griping if new ones come out in early June, deal? :)
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im gonna wait =(

sure hope they launch it day one in the netherlands as well.
 
Really really hope the update is big.

If not, I'm not sure where I'll go. Don't want to say I'll go Android but it's a consideration.

Should be good though. I believe in Ive.
 
Something just occurred to me - a flatter look would be great because it matches the iPhone 5 hardware, like an OS that belongs on that hardware. However iOS also runs on iPads. A flat look would not suit the iPad as much. I wonder if they'd fork the 'skin' to match different hardware designs? Maybe just little details like colours to match the device?

I'm also predicting the rounded rectangles to stay. The home button design demands it at the moment.

I think too many people are relying on something big to happen. I still very much enjoy the iOS devices having a home launching platform as opposed to a sort of desktop space. It's like you are supposed to use the device via apps, not sit on the home screen all day as a default. I think that philosophy won't change.
 
Looking forward t the Macbook Air refresh. AM deciding between a Asus Zenbook/Macbook Air/Samsung Series 9/Surface Pro for an ultrabook/hybrid
 
I'm really curious to see if any of the visual refreshes for iOS 7 make it into OS X 10.9.

It'll be weird if iOS has a non-shitty-looking Notes app but OS X still has a terrible one.
 
I actually think io7 will be nothing more than a re-skin with a few tweaks.
Still not going to android though, still love my iphone5 and mini.
 
CrunchinJelly said:
I want universal apps in iOS 7 and 10.9.

Buy once and get an app on your iPhone, iPad and Mac.
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Eh, I can't see these things existing as universal binaries, and that'd be pointless. Plenty of paid apps have free stuff to install on your Mac to make it work perfectly, or vice versa.
 
CrunchinJelly said:
I want universal apps in iOS 7 and 10.9.

Buy once and get an app on your iPhone, iPad and Mac.
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I could see this happening.

I'd also like to see the App Store offer true upgrade pricing if you bought a previous version of the app. It's less important to me on the iphone with 2 or 3 dollar apps but on the desktop, it becomes a more obvious limitation.

unrelated. I'm gonna make a prediction for a new iOS app: Preview. Only, flimsy reason for this prediction? Preview in 10.8 added iCloud document support. and while it is possible for this to be used on multiple Macs, pretty much all other iCloud document support has involved an iOS app. So preview could b Apple's way of having a random document viewer/ browser in iOS with a friendly face
 
LCfiner said:
I could see this happening.

I'd also like to see the App Store offer true upgrade pricing if you bought a previous version of the app. It's less important to me on the iphone with 2 or 3 dollar apps but on the desktop, it becomes a more obvious limitation.

unrelated. I'm gonna make a prediction for a new iOS app: Preview. Only, flimsy reason for this prediction? Preview in 10.8 added iCloud document support. and while it is possible for this to be used on multiple Macs, pretty much all other iCloud document support has involved an iOS app. So preview could b Apple's way of having a random document viewer/ browser in iOS with a friendly face
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TextEdit also has iCloud document support. I don't think the Preview thing is too likely (though I wouldn't mind being wrong).
 
badcrumble said:
Eh, I can't see these things existing as universal binaries, and that'd be pointless. Plenty of paid apps have free stuff to install on your Mac to make it work perfectly, or vice versa.
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I was going to buy Fantastical today but then I realised I need to buy it on Mac and iOS.

A universal app across both OSes would be perfect in that instance. There are others, too.
 
CrunchinJelly said:
I was going to buy Fantastical today but then I realised I need to buy it on Mac and iOS.

A universal app across both OSes would be perfect in that instance. There are others, too.
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The best solution is for buying the app in one place to offer a token that lets you get the other version of it for free. That's already possible.

A universal binary would still be silly and way too bloated, IMO.
 
badcrumble said:
The best solution is for buying the app in one place to offer a token that lets you get the other version of it for free. That's already possible.

A universal binary would still be silly and way too bloated, IMO.
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It's not possible through Apple's App Stores.
 
LCfiner said:
I could see this happening.

I'd also like to see the App Store offer true upgrade pricing if you bought a previous version of the app. It's less important to me on the iphone with 2 or 3 dollar apps but on the desktop, it becomes a more obvious limitation.

unrelated. I'm gonna make a prediction for a new iOS app: Preview. Only, flimsy reason for this prediction? Preview in 10.8 added iCloud document support. and while it is possible for this to be used on multiple Macs, pretty much all other iCloud document support has involved an iOS app. So preview could b Apple's way of having a random document viewer/ browser in iOS with a friendly face
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Text edit has it as well. Not sure about an actual 'Preview' app on iOS since it would seem apple want to move away from visible files. Maybe just call it an iCloud viewer. Dunno.

As for app upgrades, I'd like this too. Not sure if they would see a need considering you can just make a new version if an app and sell it separately. I guess it would be useful to offer an upgrade pricing as opposed to full pricing fur new users. I think apple deliberately avoided it, however, but just make a low price the norm. For example there wasn't really an upgrade pricing for the disc versions of iLife and iWork. You just bought the new versions or you didn't. Apple probably made them cheaper knowing full well that users would pay lots in the long run.

That said, it's amazing apple has not released a major version of their Mac App Store apps since 10.6 store so that we can see hue they intend on doing upgrades. Have we really not seen a new iPhoto or iWork in that long?

As for universal apps, I can't see that being a good idea. Not just storage and app size, but do users really want to pay more fit an app version they don't use? You could make a universal one and one not, but devs often like to avoid this as it splits the sku units.

Maybe apple could allow a dev to link purchases for apps from the same developer, so apps can be made free it discounted if a user has bought another app specifically, be it mac, iOS, iPhone, or iPad. Now that I think about it, such a system would allow app upgrades too.
 
Greyface said:
Haha that complaint has been around since Day One. There was even a website:
http://www.settingsareinthesettingsapp.com/

The great debate:
Settings, and the Settings App
The settings used to be in the Settings app

Five long years and no official change; the developers just worked around the iOS guidelines. Apple's really lucky to have such dedicated third party developers who love the company.
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smh at the developers saying "the ideal app should have no settings." Thank goodness that that mentality hasn't really spread to the desktop as much yet. (Well, I suppose it is kind of a mentality in the Ruby community, what with Rails's "convention over configuration" principle and Homebrew's insistence on not having a conf file, but I don't really like either of them, anyways...)
 
A very good list

Everything Apple Needs to Introduce at WWDC to Appease the Internet

With WWDC just a few weeks away, I thought it’d be beneficial to the Internet at large to compile a working list of everything that is expected of Apple during their Keynote and subsequent “State of the Union” addresses in order to appease the Internet. Failure to introduce each and every one of these features and updates will result in another stock price plummet, calls for Tim Cook’s ouster and an infinite amount of comments on tech blogs decrying that Android is superior to Apple’s iOS.

1. A completely refreshed design language for iOS 7 that sheds the Forstall and oozes Ive.
2. Modernized and updated system apps for iOS that match the new Ivey design language.
3. A services/sharing architecture on par with what is offered by Windows Phone and Android.
4. An update to iMessage that makes it reliable.
5. An update to iMessage that allows people to leave group chats.
6. Multiple people on FaceTime calls.
7. Xcode 5 with better refactoring tools, smarter smart sense and less crashes.
8. A separate documentation viewer from Xcode itself so that command-tabbing between code and documents is possible and I can remove that weird purple icon DashCode uses from my Dock.
9. Transitioning the beta testing process from device limits and towards Apple ID’s so anyone with a targeted ID can install a beta product on any device they own.
10. The ability to distribute betas over the App Store.
11. Analytics tools for App Store developers so we can see where referrals and sales funnel in from.
12. Real-time sales analytics. It’s 2013. Next day sales charts just won’t do.
13. The ability to finally, once and for all delete old app IDs from the portal.
14. The death of the provisioning profile to make deploying to devices less of a headache.
15. The removal of the 100 device limit for iOS beta testing, or at a minimum deleting a device gives the slot back to you before your iOS developer program renewal date.
16. A faster, more reliable iCloud.
17. An updated iCloud that obviates the need for services like Dropbox.
18. Syncing with Core Data and iCloud to actually work so that we can stop writing blog posts about it.
19. A backend service that ties to iCloud that enables Apple platform developers to deploy a web service to tie their apps together. Think Google App Engine, but with a flat UI designed by Jony Ive.
20. The ability to customize the lock screen on iOS.
21. The ability to organize your springboard free-form.
22. The ability to add widgets to your home screen.
23. Quick access to key service toggles like Airplane Mode and Bluetooth.
24. A more reliable Game Center so Loren doesn’t break it again.
25. The ability to Find My Friends without having to open up an app covered in leather. This will allow vegetarians to finally use the product.
26. Updates to iTunes Match make it more like Rdio and less like an unreliable mess.
27. An updated notification center that supports swiping away notifications
28. An updated notification center that supports quick actions from a notification
29. An updated notification center that offers Game Center achivements for successfully tapping the tiny “X” on the first try.
30. The ability to download Mac apps from your iPhone or iPad and have them show up on your Mac when you get home.
31. The ability to download iPad apps from your iPhone and have them show up on supported devices automatically.
32. A web-based front-end to iTunes that doesn’t involve ever launching iTunes again.
33. Selective backup restoration from an iCloud backup.
34. Read and write access to Photo Streams.
35. The ability to set new default apps for things like the camera, calendar and browser.
36. Deeper integration for third-party services beyond just Twitter and Facebook.
37. The return of Google Maps.
38. A Q&A session with Tim Cook at the conclusion of the Keynote where he answers questions from anyone not named Robert Scoble.
39. The ability to update apps in the background without weird geofencing hacks to accomplish it.
40. A new App Store app that isn’t a complete turd.
41. An update to OS X that is not only stable and fast, but incorporates new features both pulled back from iOS and to further push it ahead of Windows 8.
42. The ability to disable that god damned Mac App Store updates notification without having to actually update or open the Mac App Store.
43. Port UIKit back to OS X so that I can stop reading tweets from people bitching about how old and dated AppKit is.
44. Retina screens for every Mac.
45. A new Mac Pro. Finally.
46. Air Drop support across the Internet and not just your local network.
47. Pull all the Google-centric code from WebKit 2 and make the next version of Safari suck less. No more reloading all my tabs please.
48. The ability to read your iBooks on your Mac.
49. MapKit for OS X.
50. Siri support for the Mac.

No pressure, right?
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That is a good list. It's a little tongue in cheek (#29 for example) but it does a good job both listing legitimate issues with iOS and how big the expectations are on the net for Apple.
 
If they can speed up Siri, and make it do alot of productivity in the Mac, I'm in.

Making it available in my language would be cool too.
 
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