fatgamecat
Member
Hope for 60 fps.
Expect 30 fps.
That's been the story for gaming for a long time.
Expect 30 fps.
That's been the story for gaming for a long time.
DigitalFoundry: Hands-on with PS4 1080p 30fps...!!
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I'm more than little. Making this powerful hardware only to aim for 30FPS once again? I just don't see this as rational behavior.
Sure whatever floats your boat, still doesn't mean you're right.
As I only buy sparingly, and will probably only get Watch Dogs, the Witness and Infamous initially this doesn't bother me at all. I think you will see a major improvement in PS4 games up until launch, but some studios are simply better than others. The fact is that the AAA developers for PS3 haven't shown anything yet for the PS4.
MS has put ALL of their eggs in the XBone, as they have effectively abandoned the 360 for the past few years with the exception of Kinect. Turn 10 is their best developer, and Crytek always makes very pretty games that play like garbage. I will not buy it simply on principle, as I believe that MS is a poison on the game industry, but that is my choice.
I'm sure the XBone will have some good games, but the fact is that Sony has pretty much shown nothing from its "A" teams yet except Infamous. And I cannot afford the time to play anything that isn't AAA at this point in my life.
With the PS4 I have the option of no disc, but not required online. I have all the benefits you people are talking for, without Kinect and DRM pushed down my throat. And I could care less about the launch software - both systems will sell out every available unit by launch.
It just looks like the PS4 will have a lot more product to sell.
MS has put ALL of their eggs in the XBone, as they have effectively abandoned the 360 for the past few years with the exception of Kinect. Turn 10 is their best developer, and Crytek always makes very pretty games that play like garbage. I will not buy it simply on principle, as I believe that MS is a poison on the game industry, but that is my choice.
I'm sure the XBone will have some good games, but the fact is that Sony has pretty much shown nothing from its "A" teams yet except Infamous. And I cannot afford the time to play anything that isn't AAA at this point in my life.
With the PS4 I have the option of no disc, but not required online. I have all the benefits you people are talking for, without Kinect and DRM pushed down my throat. And I could care less about the launch software - both systems will sell out every available unit by launch.
It just looks like the PS4 will have a lot more product to sell.
la flama blanca
Banned
Ugh.
Uno Venova
Banned
There are so many more popular 30 FPS games that I don't think it's a factor in purchases for the masses.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I wouldn't say that yet, I think KZ looks better, even if Infamous has more stable framerate, but I agree it is crazy to the point that I find it hard to believe. I really didn't like how previous Infamous games looked *at all*.
I think it's you who's being... just a bit elitist here.
You are 30FPS fan I take it? I do get it. Cinematic experience and all that.
Gemüsepizza
Member
You did not understand the article at all, right? Again: We are talking about different games with different graphical fidelity. Come back when they are comparing the same game on both platforms and still report about problems on PS4 - after launch.
Looked really great. I think this will be my first racing game on PS4.
Yup and there's really nothing wrong with it. 60fps is preferred but 30 is great as well.
What shooters are more popular than CoD this gen?
Guys--please, please relax. This is the beginning of a generation; games are going to be relatively rough. The PS4 outmodes the XB1 by a significant factor--and just because Forza looks better than Driveclub and Killer Instinct is spraying quintillions of particles everywhere at 60Hz while PS4 game are not is not some reason for your hype to be killed. It will take time for developers to optimize what Sony has given them. Still worth getting at launch? To me, hell yes.
Seriously, take deep breaths and relax. It's going to be all right. Think, for example, of the Dark Sorceror demo--no gameplay, I know, but it was amazing.
Think also of The Last of Us and what world class coders can do with older hardware. The PS4 will be amazing--and the XB1 and WiiU will respectively have amazing releases, too.
Seriously, take deep breaths and relax. It's going to be all right. Think, for example, of the Dark Sorceror demo--no gameplay, I know, but it was amazing.
Think also of The Last of Us and what world class coders can do with older hardware. The PS4 will be amazing--and the XB1 and WiiU will respectively have amazing releases, too.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
Go play your games on it then and leave the adults to play their games at whatever FPS the developer locks it at.
The Janitor
Member
It is, I'm surprised he hasn't been banned yet when 80% of his posts are trolling lol. Here's another one
It sucks that some developers prioritise whiz-bang shadertastic nonsense over a stable framerate
It's definitely one of the reasons cod is so successful
ricardo_sousa11
Member
I honestly would prefer Killzone to run at 30fps. I like that "heavy" feel to it, contrary to COD games where I feel light as a feather.
Other games like driveclub obviously I'd want 60fps.
Other games like driveclub obviously I'd want 60fps.
PairOfFilthySocks
Member
Few arguments are so completely pointless and subjective as deciding which looks better: Mario Kart 8 or Driveclub
Well, to be fair, the E3 builds could've been from months ago. It's possible that these games have been further optimized since the E3 build was compiled.
That "heavy" feel doesn't have to be tied to framerate.
In fact, it should never be tied to it. You can have a "heavy"/"slower" feel and still run at 60fps+.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
sub-30fps, input lag...next-gen, ya'll
Keep ya'll GPUs upgraded
Keep ya'll GPUs upgraded
WRONG
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-xbox-one
There were only 3 games running 60 fps on Xbox one hardware on E3:
Forza 5
Killer Instinct
Fifa 14
All of them are 60 hz on current generation consoles anyway. Some extra gfx + rendering at 1080p is easy to accomplish for these games.
Clockwork5
Member
The thing is:
A) they are looking at Sony games for the most part, I would hope that 1st party studios would do a better job of optimizing titles for their own hardware because...
B) this is not some obscure architecture like the PS3, this system should be easy to dev for and...
C) with the "OMG 60% moar POWERZ", Sony games should be shitting on MS games at this point. They are not, far from it.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
I think it's way to early to draw any firm conclusions about these consoles and general development philosophies.
That said, depending on the game I'm fine with 30 FPS (although 60 is preferred). I'm even okay with 720p because I sit away from my TV (although again 1080p is preferred).
That said, depending on the game I'm fine with 30 FPS (although 60 is preferred). I'm even okay with 720p because I sit away from my TV (although again 1080p is preferred).
NullPointer
Member
This.
Judge the gameplay elements, to the extent the demo is representative, but not the performance.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
That's for BF4. Not all the demos. We know for example LocoCycle ran on PC hardware as well.
From the same article regarding Ryse:
edit - oops you were referring to BF4 only.
lovegames718
Banned
oh look super stardust was 1080P 60fps on ps3 but Uc2 was only 720p at 30fps so Star Dust is next gen and better lol
The Wiiu argument with Simple, cartoony Mario Kart being 1080p and 60fps and not some games on Ps4 is just hilarious given games like Kz SF and most other games on ps4 are way more taxing on hardware and are more relaistic and not kiddy!!! and are still 1080p
None of that Mario Kart talk on Wiiu changes the fact that in term of power Wiiu doesnt come close to true next gen consoles and Digital Foundry and others already stated that Wiiu was similar in power to current gen systems and ps4 was in a different league. You cant compare a Lamborghini to a Honda Civic. They both are cars but a big difference!!!!!!
No games at Wiiu launch were even 1080p and the very few they do have are simple, non complex games!
Stealth trolling is very conspicuous nevertheless!!!!!
The Wiiu argument with Simple, cartoony Mario Kart being 1080p and 60fps and not some games on Ps4 is just hilarious given games like Kz SF and most other games on ps4 are way more taxing on hardware and are more relaistic and not kiddy!!! and are still 1080p
None of that Mario Kart talk on Wiiu changes the fact that in term of power Wiiu doesnt come close to true next gen consoles and Digital Foundry and others already stated that Wiiu was similar in power to current gen systems and ps4 was in a different league. You cant compare a Lamborghini to a Honda Civic. They both are cars but a big difference!!!!!!
No games at Wiiu launch were even 1080p and the very few they do have are simple, non complex games!
Stealth trolling is very conspicuous nevertheless!!!!!
and here i thought Eurogramer said that some games were doing stuff never shown in games before, including high end pc's, and there was even mention of farcry 3.
or did I dream all that?
MWS Natural
Member
I don't get it, is a Gaming PC somehow not an option for the 60FPS whores?
Yeah I hope Housemarque will be able to unlock next generation with PS4 yet again.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Who would have thought that unfinished games run like unfinished games!
The OP was talking about BF4 there. I know some games ran on the actual hardware.
Ubisoft can put their engine (upgraded year by year) tweak a few things and run ACIV flawesly in xbone and ps4 in a blink (their upgrade for multithreaded renderer has been delayed too much until now). Programming for nextgen is easier, but Guerrilla have a lot of specific optimizations designed for a platform without relation with ps4. They can't reuse all their work. Obviously they can code a new killzone without problems and easier way than the killzone 2 for ps3, but the difference with ubisoft is the gap in that easier enviroment.
It abolutely normal at the start of the generation, first games are always raw oh wait your avatar lol never mind you just troll.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Was Killzone 2 unfinished?
I don't know what conference you watched but ACIV in Sony press conference wasn't what I call flawless.
dragonbane
Member
Of course it is going to stay close for third partys, there is no doubt about that. Maybe better performance here or a higher resolution there on PS4, but no dramatic differences. I expect first party to show off the difference in power in like 2-3 years down the line. Naughty Dog, Santa Monica and Quantic Dream are going to make the hardware shine.
Dark Sorcerer is already the most impressive thing I saw at E3 and since it is completely real time and only 50% of the features of the engine are implemented at the moment, whatever game they make out of this is going to be quite the looker.
I also expect the differences to get bigger once developers start to use the GPU more and more, since the one in the PS4 is undoubtedly more powerful than the XBox. This is especially a learning process for Sony's first party, since they have to go from CPU focus to GPU focus.
Felix Lighter
Member
I'm already spitting out the crow I ate.
We'll see how it goes at launch.
theignoramus
Member
those games arent finished, so yeah there is a fear/doubt/uncertainty vibe to that whole article, which benefits it, cause it will generate hits.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
No? I don't know how to answer that. KZ2 shipped and has been viewed though. No next gen games have shipped yet.
Better than most games on any platform look like a week ago. Same with performance.
There are some who discredit DF all the time saying they are unnecessary and then they release a piece on unfinished SW. Kind of disappointing.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Heheheh! I haven't got one down, I'm giving it a year or so post-release before making a decision between a half-decent PC or PS4. What, you think I'm made of money or summink?! XD
Also? Nice avatar.
I am confused.
dragonbane
Member
For what did you eat crow?
D
Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
Wasn't aware of that! I thought they had everything running on dev kits/PCs.
If that's true, then Killer Instinct's performance certainly bodes well for Xbox One games.
shinobi602
Member
You do know Guerilla does it on purpose right? that it's not that they're incapable of changing it?