Depends on the context.
Nintendo of America not allowing SSBM to be streamed at EVO [Up: Decision Reversed]
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Depends on the context.
As has been pointed out already, those were many years ago and before Evo was livestreamed, which is the key difference here (Nintendo isn't saying they can't run the tourney, it just can't be livestreamed). Apex is tiny in comparison to Evo and I honestly doubt they even knew it existed.
Last I remember, Disaster had a couple of "fuck". Oh right, the game never came out in the US :lol
This is NoA being NoA.
Starfish Hero
Member
Has it been streamed at Evo? That's where the issue lies.
Did APEX get their permission or something? I really don't see why EVO wouldn't be allowed to stream it.
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
I think it's more comparable than you think considering how much negative press it took for Microsoft to start implementing changes. However, overall I do agree with you in that Nintendo is far more stubborn on changing up the status quo.
I'm pretty sure it means exactly that.
I can pull out a list of your Nintendo bashing posts from other threads...
Also none of my posts are too defending, I don't know much about Evo and I am concerned about it. I'm no fanboy warrior like you.
People bashing Sakurai for no reason is definitely wrong. He is overworked already, why would he give a shit about the streaming of a tournament?
This is Noa you have to blame, not Sakurai.
Wishmaster92
Member
Or it could go with the "nintendo is out of touch" claim and they never knew smash was at evo until now.
BronsonLee
Member
In all seriousness, NoA's streak of being the worst Nintendo continues forevermore
I expect Sod's Law to happen to Nintendo soon enough. They'll end up finally fixing a lot of their medieval ways only for people to just hand wave it away and completely dismiss their achievement.
For me, personally, this is the deep rooted problem...
Yoshihiro Mori, 68
Masaharu Matsumoto, 71
Eiichi Suzuki, 63
Shigeru Miyamoto, 61
Genyo Takeda, 64
Nobuo Nagai, 68
Kaoru Takemura, 67
Tatsumi Kimishima, 63
Shinji Hatano, 71
...a talented band of merry old men with their medieval "We must reinvent the wheel" ways.
Delusibeta
Banned
Yeah, I think that's a fair statement.
Starfish Hero
Member
Probably. I guessing Evo didn't get all the right paperwork in, and that's why Nintendo stopped it. I don't see why they would favor one tourney over another.
It's a shame it's taking more people this long to figure that out. I remember an interview made around 2005-2006 when asked about their feelings on MMOs and online gaming in general the rep flat out said they don't understand how MMOs are viable and Nintendo will take a careful approach to developing an online gaming infrastructure.
Sure they guy could've been talking MMO development was half baked but the way his comments were quoted left the impression Nintendo don't understand online communities.
Unbelievably short-sighted and stupid, even by Nintendo standards.
I actually tried to make some calls to Nintendo today to see if I could convince anyone to change their stance on this, but the one guy I was able to get ahold of basically said "I get what you're saying, but this is legal's call."
Don't blame Reggie or anyone, blame Nintendo of Japan. I think the entirety of NoA understand how bad this is, but until they can convince NoJ nothing will change.
I actually tried to make some calls to Nintendo today to see if I could convince anyone to change their stance on this, but the one guy I was able to get ahold of basically said "I get what you're saying, but this is legal's call."
Don't blame Reggie or anyone, blame Nintendo of Japan. I think the entirety of NoA understand how bad this is, but until they can convince NoJ nothing will change.
call_kotaku
Member
Somebody call Ultradavid
PreyingShark
Member
Out of curiosity, is that the board of directors? If so then the "new blood" can't come sooner. ><;
Silent_Ocarina
Member
Miiverse is a bit toxic at the moment. There are lots of people criticizing, but there are also a fair an alarming number of people going to ridiculous lengths to defend the decision.
Starfish Hero
Member
I'm going to have to amend my claim, since Nintendo doesn't appear to care if Smash is there or not. They probably didn't know about the stream until now.
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
i'm not sure i agree that nintendo's disregard for online stuff is at the core of their reluctance here. the way i see it, evo is kind of like a another game tradeshow that they've elected to skip out on, except all the work was being done for them for free. which is their lose, fine, what really bothers me though is finding your brand image so important (if that really is the reason they're not allowing the stream) that you'll shortchange cancer donators and hardcore nintendo fans from enjoying a nintendo game in a competitive setting for just one goddamn weekend.
i have a hard time believing this is brand issue either though. i mean, are soccer moms going to stop buying their kids nintendo things because smash was showcased at evo? heeelllll noooo. even if they're just trying to maintain consistency, it's still fucked up.
SloaneRisette
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Too bad Ace Attorney is digital... can't get Phoenix Wright on our side ;_;
Really hope things can be turned around though... even though there's not much time.
In terms of the upper powers and brass at Nintendo, damn that puts some things into perspective.
Barrel Cannon
Member
Shoot first ask questions later, too many things that can go wrong with that attitude unfortunately.
Baleoce
Member
Nailed it.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
That is exactly what you're doing. You're shifting the blame pretty hard.
Immortal Technique
Member
One of those decisions so fantastically stupid that I thought the headline must be a prank, or I was misinterpreting it.
Refreshment.01
Member
Why are people up in arms here?, remember you can stream videos through Miiverse.
You got me intereted here, what argumentt was that? XD
yo click this link if you like SSBM and good developers and shit like that http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=69245026#post69245026
PreyingShark
Member
Ah, so we can blame the lawyers? I love blaming lawyers!
Anyone got any good lawyer jokes?
This isn't even a bad move. Or a lack of opportunity for a good move.
Just completely random and the symptom of a longstanding paranoia (about what exactly, I'm not sure).
Why the fuck, Nontendo, would you forbid fans to broadcast a tournament of one of your games, which is like 10 years old anyway, for other fans to enjoy watching quality gameplay of one of your major franchise.
Letting people do that won't harm you in any way. It won't prevent people buying the next Smash. Not only this, but forbidding it will just result in your fans being pissed off. And that's not what you wanna do right now.
I don't get them. They've been so clinically illogical and backwards lately, it's like they just want to go seppuku or something.
Just completely random and the symptom of a longstanding paranoia (about what exactly, I'm not sure).
Why the fuck, Nontendo, would you forbid fans to broadcast a tournament of one of your games, which is like 10 years old anyway, for other fans to enjoy watching quality gameplay of one of your major franchise.
Letting people do that won't harm you in any way. It won't prevent people buying the next Smash. Not only this, but forbidding it will just result in your fans being pissed off. And that's not what you wanna do right now.
I don't get them. They've been so clinically illogical and backwards lately, it's like they just want to go seppuku or something.
In the end, things like this almost always seems to be the fault of the corporate headquarter in Japan for many of the big multi-national game companies.
I will now pretend this was actually an order sent down by Sakurai himself so I can imagine him twirling a fake mustache evilly.
Isn't this a bit of a leap? The money still goes to charity regardless of whether Smash is streamed or not, right?
Miiverse is a bit toxic at the moment. There are lots of people criticizing, but there are alsoa fairan alarming number of people going to ridiculous lengths to defend the decision.
Well how can you refuse with such well spoken and expressed dialogue.
Such time and effort went into it, you can not help but be taken aback by the sincere belief.
Somewhere at this very moment, the great pumpkin has a raging hard on at such a display of sincerity and this year in a pumpkin patch that young Hector will be getting a prize.
Can't believe how bone-headed Nintendo is. Come on, you're trying to appeal to the hard-core again, this is not how you do it.
Still, why didn't the event runners contact them to clarify things? I think they should have expected this after Nintendo went after those "lets play" videos on youtube.
Still, why didn't the event runners contact them to clarify things? I think they should have expected this after Nintendo went after those "lets play" videos on youtube.
You don't think it's totally fair to have clarification from the TO's on this? It's shitty from Nintendo either way, but this is something that could have potentially happened months ago, not 3 days beforehand. It's also entirely possible that they did get the okay, then that changed, we have no idea which is my point. But if I had hundreds of dollars spent and time off work booked to fly out to play this I'd want an answer to that, I think that's beyond fair expectations.
What's the relevancy here?
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
this is probably right.
Karsticles
Member
Thank you for trying.