IRS Official in Charge During Tea Party scandal Now Runs ObamaCare Office.

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Metaphoreus said:
I'm not trying to prove it, BM. How are you missing that point? I'm trying to investigate it. The easiest way to investigate it is to ask others who have made assertions about the truth of the matter, because I assume that you and pigeon and Link wouldn't make the assertions in direct contradiction to what I said unless you had some reason to believe what you were saying was true.

For instance, I believed that what I said was true based on my own experience with conservatives. Of course, that's not very compelling evidence, which is why I decided I needed better evidence if I were to get to the truth. You don't have any, so I'll wait for one of the others to be helpful.

(BTW, if you guys don't have the evidence, I don't expect you to go out of your way to find it. I couldn't expect that from you if I'm not willing to do the same.)
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You made the first assertion here:

You can bet that if this had been revealed before the election, it would have encouraged more Tea Party types and conservatives to get out and vote against Obama, however little they liked Romney.
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I made a snide remark about that and you took offense. Shouldn't you be proving it to me and not the other way around? After you, you even said I could bet it. That's a very strong assertion.

What makes you think conservatives stayed home on election night, at least in states that matter. I won't deny that conservatives in places like California stayed home but the IRS scandal wouldn't have put Cali in play and their votes are irrelevant so we don't count those.

Why would conservatives in Ohio, Va, Fla, etc stayed home? Why wouldn't they have voted? And I find this even harder to believe considering turnout was up in the swing states.

I think the argument that Romney didn't turn out enough "conservatives" as a ridiculous proposition. They could have ran a broomstick and it would have turned them out just as much (arguably they did run out a broomstick, but neither here nor there).
 
It's a hypothetical situation. There's no evidence to show. I just think considering the current climate of the Republican Party, they were already going to vote against Obama just to vote against him. This IRS story wasn't going to be anyone's tipping point.
 
The Technomancer said:
Watching this unfold has been fascinating. Its a scandal yes. Its bad, yes, and it deserves to be investigated and dealt with. That said, as far as scandals go, its positivily tame.
Nobody died.
Billions of taxpayer dollars weren't wasted.
No-one was really hurt (unless you believe as a result of scrutiny a group that would have recieved the status did not, and I would love to read the details of that)

What I'm seeing so far is symptomatic of a media so desperate for anything to cover, any kind of scandel to grab attention, that something that is bad is being played up as something that is horrible.
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This is such a load of apologist bullshit. Even liberals are turning their backs on this clown. This country is in dire need of a third party.
 
Link said:
It's a hypothetical situation. There's no evidence to show. I just think considering the current climate of the Republican Party, they were already going to vote against Obama just to vote against him. This IRS story wasn't going to be anyone's tipping point.
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If he wants to argue some moderates would have switched sides, at least that's an argument that I would consider valid. I'd disagree, but the argument itself is at least possible.

I don't see how there were any conservatives that didn't vote in the election in swing states. Obviously it's not zero (people have emergencies and end up not voting, etc) but generally speaking pretty sure 99.99% of the ones that could turn out did.
 
ThisWreckage said:
This is such a load of apologist bullshit. Even liberals are turning their backs on this clown. This country is in dire need of a third party.
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Just had to add that edit in there and take it too far.

Is this a situation that needs to be (and has been) looked at? Yes, but this isn't some high-level scandal that is suddenly going to have liberals turning their back on the party.
 
Haven't really been following American politics but damn, is this Obama hate legit? People wanting him impeached? How is this different than any other modern president? So many scandals and affairs.
 
Madness said:
Haven't really been following American politics but damn, is this Obama hate legit? People wanting him impeached? How is this different than any other modern president? So many scandals and affairs.
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Welcome to the current Republican Party.
 
Black Mamba said:
Well, not so current. They did essentially try to impeach Clinton over getting a blowjob
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At least that was a legitimate scandal. We've got people getting up in arms over a Marine holding an umbrella and the first family taking a vacation. It's to the point where they're finding anything to complain about just because.
 
ThisWreckage said:
This is such a load of apologist bullshit. Even liberals are turning their backs on this clown. This country is in dire need of a third party.
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Obama is at 53% approval ratings essential unchanged since November. We already know republicans don't like him so that won't change so unless I'm mistaken liberals have NOT turned their backs on obama. Maybe in your scatter brained mind you think people have turned their backs on obama.
 
Madness said:
Haven't really been following American politics but damn, is this Obama hate legit? People wanting him impeached? How is this different than any other modern president? So many scandals and affairs.
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It's a mix of genuine troll, jokey troll, and people desparate to nail him on something. Anything.

If none of this sticks, next scandal will be incoming soon. Gotta wait for Boehner and Cornyn to deliver the talking points to the masses.
 
Madness said:
Haven't really been following American politics but damn, is this Obama hate legit? People wanting him impeached? How is this different than any other modern president? So many scandals and affairs.
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There is conservative talk radio in just about every market across the country and for everyone that has cable TV. Internet also of course.

About 5 million people are tuned into the hate and ignorance frequency but then they infect those around them.

Churches that preach things relevant to politics, a lot about abortion, is more common here I don't have a guesstimate on that number.

And a few diamonds in the rough, like JayDubya, who are driven by a warped lens of truth used on a document that is 200 years old.
 
ViperVisor said:
There is conservative talk radio in just about every market across the country and for everyone that has cable TV. Internet also of course.

About 5 million people are tuned into the hate and ignorance frequency but then they infect those around them.

Churches that preach things relevant to politics, a lot about abortion, is more common here I don't have a guesstimate on that number.

And a few diamonds in the rough, like JayDubya, who are driven by a warped lens of truth used on a document that is 200 years old.
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Churches shouldn't preach about things they believe in?

TV news is not like radio talk shows. Most TV stations lean towards Democrats.

Our constitution is a living document and is the greatest representation of western idealism. You should give it a bit more respect as you could be living in a society that does not celebrate freedom of speech and separation of church / state.
 
Obama and the IRS: The Smoking Gun?

According to the White House Visitors Log, provided here in searchable form by U.S. News and World Report, the president of the anti-Tea Party National Treasury Employees Union, Colleen Kelley, visited the White House at 12:30pm that Wednesday noon time of March 31st.

The White House lists the IRS union leader’s visit this way: Kelley, Colleen Potus 03/31/2010 12:30. In White House language, “POTUS” stands for “President of the United States.”

The very next day after her White House meeting with the President, according to the Treasury Department’s Inspector General’s Report, IRS employees — the same employees who belong to the NTEU — set to work in earnest targeting the Tea Party and conservative groups around America. The IG report wrote it up this way:

“April 1-2, 2010: The new Acting Manager, Technical Unit, suggested the need for a Sensitive Case Report on the Tea Party cases. The Determinations Unit Program Manager Agreed.”

In short: the very day after the president of the quite publicly anti-Tea Party labor union — the union for IRS employees — met with President Obama, the manager of the IRS “Determinations Unit Program agreed” to open a “Sensitive Case report on the Tea party cases.
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http://spectator.org/archives/2013/05/20/obama-and-the-irs-the-smoking

Last Thursday at the President’s press conference with the Turkish prime minister, Julianna Goldman of Bloomberg News asked the following question, bold print for emphasis:

“Mr. President, I want to ask you about the IRS. Can you assure the American people that nobody in the White House knew about the agency’s actions before your Counsel’s Office found out on April 22nd? And when they did find out, do you think that you should have learned about it before you learned about it from news reports as you said last Friday? And also, are you opposed to there being a special counsel appointed to lead the Justice Department investigation?”

The President’s response? (Again bold print emphasis.)

“But let me make sure that I answer your specific question. I can assure you that I certainly did not know anything about the IG report before the IG report had been leaked through the press.”

Take note: Goldman’s question was:

“Can you assure the American people that nobody in the White House knew about the agency’s actions before your Counsel’s Office found out on April 22nd?”

The President evaded by answering:

“I can assure you that I certainly did not know anything about the IG report…..”
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Karma Kramer said:
Did you even read the article?
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I just did and its full of false statements. NTEU does not decide anything for the IRS. They fight for things but that's it. What would you expect though? What kind if power does a union have that doesn't have the ability to strike? As you'd expect, not much.
 
Oh and in regards to NTEU being anti tea party. They fund any candidate that isn't anti federal employees. The tea party/republicans tend to be against federal employees. Particularly the IRS. Who do you think introduces legislation to fire federal employees if they have any tax debt and cannot pay it back immediately? Who do you think is behind the federal pay freeze we've experienced for the last 3 years? Who do think is behind federal budget cuts?

Hint: it's not the democrats.
 
Smoking Gun my ass, it's even reaching for the circumstantial evidence status. Dude visited Obama, therefore if dude did something, Obama surely ordered it.
 
commedieu said:
curious to get your read of the situation, In general...
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I've already given (and been jumped on for) my rather mild take on the situation. Yes, this is a scandal. No, it's not a huge one and I very seriously doubt obama was involved beyond learning of it after the fact and maybe keeping quiet about it until now.

I think the bigger scandal here is how in the hell did this FEDERAL EMPLOYEE rack up 100k in bonuses, haha
 
commedieu said:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...-party-targeting-now-runs-health-care-office/




Pctx...

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I'm going to fucking punch someone in the god damn whitehouse for the amount of shit they are pulling lately.

MOTHER FUCKS!
 
Enron said:
I've already given (and been jumped on for) my rather mild take on the situation. Yes, this is a scandal. No, it's not a huge one and I very seriously doubt obama was involved beyond learning of it after the fact and maybe keeping quiet about it until now.

I think the bigger scandal here is how in the hell did this FEDERAL EMPLOYEE rack up 100k in bonuses, haha
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Will backtrace... But that was about the summary I was curious about. I need to catchup, but was the 100k verified? This whole situation just has a few strange turns. It unfolds and then theres more. But no one really knows where to direct the anger at, yet... I just think it looks bad for anyone in the presidents seat at this point. Hiring Sarah Hall was a mistake, all things considered.


:D Heyyy PCTX!!
 
Dude Abides said:
Yes. Did you? Did you bother to find out anything about the NTEU?

I think you need to shoot a watermelon in your backyard to get to the bottom of this. How deep does it go?
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lol

Take note: Goldman’s question was:

“Can you assure the American people that nobody in the White House knew about the agency’s actions before your Counsel’s Office found out on April 22nd?”

The President evaded by answering:

“I can assure you that I certainly did not know anything about the IG report…..”
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Link said:
It's a hypothetical situation. There's no evidence to show. I just think considering the current climate of the Republican Party, they were already going to vote against Obama just to vote against him. This IRS story wasn't going to be anyone's tipping point.
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I don't know. Every election season we're all reminded of those "undecided voter" weirdos who inexplicably find themselves attracted/repulsed by both sides in equal measure. I don't get them either, but they're out there. Basically people who care more about voting than who they vote for.
 
Dude Abides said:
Why don't you tell us what you think this meeting shows?
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That there should be an investigation. I'm not assuming Obama knew or didn't, unlike some here. That's all.

Also if Republicans did it then it's cool for our government to not follow the constitution? (@ Salon article)

Who is ultimately responsible for the actions of the executive branch of the government?
 
Karma Kramer said:
So you are positive that Obama/WH did not know about this during their campaign season?
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No, but I have no reason to think he is lying.

How many more investigations do you want? As many as it takes to find something, perhaps blowjob-related? Do you want Darrell Issa to be able to review every e-mail ever sent to or from anyone in the White House?
 
Dude Abides said:
No, but I have no reason to think he is lying.

How many more investigations do you want? As many as it takes to find something, perhaps blowjob-related? Do you want Darrell Issa to be able to review every e-mail ever sent to or from anyone in the White House?
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I'm trying to remember (for myself...) the last time that a true statement was uttered from Obama in the past 6 months. Then again, I could go down the hyperbole "you believe everything you hear/read/people say..." et al but honestly there's no point with you Dude.
 
Deified Data said:
I don't know. Every election season we're all reminded of those "undecided voter" weirdos who inexplicably find themselves attracted/repulsed by both sides in equal measure. I don't get them either, but they're out there. Basically people who care more about voting than who they vote for.
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I'm convinced almost all of those people know who they are voting for and just don't want to say for one reason or another.
 
Link said:
I'm convinced almost all of those people know who they are voting for and just don't want to say for one reason or another.
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A lot of people don't care about politics on any level above "I'm gonna vote so I don't get harrasses by self-righteous people guilt-tripping me about not voting."
 
Pctx said:
I'm trying to remember (for myself...) the last time that a true statement was uttered from Obama in the past 6 months. Then again, I could go down the hyperbole "you believe everything you hear/read/people say..." et al but honestly there's no point with you Dude.
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Agreed. I find trying to discern whether your word salad contains an actual argument quite pointless.
 
dojokun said:
A lot of people don't care about politics on any level above "I'm gonna vote so I don't get harrasses by self-righteous people guilt-tripping me about not voting."
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And those people probably wouldn't even know about something like this IRS thing.
 
Pctx said:
I'm trying to remember (for myself...) the last time that a true statement was uttered from Obama in the past 6 months. Then again, I could go down the hyperbole "you believe everything you hear/read/people say..." et al but honestly there's no point with you Dude.
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You're not supposed to attack a person and all and discuss the issue, but really, dude?
 
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