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[Emwitus]

lol.

I think you can justify Duncan because dominant big > dominant perimeter player.

But this comparison will only bring out Kobe haters and lovers so its not worth discussing.

However, ill say this. Kobe and Duncan would have been the best compliment had they been on the same team. Not sure any 2 other players would have been paired better in the last 20 years

<= Yeah, i think you forgot a pair.And duncan was never shaq's level of dominance....more consistent yes, but never as dominant as shaq.

 

[Vic]

Don't worry. Jesus Miller will save us all

Miller's your savior? The dude busted a rib by shooting a 3!

 

[Syphon Filter]

 

[ph33nix]

Busting out all the stops for Game 3.

This is just one form

My final form will include other things

 

[Black Mamba]

Also easier to play defense when you have had two great big men in your career waiting to cover your mistakes.

It is much easier for bigs to play defense since the illegal d and hand check rule changes. Bigs are almost never on an island. Remember, prior to some defenses the guards weren't allowed to hedge down to a guy in the post with or without the ball.

Guards and wings can no longer touch someone outiside the paint too.

Of course all good defensive players are helped by good ones playing with then but it is far easier to be a big on defense today.

If zbo played bonner 15 years ago, zbo averages 40. Today; he's doubled without the ball which was illegal.

 

[I am Michael Bolton]

As individual players, Duncan doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Kobe. His rings and accolades are the only way he can be considered and he will falls short there too

Have to disagree with that. Kobe is amazing as is Duncan. Though by the time its all said and done LeBron will rank higher than both.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

ummmm Shaq and Kobe!??!?

Kobe with Duncan or KG would have lasted long-term since KG only cares about winning and Duncan isn't insane like Kobe or an asshole like Shaq. I think it's fair to say that Kobe with Duncan or KG would have been a better pair than Kobe and Shaq by a decent bit because it wouldn't have self-destructed.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

pretty amazing that magic did his with assists.

 

[theignoramus]

As individual players, Duncan doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Kobe. His rings and accolades are the only way he can be considered and he will falls short there too

lawd jesus make it stop

 

[Black Mamba]

Yeah, i think you forgot a pair. And duncan was never shaq's level of dominance....more consistent yes, but never as dominant as shaq.

I didnt say they'd be more dominant or even better. Shaq > Duncan so obviously Kobe-Shaq is better.

I said they'd be perfect compliments. Kobe and shaq's game didn't mesh well but they were so dominant it didnt matter. Same as lebron and wade.

Plus duncan a d Kobe never part ways.
Get it?

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Kobe with Duncan or KG would have lasted long-term since KG only cares about winning and Duncan isn't insane like Kobe or an asshole like Shaq.

Kobe and Duncan don't beat the Pistons.

 

[ph33nix]

Kobe with Duncan or KG would have lasted long-term since KG only cares about winning and Duncan isn't insane like Kobe or an asshole like Shaq.

I definitely wasn't considering long term, but when they were at their peak (the few weeks that Shaq gave a shit) I don't think any other pairing would have been better

 

[jjasper]

I guess having Zach and Prince play like complete shit is about equal to Parker playing beyond shit and Manu hurt in 2011. Sucks we are going down like this but FT misses and getting outplayed by 80 year old men in OTs has doomed us.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

If Wade could shoot maybe then he and LeBron could complement each others game

 

[CherryWoodFuton]

Miller's your savior? The dude busted a rib by shooting a 3!

He's always got some phoenix down in handy

 

[Ninja Scooter]

pretty amazing that magic did his with assists.

and in less games than Duncan and Shaq.

 

[ph33nix]

As individual players, Duncan doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Kobe. His rings and accolades are the only way he can be considered and he will falls short there too

oh my god

lmao

 

[Cloudy]

Have to disagree with that. Kobe is amazing as is Duncan. Though by the time its all said and done LeBron will rank higher than both.

LeBron is a great player but I don't think he will have the longevity of some of the older guys. We shall see. He'll get ring #2 this year tho

 

[thekad]

I don't know if Z-bo should really get a ton of blame for this series other than with his FT shooting; going against a Duncan/Splitter/Leonard frontline is incredibly rough.



I know

edit: Rudy Gay is not good, it's just that Prince wasn't the answer either. They need Dunleavy or Redick.

Jennings/Ellis/Gay holy shit

 

[Black Mamba]

I definitely wasn't considering long term, but when they were at their peak (the few weeks that Shaq gave a shit) I don't think any other pairing would have been better

Again, not arguing better. Just that Kobe and Duncan's game compliments each other perfectly. Prime Shaq overrules that, though, just like wade and lebron overrule other teams from pure talent.

 

[I am Michael Bolton]

and in less games than Duncan and Shaq.

And Russ and Wilt did their's when there was one less series AND the top two teams of each conference had a first round bye. Basically Russ and Wilt would routinely only have two series to win the chip.

 

[Cloudy]

I guess having Zach and Prince play like complete shit is about equal to Parker playing beyond shit and Manu hurt in 2011. Sucks we are going down like this but FT misses and getting outplayed by 80 year old men in OTs has doomed us.

Allen can't miss that last ft. He just can't

 

[jobber]

In the Duncan era, how many #1 draft picks have played with the Spurs?...

ready...GO

 

[I am Michael Bolton]

LeBron is a great player but I don't think he will have the longevity of some of the older guys. We shall see. He'll get ring #2 this year tho

Agreed. I'll gurantee that the Heat will win it this year. Will you do the same?

 

[Black Mamba]

Allen can't miss that last ft. He just can't

Zbo 7/16 fts last 2 games. He cost them the series.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

Agreed. I'll gurantee that the Heat will win it this year. Will you do the same?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Emwitus]

LeBron is a great player but I don't think he will have the longevity of some of the older guys. We shall see. He'll get ring #2 this year tho

Fuckball are destined to not have that and the meltdowns will be glorious

 

[Black Mamba]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Konex curse hasn't worked all playoffs. He's smoking from the same stash as zbo.

 

[Cloudy]

Agreed. I'll gurantee that the Heat will win it this year. Will you do the same?

Yes. They have the most talent, LeBron, HCA and the refs

 

[I am Michael Bolton]

Yes. They have the most talent, LeBron, HCA and the refs

My feelings too.

 

[Darkman M]

Zbo 7/16 fts last 2 games. He cost them the series.

Id like to see Marc not settle for so many fade away and turn around jumpers as well...... Spurs truly have exposed them for not having any type of perimeter offense, hats off.

 

[jjasper]

Zbo 7/16 fts last 2 games. He cost them the series.

Pretty much. It sucks since Zach has done so much for the franchise but these last 3 games he has been beyond terrible. If he had at least played ok we would be up 2-1. But he hasn't so now we are trying to avoid a sweep.


Him and Prince have been terrible this series. Some of it is defense on Zach but a lot of it is both of them just being bad.

 

[curlyfriski]

As individual players, Duncan doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Kobe. His rings and accolades are the only way he can be considered and he will falls short there too

Career PER:
Duncan 24.7
Kobe 23.4

Career Win Shares/48:
Duncan .213
Kobe .183

Career Win Shares:
184.2
173.3

And box-score metrics underrate great defenders like Duncan. And Duncan is older, so his rate stats like PER and WS/48 are higher despite being further into the downslope of his career than Kobe.

 

[Cloudy]

Zbo 7/16 fts last 2 games. He cost them the series.

He has been trash this series where he was actually doubled. Really hurts that they only have one legit 3pt shooter. OKC must feel like idiots letting him pound them lol

 

[Syphon Filter]

LeBron is a great player but I don't think he will have the longevity of some of the older guys. We shall see. He'll get ring #2 this year tho

lbj is too smart to not adjust as he gets older. he shall be fine.

 

[ph33nix]

LeBron is a great player but I don't think he will have the longevity of some of the older guys.

and what evidence do you have that the league's biggest freak of nature will break down early?

mike d'antoni doesn't fit heat culture

Konex curse hasn't worked all playoffs. He's smoking from the same stash as zbo.

lol don't you dare diss the quality of z-bo's stash

 

[Darkman M]

Career PER:
Duncan 24.7
Kobe 23.4

Career Win Shares/48:
Duncan .213
Kobe .183

Career Win Shares:
184.2
173.3

And box-score metrics underrate great defenders like Duncan. And Duncan is older, so his rate stats like PER and WS/48 are higher despite being further into the downslope of his career than Kobe.

Advanced Stats are stupid.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

and what evidence do you have that the league's biggest freak of nature will break down early?

kobe

 

[theignoramus]

Zbo 7/16 fts last 2 games. He cost them the series.

why is Zach being blamed. He gets a hard double and four limbs flying at his face every time he gets the ball. and I dont blame him for not passing out of a double with Prince/Allen on the floor. this shit's on Hollins rotations and far too late adjustments

 

[victreeb3l]

wonder if this is how grizz fans feel

 

[Cloudy]

Career PER:
Duncan 24.7
Kobe 23.4

Career Win Shares/48:
Duncan .213
Kobe .183

Career Win Shares:
184.2
173.3

And box-score metrics underrate great defenders like Duncan. And Duncan is older, so his rate stats like PER and WS/48 are higher despite being further into the downslope of his career than Kobe.

You can post all the bullshit stats you want. Duncan has never been as consistently great as Kobe. Shit, people were asking him to retire the last 2 seasons cos he looked so bad. Kobe has never had any dropoff and has been an elite player since he got meaningful minutes.

 

[Black Mamba]

Pretty much. It sucks since Zach has done so much for the franchise but these last 3 games he has been beyond terrible. If he had at least played ok we would be up 2-1. But he hasn't so now we are trying to avoid a sweep.


Him and Prince have been terrible this series. Some of it is defense on Zach but a lot of it is both of them just being bad.

Kobe was coming off the bench at 17. At least compare the years they were starting.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

wonder if this is how grizz fans feel

replace the ball with a dick and that's how knicks fans feel

You can post all the bullshit stats you want. Duncan has never been as consistently great as Kobe. Shit, people were asking him to retire the last 2 seasons cos he looked so bad. Kobe has never had any dropoff and has been an elite player since he got meaningful minutes.

lmao

 

[jobber]

Yes. They have the most talent, LeBron, HCA and the refs

Come on son

The Spurs bench almost beat them in Miami

If it wasn't for a lucky 3 from the Borasharaptor, Spurs would've won the 2nd game.

IF Miami makes it, it will be the most intriguing match up because the Spurs/Heat haven't played each other all season (DNPs) and just once last season.

Pop's got a plan!

 

[BatiGOOOOOOL]

lol

 

[Emwitus]

And box-score metrics underrate great defenders like Duncan. And Duncan is older, so his rate stats like PER and WS/48 are higher despite being further into the downslope of his career than Kobe.

Not really.

 

[jjasper]

why is Zach being blamed. He gets a hard double and four limbs flying at his face every time he gets the ball. and I dont blame him for not passing out of a double with Prince/Allen on the floor. this shit's on Hollins rotations and far too late adjustments

Because double teams aren't making him miss FTs.

 

[Black Mamba]

why is Zach being blamed. He gets a hard double and four limbs flying at his face every time he gets the ball. and I dont blame him for not passing out of a double with Prince/Allen on the floor. this shit's on Hollins rotations and far too late adjustments

Because he shoots 75% at the line and went 7/16. That's why. I don't give a fuck about his other stuff

 

[curlyfriski]

Advanced Stats are stupid.

Yeah that's why every front office that's any good makes extensive use of them.

 

[Emwitus]

Because double teams aren't making him miss FTs.

If you watched the lakers/spurs series you'd know exactly why your team wont win this series. Pops knows how to defend the post extremely well......especially with a non existent perimeter offense.