Nintendo of America not allowing SSBM to be streamed at EVO [Up: Decision Reversed]

Haunted

Haunted

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Chie Satonaka said:
I disagree. The entire Smash fanbase isn't that way. This isn't even addressing my question.

I'm speculating that Nintendo doesn't want the Smash brand to be associated with the possible (likely) shenanigans of Evolution, which isn't an unreasonable position to take. The vast majority of people who play this game aren't playing it in a setting like this.
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Unbelievable that you're attempting to defend this. This is extremely fucking unreasonable. Just look at the fan reaction. Look how bad it makes Nintendo look compared to the other Japanese(!) companies that are there and have no problems with supporting the efforts of their fans. Because that's what this all amounts to.

I also think you're overestimating Nintendo's awareness of the whole issue. Nintendo is a lumbering giant with many cogs working, often against each other. This is most likely in the wake of them trying to shut down every LP and YT channel reproducing their content on a general order from some of their over-70, retirement-age Japanese execs who can't possible grasp the consequences of their reactionary decisions.

Chie Satonaka said:
Further, if they were doing what you're suggesting, they'd cancel the entire tournament all together, wouldn't they? They just don't want it streamed.
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wtf are you even on about.

They have no legal grounds to prevent people from fucking playing their game. Contrary to their current behaviour, Nintendo does not have the powers of a fascist dictator when it comes to their games - however, what they can do is shit all over their fans and prevent a their fans from streaming the game because EVO makes some money off the stream and Melee.

Wallach said:
Isn't what way? Those are the most dedicated, passionate fans they have. They're saying that they don't want to be associated with them to the extent that they're using legal force to prevent them from streaming what they came together to raise $100,000 to pull off.
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It's fucking disgusting, that's what it is.
 
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Jintor

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Chie Satonaka said:
I'm speculating that Nintendo doesn't want the Smash brand to be associated with the possible (likely) shenanigans of Evolution, which isn't an unreasonable position to take.
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Well, they didn't have to go the full Karth and endorse it. But the de facto 'We'll not enforce our rights' was fine. Any shennanigans would be contained in an 'Unofficial' setting and would not have backsplashed onto Nintendo. It was a different matter on the SFxT streams where Capcom was putting up the prize money and organising the whole show. But they could have characterised it as a 'fan thing' and let them go on their way.

That said, you're very likely correct that it was a consideration (although I'm thinking their crackdown on streaming rights is the more likely contender - otherwise why let the game even be at EVO in the first place?) but it's a fucking stupid-ass decision. You can't control the way people consume your content anymore, and if you try to, they'll rebel.
 
NeonZ

NeonZ

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Some sacrifices are needed for progress to be made. Is not like talented individual like Sakurai won't:

-Find place in any other company.
-Have the chance to make another proyect within the same company even, if sales for the next Smash game don't meet the goals. Is not a cash cow that one renounces so easily.
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I don't think that really works. Look at Capcom. Resident Evil 4 and Umbrella Chronicles sold well, but that didn't translate into a real new RE for the Wii, just UC 2. And after UC 2 failed it just meant no more Resident Evils for the Wii. Little interest in another Darkstalkers rerelease with less content than previous ones seemed to have meant that the franchise wasn't worth reviving.

With Nintendo itself, Metroid Other M failing seems to have removed both Sakamoto and the Metroid franchise itself from Nintendo's active list. Franchises like Advance Wars and F-Zero also disappeared after a few games didn't have satisfactory performance, in spite of other obvious problems. Fire Emblem itself was near cut line recently.

Bad performances usually cut entire branches, not only the few bad leaves.
 
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Darryl

Banned
Bitmap Frogs said:
Nintendo doesn't give a crap about EVO and the hardcoerez.

As far as they are concerned, the Wii's expanded audience is still their target and what they are chasing.

The sooner you people understand Nintendo is the Wii Fit company, the better. They believe tournaments, unified account systems, extensive social network integration, etc... they are just the follies of the "gamers" - a market they are not interested on anymore as a primary target.

Whenever you think Nintendo, think your mom, your grandpa, your 4 year old niece - because that is what they think about.
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this isn't even close to being an accurate characterization of nintendo. they run their own tournaments with pokemon. taking Smash out of EVO is a very un-Nintendo thing to do, usually they let fans do whatever they want with their stuff.
 
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Zombie James

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Is this legit?
 
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PKrockin

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Haunted said:
Unbelievable that you're attempting to defend this. This is extremely fucking unreasonable. Just look at the fan reaction. Look how bad it makes Nintendo look compared to the other Japanese(!) companies that are there and have no problems with supporting the efforts of their fans. Because that's what this all amounts to.

I also think you're overestimating Nintendo's awareness of the whole issue. Nintendo is a lumbering giant with many cogs working, often against each other. This is most likely in the wake of them trying to shut down every LP and YT channel reproducing their content on a general order from some of their over-70, retirement-age Japanese execs who can't possible grasp the consequences of their reactionary decisions.

wtf are you even on about.
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Pretty sure they were just preventing people from monetizing their LPs, redirecting ad revenue they earned to Nintendo.
 
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Chie Satonaka

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Wallach said:
Isn't what way? Those are the most dedicated, passionate fans they have. They're saying that they don't want to be associated with them to the extent that they're using legal force to prevent them from streaming what they came together to raise $100,000 to pull off.
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You seem to be making this into a personal issue. I'm not saying you're taking it personally, but it seems you turned my question into "Nintendo hates it's fanbase."

The quoted opens up an entirely different can of worms, but my speculation never asserted that. I'm saying I can understand why a more family oriented company wouldn't want one of their big brand names to be associated with Evolution.

With that said, someone above made a very good point about MLG, and I've changed my position. I want to know more about the situation before I start throwing stones.
 
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kick51

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Anth0ny said:
Evo commentary is 100% PG

There is no excuse. None.
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Tell that to this poor guy who saw 10 whole embarrassing things:

Chie Satonaka said:
This is EXACTLY why I think they're doing this. I've been watching Evo directly for the past three years, and every year, I hear or see at least 10 embarassing things that make me shake my head.

While this isn't a popular decision, I can understand why it's being done. The FGC isn't family friendly, and Nintendo doesn't want one of their babies associated with it. Why so much venom?
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TEN U.S. EMBARRASSING THINGS
 
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Team Filler

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As a longtime Nintendo fan (sometimes even to a fault), they really are trying their best to push me away from supporting them. You'd think somebody at Nintendo would be freaking the fuck out and trying to explain how bad an idea it is to institute practices that would only further alienate their dwindling core fanbase.
 
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Mesoian

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Zombie James said:
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Is this legit?
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LOL no.

But yeah, you can't defend this, this is Nintendo being out of touch with the gaming community en-masse. They single handedly destroyed the biggest source of free promotion they'll get from an outside source for the rest of the year, for literally no reason.

Good job Nintendo.
 
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Box

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HK-47 said:
They laugh because there is little chance this will change. Nintendo isnt exactly a known for their community outreach or support. All you can do is spam twitter and facebook.

And frankly, Nintendo deserves to be laughed at. Its just the latest in a string of stupid decisions regarding their fanbase.
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I think it's more disgusting than the decision itself that there is such cynicism about it. GAF can be very constructive when it wants to be and they've tried when the odds were tougher. I think it's worth trying. In some ways all it takes is having a little faith that Nintendo might not be incompetent, but that's too much for people who have invested so much in other GAF threads into the position that Nintendo is hopeless.

The interpretation and result is changed based on what you expect it to be. Just like expecting the worst in someone will bring out the worst in them. If you expect that you will fail you certainly will. And that's how you make Nintendo incompetent by believing them to be.

Besides, most of the reason people are so cynical is because they keep bringing out the worst in everything they expect will go wrong. It's amazing how much one's perspective changes by what one expects going into it. Your example of the string of stupid decisions can be interpreted many ways. You are responsible for the consequences of the conclusions you choose to draw from them. And one of the consequences of believing that Nintendo won't listen is that you won't try.

In short, you don't have to be a cynic, even about this.

Now I know I've made a big post and it might inspire a response, but since this thread is moving really quickly and since I think I've said everything I was going to say, I'm probably not going to be up for much of a conversation beyond this. If it's a real problem, then PM me.
 
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Biker19

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Beast Legacy said:
Man, I feel for the Smash guys as this is just shortsighted and foolish for Nintendo to do.

Really makes me appreciate Atlus, NRS, Capcom, Namco, Lab Zero and others who realize that stuff like Evo is important not only for their games' short term promotion and advertisement period focused solely on selling, it's about building a community that cares about sticking around and sticking together because they enjoy the games they create.
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I agree with you.

It's just hard to believe that this is the same company that has made such greats like "Super Mario Bros. 3," "The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past," "Super Metroid," "Donkey Kong Country 1 & 2," "Yoshi's Island," "Super Mario 64," "Ocarina of Time," & "Super Smash Bros. Melee."
 
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Wallach

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Chie Satonaka said:
You seem to be making this into a personal issue. I'm not saying you're taking it personally, but it seems you turned my question into "Nintendo hates it's fanbase."

The quoted opens up an entirely different can of worms, but my speculation never asserted that. I'm saying I can understand why a more family oriented company wouldn't want one of their big brand names to be associated with Evolution.

With that said, someone above made a very good point about MLG, and I've changed my position. I want to know more about the situation before I start throwing stones.
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What I'm saying is that they prefer the idea of what they wished they had from their Smash base to their actual Smash base. This is what their fans want; they wanted it so bad they raised a ridiculous sum of money to achieve it. You asked why people reacted so strongly, and it's because this is open admission that they don't have Nintendo's support. They absolutely should be pissed off.
 
Haunted

Haunted

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PKrockin said:
Really, you're surprised? The only people who own Wii Us at this point are hardcore Nintendo fanboys.
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Hey now, I love my Monster Hunter box!

That said, the only people posting on fucking Miiverse are kids for whom the WiiU is their first console and they're not allowed on the real internet yet and said hardcore Nintendo fans, agreed. :p
 
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Mesoian

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Box said:
I think it's more disgusting than the decision itself that there is such cynicism about it. GAF can be very constructive when it wants to be and they've tried when the odds were tougher. I think it's worth trying. In some ways all it takes is having a little faith that Nintendo might not be incompetent, but that's too much for people who have invested so much in other GAF threads into the position that Nintendo is hopeless.

The interpretation and result is changed based on what you expect it to be. Just like expecting the worst in someone will bring out the worst in them. If you expect that you will fail you certainly will. And that's how you make Nintendo incompetent by believing them to be.

Besides, most of the reason people are so cynical is because they keep bringing out the worst in everything they expect will go wrong. It's amazing how much one's perspective changes by what one expects going into it. Your example of the string of stupid decisions can be interpreted many ways. You are responsible for the consequences of the conclusions you choose to draw from them. And one of the consequences of believing that Nintendo won't listen is that you won't try.

In short, you don't have to be a cynic, even about this.

Now I know I've made a big post and it might inspire a response, but since this thread is moving really quickly and since I think I've said everything I was going to say, I'm probably not going to be up for much of a conversation beyond this. If it's a real problem, then PM me.
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I mean, you're right. Nintendo and their "while they're doing that, we're doing this" attitude has painted them into a corner since the Gamecube days. Now I'm not saying that they haven't made great games for their systems, but they clearly aren't paying attention to where gaming, as a whole, is headed. The fact that they still don't have unified storefronts for downloadable content is pretty evident of this. And now they're actively attacking the most hardcore fans of their own games because....who the hell knows. It's stupid, it's bad business, and most of all, it gives the impression to the gaming community, who they are 100% reliant on right now with the current status of the WiiU, that they don't care about them.

It's fucking dumb, and to pull this 3 days before the tournament when they knew full well for MONTHS that this was going to happen is shitty.
 
Fermbiz

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Wasn't there an issue not to long ago with Nintendo and videos posted on YouTube? Maybe this has something to do along the lines of that?
 
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Darryl said:
this isn't even close to being an accurate characterization of nintendo. they run their own tournaments with pokemon. taking Smash out of EVO is a very un-Nintendo thing to do, usually they let fans do whatever they want with their stuff.
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Pokemon is the sole exception though and they could be doing so much more with it. The streams I saw of their world championships were nigh unwatchable poverty streams. The games themselves could cater towards this scene a lot more too, although admittedly they have finally been making some strides forward with that.
 
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Chie Satonaka

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Wallach said:
What I'm saying is that they prefer the idea of what they wished they had from their Smash base to their actual Smash base. This is what their fans want; they wanted it so bad they raised a ridiculous sum of money to achieve it. You asked why people reacted so strongly, and it's because this is open admission that they don't have Nintendo's support. They absolutely should be pissed off.
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This is certainly what a percentage of the Smash fanbase wants, yes. And that's a fair point as well. As I said, after hearing about the MLG thing, that changes the situation for me. I'm not going to say it's shortsighted, but I will say that it gives more weight to the idea of them being curmudgeons.

I hope we get more information about the whole thing.
 
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Duress

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What the hell? Right when Evo starts? They couldn't of, I don't know, tried to say this several months ago? The fact they raised the most money for breast cancer is the cherry topping to this fiasco.
 
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Azure J

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Amir0x said:
I can! That's pretty much the sum total of 90% of Miiverse posts: fanboy vomit.
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You would think a vehicle to actually slap some sense into the heart of Nintendo (or as close to it as possible thinking about how Iwata and company have mentioned Miiverse drives leading to things) would actually be used accordingly instead of to glorify the all seeing/never wrong Nintendo man...
 
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Shalashaska161

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Nintendo can be so damn dumb sometimes.

IMGF said:
The best and most effective way of getting them to make changes is to stop buying their products. I mean, I know it sounds impossible to actually make a difference, but if MS reacted to just the backlash of the Xbox One disaster, I think Nintendo would probably do the same with less motivation.
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No ones buying the Wii U already so that's step 1!
 
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IMGF

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Mesoian said:
I mean, you're right. Nintendo and their "while they're doing that, we're doing this" attitude has painted them into a corner since the Gamecube days. Now I'm not saying that they haven't made great games for their systems, but they clearly aren't paying attention to where gaming, as a whole, is headed. The fact that they still don't have unified storefronts for downloadable content is pretty evident of this. And now they're actively attacking the most hardcore fans of their own games because....who the hell knows. It's stupid, it's bad business, and most of all, it gives the impression to the gaming community, who they are 100% reliant on right now with the current status of the WiiU, that they don't care about them.

It's fucking dumb, and to pull this 3 days before the tournament when they knew full well for MONTHS that this was going to happen is shitty.
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The best and most effective way of getting them to make changes is to stop buying their products. I mean, I know it sounds impossible to actually make a difference, but if MS reacted to just the backlash of the Xbox One disaster, I think Nintendo would probably do the same with less motivation.
 
Bitmap Frogs

Bitmap Frogs

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Karsticles said:
How do you explain Bayonetta, then?

Nintendo might be out of touch, and might make a lot of dumb decisions, but I do not think your characterization is accurate.
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That and X are just small blips. Everything else is heading the other way. Look at the game they bundle with the system. Look at both Marios on the Wii U. Those are the big moves.
 
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