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[Madness]

That's very true.

And I agree, the game doesn't have to be made easier to play for players of all skill levels to enjoy it.

I think that's why Halo 3 was so tolerable. Once you got above 40, you rarely played with people who would be terrible or do dumb stuff. Proper matchmaking, especially ranked just works.

Though in regards to skill gap, reading the thread on what made Call of Duty successful, almost everyone agreed it was their low skill gap, carrot on a stick progression and hand holding and feeling that they are doing great.

Let's be honest, the majority of people at 343 play like BK's. You have them openly championing camo and boltshots in hallways.

Halo 5 needs to be a game that is easy to play, but hard to master. Despite what people say, it was pretty tough to 3sk people with pistols all the time in CE. Plus the fast movement and strafe meant that you had better defensive chances to avoid dying as well.

 

[Booshka]

I think that's why Halo 3 was so tolerable. Once you got above 40, you rarely played with people who would be terrible or do dumb stuff. Proper matchmaking, especially ranked just works.

Though in regards to skill gap, reading the thread on what made Call of Duty successful, almost everyone agreed it was their low skill gap, carrot on a stick progression and hand holding and feeling that they are doing great.

Let's be honest, the majority of people at 343 play like BK's. You have them openly championing camo and boltshots in hallways.

Halo 5 needs to be a game that is easy to play, but hard to master. Despite what people say, it was pretty tough to 3sk people with pistols all the time in CE. Plus the fast movement and strafe meant that you had better defensive chances to avoid dying as well.

You don't have to be amazing at the game you are designing to be a good designer. Knowing what bad, average, good and pro level players will be able to do with the game mechanics you design is necessary though. Something the Halo franchise has had trouble with since Halo 2 apparently.

EDIT: Halo CE actually, Halo 2 only became decent 8 months after release with the major patch.

 

[The Real Napsta]

Need people for Gun Game, post here with your gamertag or msg Franklinaut if you want to join

Do you post on gbatemp?

 

[Franklinator]

Do you post on gbatemp?

Nope. I do go there every now and then, though, but I don't have an account. Does someone there have the same name or avatar as me?

 

[The Real Napsta]

Nope. I do go there every now and then, though, but I don't have an account. Does someone there have the same name or avatar as me?

Same avatar.

 

[Computron]

Same avatar.

what are the odds...


When is Halo 3 getting that player boost?

 

[User 73706]

Same avatar.

Serebii.net has virtually every Pokemon sprite in existence available as an avatar. Might have something to do with it.

 

[Orochinagis]

Yesterday matches were awesome, too bad the good ones were customs

Some modders should create "One in the Chamber" mode, swat with one bullet and you regain your bullet if you kill an enemy

Same avatar.

Huh is a normal portrait of Pokemon Dungeon....

 

[Tashi]

Was it 8 months? I thought it was about 4 or 5 months.

 

[Franklinator]

Serebii.net has virtually every Pokemon sprite in existence available as an avatar. Might have something to do with it.

Maybe, but like Orichinahis said, it's Charmander's picture for when he's speaking from Mystery Dungeon. Pretty weird that someone else is using it, I made it myself. Maybe I'll go back to the angry version.

 

[HiredN00bs]

This piece of satire reminded me of the EGM review of Halo 4:
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/movie-game-review.php

 

[Barrow Roll]

This piece of satire reminded me of the EGM review of Halo 4:
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/movie-game-review.php

Josh Holmes tweeted that same article.

 

[Tashi]

Thinking about doing an impromptu podcast...right now. Anyone wanna join in for a bit? I'd like to not get it started alone if I could do that haha

 

[User 73706]

Thinking about doing an impromptu podcast...right now. Anyone wanna join in for a bit? I'd like to not get it started alone if I could do that haha

DAMMIT TOSHI WHY NOW

I'm with extended family. Wait till tuesday night pls

 

[Gui_PT]

DAMMIT TOSHI WHY NOW

I'm with extended family. Wait till tuesday night pls

Bring da family

 

[Tashi]

DAMMIT TOSHI WHY NOW

I'm with extended family. Wait till tuesday night pls

lol now's pretty good for me, finally.

 

[heckfu]

something something tashi hgs

 

[User 73706]

Bring da family

Emcee Ling and the Wahrer Stories

lol now's pretty good for me, finally.

fak u toby

 

[RebornYeti]

Anything cool happen to Halo 4 yet? I've been out of the loop for a while.

 

[Dongs Macabre]

Anything cool happen to Halo 4 yet? I've been out of the loop for a while.

Have you seen the Turbo update? 343 made changes to the sandbox to balance it.

Oh, and modders made a bunch of gametypes, including Reach-style Infection, One-Flag, Neutral Flag, and Gun Game from Counter-Strike.

 

[PNut]

Anything cool happen to Halo 4 yet? I've been out of the loop for a while.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGII-A0a6QE&feature=youtu.be&a

 

[Ghazi]

I'd do it, but I'm just a babby.

 

[Tashi]

Podcast canceled. No one loves me

 

[gAg CruSh3r]

Podcast canceled. No one loves me

Jesus loves everyone including you ..

Maybe next time?

 

[Barrow Roll]

Podcast canceled. No one loves me

Oops, I totally forgot to get on, sorry! This heat has been fuckin with my head. I still <343 you.

 

[Tashi]

Oops, I totally forgot to get on, sorry! This heat has been fuckin with my head. I still <343 you.

Nah I think by the time you had been ready, I said fuck it anyway. I asked a few people on Skype but got no response. Sunday night's a big TV show night, totally forgot.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Podcast canceled. No one loves me

Get shit on

 

[Gui_PT]

Podcast canceled. No one loves me

'Bout time you realized

 

[Hey You]

Does anybody know when (time) the Halo 4 updates usually drop? Anyone know if it's already gone live?

 

[Fuchsdh]

Does anybody know when the Halo 4 updates usually drop? Anyone know if it's already gone live?

Monday. And it's up right now.

 

[Tashi]

Anyone play BTB Skirmish yet? What are people voting for most?

 

[squidhands]

Anyone play BTB Skirmish yet? What are people voting for most?

I'll bet my free version of Halo 3 that it's anything involving Settler, because it's the BTB equivalent of The Cage.

 

[Tashi]

I'll bet my free version of Halo 3 that it's anything involving Settler, because it's the BTB equivalent of The Cage.

Settler is muuuuch better than the cage. It definitely has its problems but the Cage is like an all time bad Halo map.

 

[Striker]

They're both terrible, and so is Relay.

 

[Risen]

I'll bet my free version of Halo 3 that it's anything involving Settler, because it's the BTB equivalent of The Cage.

I hear the hate from a ton of friends but I find it fun. I'd compare the way it plays as being a bit like Isolation in H3 (also one in which a ton of people complained and I enjoyed - those 65+ team assist games).

Sure they have their quirks, but I enjoy playing on both. I enjoy maps that have a natural power point to fight over and control, that really reward solid sets and team work, especially if there are equitable spawns with the same access to the control point.

It sure as shit isn't as bad as The Cage.

 

[Striker]

I hear the hate from a ton of friends but I find it fun. I'd compare the way it plays as being a bit like Isolation in H3 (also one in which a ton of people complained and I enjoyed - those 65+ team assist games).

Sure they have their quirks, but I enjoy playing on both. I enjoy maps that have a natural power point to fight over and control, that really reward solid sets and team work, especially if there are equitable spawns with the same access to the control point.

Better than both of those.

 

[Risen]

Better than both of those.

Colossus is definitely the style of map I was talking about...

but the commentary I was responding to wasn't "rank the Halo maps", it was the hate and comparison of Settler to The Cage.

They just aren't the same level of map design as demonstrated by the horrid flow in The Cage, the completely unbalanced initial spawns, the locking people into open hallways to traverse the map, the initial offering having only two ways to get from one side to the other, etc. etc.

 

[Bregmann Roche]

Settler is muuuuch better than the cage. It definitely has its problems but the Cage is like an all time bad Halo map.

It sure as shit isn't as bad as The Cage.

Another knock on The Cage as compared to Settler: The Cage plays poorly across all skill levels whereas Settler plays like a regular Halo map when the matchup is bad kids vs. bad kids. This comes down to the difference between generally crappy map design and unfair map design.

 

[squidhands]

Do you think Settler gets votes more (and it does in my experience) because it's easy to spawn-kill ( especially the cave side base) and camo-snipe, or because it offers a better variety in gameplay?

My snarky comment was more to the REASON people are picking the map (easy to exploit), rather than the game play being similar.

 

[Bregmann Roche]

Do you think Settler gets votes more (and it does in my experience) because it's easy to spawn-kill ( especially the cave side base) and camo-snipe, or because it offers a better variety in gameplay?

My snarky comment was more to the REASON people are picking the map (easy to exploit), rather than the game play being similar.

For the general Halo population, I think it boils down to simplicity. There is an easy-to-see big, dumb power weapon in the middle of the map for people to fight over. There are warhogs off spawn to dick around in. And there is an obvious strong point to try to take and hold (the rail gun spawn).

 

[Tashi]

Might be best to remove Railgun from up on the ledge. I'm not sure that that power position needs anymore reason for people to go up there. Worth testing out at least.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Might be best to remove Railgun from up on the ledge. I'm not sure that that power position needs anymore reason for people to go up there. Worth testing out at least.

Just fill the ledge with as many fusion coils as forge allows. At least then it's a death trap to go up there.

 

[User 73706]

Just fill the ledge with as many fusion coils as forge allows. At least then it's a death trap to go up there.

Add in some flying elephants and choppers, too.

 

[Risen]

Do you think Settler gets votes more (and it does in my experience) because it's easy to spawn-kill ( especially the cave side base) and camo-snipe, or because it offers a better variety in gameplay?

My snarky comment was more to the REASON people are picking the map (easy to exploit), rather than the game play being similar.

I think both you and Bregman are on to reasons people pick it... variety and simplicity both. I also think it offers Halo game play that many people enjoyed historically... static sets. H2 on most maps, was best played from a static set - you controlled points on the map as a team and movement was mostly to and from those spots in a constant attack/defend tug of war. In H3, Reach, and H4 maps increasingly reward moving as a team with constant aggression. After H2, spawns are forced until they move, and a team must move together to keep the other team on spawn after the base area moves. (general statement)

People that are not highly skilled have trouble with that, as do people that are locked into a play style and cannot change. I also think people love to just "dong" and hate getting "donged on", so you get very polar reactions to maps like Isolation and Settler. Those who play with groups who know what to do, set up, lock people down, and don't let the other team breathe... those who don't, have it done to them in unequal skill matches.

I definitely think there should not be a power weapon in power positions. The positions are all the incentive people need to be there. Power weapons should be elsewhere as an incentive for teams set in the power position to move, and as an option for folks on spawn to attack the power position if they gain control.

Take the rail gun off the hill and place something mid map, or place an opposing power weapon that makes sense in the building on the open side of the map. Better yet, move the rail gun off the ridge to the middle and place a snipe in each base on a static spawn.

 

[YourExWife]

place something mid map

Because an Incineration Cannon isn't enough motivation.

 

[Bregmann Roche]

Might be best to remove Railgun from up on the ledge. I'm not sure that that power position needs anymore reason for people to go up there. Worth testing out at least.

Take the rail gun off the hill and place something mid map, or place an opposing power weapon that makes sense in the building on the open side of the map. Better yet, move the rail gun off the ridge to the middle and place a snipe in each base on a static spawn.

As far as BTB is concerned, I think some work could be done on the shotgun spawn area. The shotgun itself is relatively useless on the map outside of CTF. I wouldn't mind testing a version that had rail gun at the shotgun spawn and static snipers at each base. Am I weird for liking the fact that the Incinerator doesn't spawn at the start?

 

[Risen]

Because an Incineration Cannon isn't enough motivation.

Is it in all varieties? At any rate... that's exactly what I'm talking about. That mid map, remove rail on ridge, place opposing snipes...

 

[Gr1mLock]

ive been away for a while. Is the carbine considered too strong yet?

 

[Dongs Macabre]

ive been away for a while. Is the carbine considered too strong yet?

It can be devestating in the hands of a skilled player in the new settings, so yeah.

 

[nillapuddin]

edit: sold to the one they call Franklinaut