They probably want to nail the look and feel for iPhone, which is more cosmetic, and then take the extra time to translate the new look to take advantage of iPad's real estate.
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They probably want to nail the look and feel for iPhone, which is more cosmetic, and then take the extra time to translate the new look to take advantage of iPad's real estate.
victreeb3l
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please have some more widget options. i dont give a shit about stocks, id rather put something else in the notifications instead
Nah, Android is the imitator of iOS; Duarte stole a time machine and went into the future to copy Ive's flat design
brotkasten
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Durate needs to hide in a cave until he fixed the godawful clock app. What a hidous piece of software.
Yeah, but I don't want to wait 3 months for the iPad version.
Can't find an iPad thread, so I'll ask here: are people expecting big updates with iPad or iPad mini? I'm looking to get my dad an iPad, and I'm thinking to let him have our iPad 2 and me get an iPad 4. But if people are expecting a big weight drop or something else I might try and hold off until an iPad 5.
Victory Red
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I would wait also.
They just lowered prices on some existing models. New iPad to match iPad Mini design is expected.
not for this summer, though.
I honestly would not expect any iOS hardware updates at all. But, hey, since it's so close, if one can wait till the 10th to buy, it won't hurt to do so.
quick thought about the look of iOS from the link above and the WWDC invite graphic:
The link said that apple app icons would be mostly white and black with a signature color per app. The WWDC invite is white text on a dark background and has multiple colored app icons stacked behind it, suggesting perhaps, the same fundamental color scheme for individual apps.
not exactly a huge insight but I see a link there. To me, it supports the rumor.
Do you actually think they are taking this idea from the Play Store? I'd be willing to bet Jony has had these ideas sketched out over the years of
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Nice spotting.
As much as I think the current textured apps look kinda gaudy, I will admit there's at least character. I know when I'm in game centre vs anything else. I mean, how would you really distinguish any apps that are just lists if items, especially if you don't have a header bar? I guess unique colour might do it.
Anyway, if all sounds snazzy.
infiniteloop
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Mac Pro Supplies tightening:
http://www.macrumors.com/2013/05/31/mac-pro-supplies-tightening-as-wwdc-approaches/
http://www.macrumors.com/2013/05/31/mac-pro-supplies-tightening-as-wwdc-approaches/
infiniteloop
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Yeah, no idea why they don't stream it consistently.
cooljeanius
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Goddammit Apple, when we said to fix Radar, this isn't what we meant...
No dude, the interface is so much nicer to navigate. It no longer feels like we're in 2001 running Cheetah.
cooljeanius
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I agree that the Cheetah interface was outdated, but they could have at least made it feel more OSX-like rather than more iOS-like.
Also they don't appear to have opened it up at all, so it looks like OpenRadar will still be necessary to see what bugs other people are posting...
Yeah, that's still my biggest issue. But I'm just happy they did anything at all with radar.
Mr. Wonderful
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You know, it would be completely an Apple move to include only the Intel Iris Pro GTe HD 5200 GPU in the new 15" Retina MacBook Pros and completely forgo dedicated graphics.
I would be fine with that since it would come with significant battery and heat improvements in high performance situations. Almost-650M like performance at 45W (instead of 90W) is fine by me.
Which hypothetical Haswell configuration do you think will be the one to get?
The ones with the Iris Pro 5200.
http://anandtech.com/show/7002/hit-the-road-jack-intels-mobile-quadcore-haswell-skus
Mr. Wonderful
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If Adobe is can add Mercury Playback Engine support, I might be on board. All the same, having less than 1GB of VRAM is going to hinder any pro app work, I would think.
edgefusion
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Why are people so obsessed with the weather?
The 650M in the 15" is overclocked with 1GB instead of 512MB of memory, it's noticeably faster than a stock 650M, which in turn will be noticeably faster faster than the Iris Pro 5200, especially in applications that make use of Nvidia's drivers. That's a pretty big drop in performance for your flagship product, I don't see Apple doing it this year...it's not like anyone's demanding better battery life.
The anandtech review compared the rMBP 650M to the Iris Pro 5200. The former fared better in the gaming benchmarks and the latter in the synthetics.
http://anandtech.com/print/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested
I think Anand's conclusion is spot on:
It wouldn't be the first time Apple opted for battery and thermals over raw performance in their notebook lineup. See: 320M -> HD 3000 in the 13" MBP.
He's a journalist though. His 'work' could already be done on a Macbook Air. When Apple unveiled the MBP with retina display they showcased it with games and apps like the Adobe Creative Suite. Apple's discontinued the 17" MBP and the 15" MBPr is their top of the line laptop now. "Good enough" doesn't cut it for many in the user demographic of the MBPr.
I guess Apple could remove the discrete GPU in the entry level model of the next 15" MBPr. But discarding the option entirely? No need.
Yeah, but the 13" MPB wasn't their performance flagship, it was their college/starbucks laptop. Intel still have work to do on the driver side (one of the reasons Apple ditched AMD) and the gap would be bigger with Haswell & 750M instead of IB & 650M. Discrete graphics are definitely on their way out for Apple, but I don't see it happening this cycle.
Yeah Pro Mac users have low expectations these days. There aren't even any interesting rumors any more. MBA with LTE? Fingerprint sensors on the rMBP (to replace the removed security locks)? Nope, only spec bumps...
Ok that got me; I laughed
sweetvar26
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Damn! So no new processors from Intel after Haswell until 2015?
Or is it Broadwell after Haswell?
Autumn Wind
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadwell_(microarchitecture)
Edit: Fixed link
In keeping with Intel's tick-tock principle, the 14 nm shrink of Haswell is due out the year after the introduction of the microarchitecture and will be codenamed Broadwell.[1][2] Broadwell will adopt the Multi-Chip Package (MCP) design. Broadwell should be widely available in, or around, June of 2014.
Edit: Fixed link
In keeping with Intel's tick-tock principle, the 14 nm shrink of Haswell is due out the year after the introduction of the microarchitecture and will be codenamed Broadwell.[1][2] Broadwell will adopt the Multi-Chip Package (MCP) design. Broadwell should be widely available in, or around, June of 2014.
sweetvar26
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Yeah that's what I thought.
Autumn Wind
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Pardon my earlier error as I pasted the link incorrectly even though Wikipedia redirects it to the right page.
I am hoping that Apple uses the good HQ processors as standard and not the ones with the HD 4600 graphics, specifically the 4702HQ and 4700HQ.
The Real Abed
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Why risk it? Just wait for Skymont.
Mingchi Kuo: Slimmer Retina Pros with Full HD cameras expected, MacBook Air to get dual-mic.
http://9to5mac.com/2013/06/02/wwdc-...microphone-improvements-expected/#more-273284
http://9to5mac.com/2013/06/02/wwdc-...microphone-improvements-expected/#more-273284
Even slimmer? Damn.
Mr. Wonderful
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Yup, and that is what I'm hoping for, as I think there would be market segment where an entry-level 15" MBPr with only an Iris Pro GPU would make sense.
Broadwell is going to be awesome. I hope to sell my current 2011 15" MBP for a 13" Retina MBP with an Iris Pro GPU and DDR4 in June next year.
You guys think we'll get a couple $100 off the Retina MBPs in price drops next week as the displays become cheaper and the non-Retina MBPs potentially get phased out?
Followup: Do you guys think this will be the refresh where the non-Retina MBPs are phased out, or do we have a couple more cycles of the old models sticking around?
I don't need slimmer, but lighter is always nicer. Apple's compromises for thinness can be irksome sometimes.
From the link above:
There's going to be some meltdowns if Apple discontinues the Mac Pro and freezes the models of the only user-upgradeable Macs left :/
Uh last year 'everyone' said Haswell was going to be awesome. That hasn't even arrived and the waiting for Broadwell has already begun. The CPU hypetrain never ends. Sandy Bridge has been good enough for my personal needs; I'd rather upgrade to 16GB of RAM than get a new processor. I assumed that by now I'd have the option for external graphics cards via thunderbolt connectors but still relying on Apple and using integrated graphics...
well, only the 13" model is included in that rumor and it's currently thicker then the 15" RMBP
The link is misleading, but who gives a shit about the 0.04 inches that separate the two.
The Iris Pro GPU costs as much as the faster Nvidia graphics, doesn't make sense as an entry option.
I could see the 15" getting phased out this cycle, but I believe too many dullards are still buying the regular 13" MPB...those people don't understand specs anyway, so it makes sense to freeze them.
My modest expectations:
1) IPS-Panels for the Airs, because buying a TN panel in the year 2013 makes you look like a real piece of shit in front of strangers & friends alike.
2) Iris Pro GPU turns the 13" rMPB into the greatest Notebook of all time, stock price skyrockets.
3) Holograms of Steve & Tupac appear on stage to call whoever let the Mac Pro & Thunderbolt display turn into a mockery of Apple's image a "punk bitch".
The Iris Pro GPU costs as much as the faster Nvidia graphics, doesn't make sense as an entry option.
I could see the 15" getting phased out this cycle, but I believe too many dullards are still buying the regular 13" MPB...those people don't understand specs anyway, so it makes sense to freeze them.
My modest expectations:
1) IPS-Panels for the Airs, because buying a TN panel in the year 2013 makes you look like a real piece of shit in front of strangers & friends alike.
2) Iris Pro GPU turns the 13" rMPB into the greatest Notebook of all time, stock price skyrockets.
3) Holograms of Steve & Tupac appear on stage to call whoever let the Mac Pro & Thunderbolt display turn into a mockery of Apple's image a "punk bitch".
The ones with the Iris Pro 5200.
http://anandtech.com/show/7002/hit-the-road-jack-intels-mobile-quadcore-haswell-skus
So the 15" RMBP is the one to get? I kind of wanted a 13" one.
If you want that gpu, yes. I'll never get a 15" one though--too big and heavy for me.
Mr. Wonderful
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And it is awesome, as was Ivy, as was Sandy, IMO. It's just for me that Broadwell is the generation where it's going to finally make sense for me to upgrade from my current 15" Sandy Bridge MBP with a 6490M.
Well, if the new models are going to be thinner and lighter...
HD4600 isn't going to be bad, though everyday performance is going to probably be appreciably smoother on the models with the Iris Pro.
I don't know why you'd go for Broadwell and not just wait for Skylake. The tocks are bigger than the ticks.
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